Obama Dictator: Very, Very Important!!!
think!

Saint Albans, WV

#21 Jan 30, 2013
The Master wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not making anything up. Open your eyes, man. I'm not talking about making it harder for unstable people to buy guns. I'm not here to give lessons on how to read/watch the news. Good grief, check out everything that is happening--don't just dismiss things out of hand because you don't want to believe them. Why do you think the gov. bought billions of rounds of ammunition and are now moving the ammo piecemeal to major cities in the US? Why do you think the "president" passed out the questionnairres that I mentioned earlier? These events are facts and can be checked on and varified.
Applause !!!
Ned Ryerson

Syracuse, OH

#22 Jan 30, 2013
Just so everyone knows, like many of The Masters claims, these things are NOT checked and verified. This business of a litmus test being asked to generals about shooting Americans is being purported by a very conservative doctor and his 'unnamed source' within the military. There is no evidence for this other than one mans claims. Were it such a huge undertaking, and being that it apparently is a giant conspiracy of some form, I'd feel that many more people would have to come out and state that this 'test' was their experience before I even consider it 'verified'.

This ammunition thing he refers to is the DHS purchasing 1.2 billion rounds in 2012. This purchase happened before the election. So even if Mitt was president, it still went down. The DHS provide ammunition for the Coast Guard, Secret Service, ICE, Border Patrol and Customs, and the Federal Law Enforcement training center.

Ammunition has a shelf life, this isn't a stockpile, this is mostly going to training. Any cop, soldier, or armed federal official will tell you they have to fire a LOT of ammunition to stay certified.

Not exactly the cut and dry dictatorship described above.
The Master

Point Pleasant, WV

#23 Jan 30, 2013
[QUOTE who="think!"]<quo ted text>
Most of the country didn't know those things under G.Bush. He didn't have the media in his pocket, or Hollywood preaching his praise. You have a good point, but it shouldn't be about left or right, Dem. or Reb. It should be about intelligence and knowing that if anyone is trying to infringe on any of our rights its not because they seek to help us.
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It's gone way beyond gun rights.
The Master

Point Pleasant, WV

#24 Jan 30, 2013
Ned Ryerson wrote:
Just so everyone knows, like many of The Masters claims, these things are NOT checked and verified. This business of a litmus test being asked to generals about shooting Americans is being purported by a very conservative doctor and his 'unnamed source' within the military. There is no evidence for this other than one mans claims. Were it such a huge undertaking, and being that it apparently is a giant conspiracy of some form, I'd feel that many more people would have to come out and state that this 'test' was their experience before I even consider it 'verified'.
This ammunition thing he refers to is the DHS purchasing 1.2 billion rounds in 2012. This purchase happened before the election. So even if Mitt was president, it still went down. The DHS provide ammunition for the Coast Guard, Secret Service, ICE, Border Patrol and Customs, and the Federal Law Enforcement training center.
Ammunition has a shelf life, this isn't a stockpile, this is mostly going to training. Any cop, soldier, or armed federal official will tell you they have to fire a LOT of ammunition to stay certified.
Not exactly the cut and dry dictatorship described above.
To begin with, ammo when properly stored has a shelf life of at least 20 years; in fact, some of the ammunition from WWII is still viable. The "ammunition thing" I'm referring to happened under the watch of Obama. It's interesting that you believe that it is to be used for police and federal training since funding for the military is to be cut drasticly. And it doesn't really matter what YOU feel regarding the questionnaires being sent to the military brass, now does it? Do you really believe that the leftist media would break their necks announcing it? You probably do. BTW, both the doctor and his named source are very reliable people--unlike Obamanation or anyone the wretched creature surrounds himself with. The world does not turn on what YOU consider verified. Again, a dictatorship in America is looming.
Dom

New York, NY

#25 Jan 30, 2013
Ned Ryerson wrote:
George W. Bush signs a law jeopardizing your first and fourth amendment rights, and the conservatives of America said nothing whatsoever. Nothing.
Barack Obama wants to renew a ban that was put into place by George H. W. Bush in 1989, by use of executive order and then superseded with renewal by 1994 Republican led Congress. Boy, how things have changed in twenty years to the point where George H.W. Bush is a liberal to you modern Sean Hannity conservatives.
I'm against that ban and pro gun, by the way, but you people have no perspective. It's all this nutty narrative and cold war fear of the 'Commies'.
Left or right, the vast majority of politicians are loyal only to money. Mitt Romney and Barack Obama aren't all that different. If you think that this left vs. right/msnbc vs. fox news thing is the real world, you're mistaken, because the true America, Imperialist Capitalism America has not changed in a hundred years. Until you understand how the Military/Prison Industrial complex works, how the World Bank works, how fiat currency works, you will be lost in the weeds of a false drama made by American Media.
YEA! Someone else who knows their stuff. I wish the master and all the other political minded would watch all three Zeitgeist movies, then let them make a comment. Government only knows how to make laws and war. They have never been able to even solve hunger and poverty.

Twice as many people die from peanut allergies each year than terrorism, but our government would rather spend 50 times more on terrorism than Heart Disease, which kills more people than any other illness. Oh yea and most of the heart disease can be linked to Cigarette smoking and poor food production. How much money does our government spend on investigation and prosecuting these large companies that are literally killing us. Oh wait we love them because them they give us large amounts of MONEY, MONEY, MONEY. IT IS TIME WE LEFT THIS BOGUS MONETARY SYSTEM, WHERE the worlds richest 100 earned enough in 2012 to end World Poverty 4 times over.( www.thezeitgeistmovement.com ).
FDAT

Welling, OK

#26 Jan 31, 2013
Point wrote:
You people need help. I suggest Prestera for counseling. I hope "master" doesn't own a gun. Fox news should be sued for lying and trying to create panic. There's no talking to you right wing nuts. I only hope you don't poison your children's minds.
What Rock have you been living under? My 12 year old can do the research and see something bad is heading our way.

Check out these Excutive orders
Let google be your friend and if these are not true Prove it :

10990
Allows the government to take control over all modes of transportation, highways, and seaports.

10995
Allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

10997
Allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels, and minerals.

10998
Allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

11000
Allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

11001
Allows the government to take over all health, education, and welfare functions.

11002
Designates the Postmaster General to operate national registration of all persons.

11003
Allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

11004
Allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

11005
Allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways, and public storage facilities.

11051
Specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

11310
Grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

11049
Assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.

11921
Allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and flow of money in the U.S.A. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months.

Also we have the DHS and National weather service ordering 450million rounds of ammo? What for?
Springfield 1911

Athens, OH

#27 Jan 31, 2013
http://professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showth...

The link above will take you to a statement prepared and signed by 1000+ Active and Retired Green Berets. Every American should read this! Our rights are under attack and steps need to be taken to stop the tyranny!

Since: Sep 08

Neon City Oh.

#28 Jan 31, 2013
Ned Ryerson wrote:
Just so everyone knows, like many of The Masters claims, these things are NOT checked and verified. This business of a litmus test being asked to generals about shooting Americans is being purported by a very conservative doctor and his 'unnamed source' within the military. There is no evidence for this other than one mans claims. Were it such a huge undertaking, and being that it apparently is a giant conspiracy of some form, I'd feel that many more people would have to come out and state that this 'test' was their experience before I even consider it 'verified'.
This ammunition thing he refers to is the DHS purchasing 1.2 billion rounds in 2012. This purchase happened before the election. So even if Mitt was president, it still went down. The DHS provide ammunition for the Coast Guard, Secret Service, ICE, Border Patrol and Customs, and the Federal Law Enforcement training center.
Ammunition has a shelf life, this isn't a stockpile, this is mostly going to training. Any cop, soldier, or armed federal official will tell you they have to fire a LOT of ammunition to stay certified.
Not exactly the cut and dry dictatorship described above.
What a great name you chose.
proud buckeye

Nashville, TN

#29 Jan 31, 2013
heres the thing "hah" making stiffer gun laws does not make it harder for criminals to get guns. over 3/4 off the gun found on felons have been stolen. and just like the newtown shooting that young man killed his mother and stole her guns. teaching better storage of firearms i thing would be more benifical that stronger back ground checks.
The Master

Point Pleasant, WV

#30 Jan 31, 2013
Dom wrote:
<quoted text>
YEA! Someone else who knows their stuff. I wish the master and all the other political minded would watch all three Zeitgeist movies, then let them make a comment. Government only knows how to make laws and war. They have never been able to even solve hunger and poverty.
Twice as many people die from peanut allergies each year than terrorism, but our government would rather spend 50 times more on terrorism than Heart Disease, which kills more people than any other illness. Oh yea and most of the heart disease can be linked to Cigarette smoking and poor food production. How much money does our government spend on investigation and prosecuting these large companies that are literally killing us. Oh wait we love them because them they give us large amounts of MONEY, MONEY, MONEY. IT IS TIME WE LEFT THIS BOGUS MONETARY SYSTEM, WHERE the worlds richest 100 earned enough in 2012 to end World Poverty 4 times over.( www.thezeitgeistmovement.com ).
Do you have any idea how foolish you sound? I first questioned your argument when I saw that you actually agree with Ned. After I read the rest of your post, I was certain. Good grief man, come to the world of common sense.
The Master

Point Pleasant, WV

#31 Jan 31, 2013
Springfield 1911 wrote:
http://professionalsoldiers.co m/forums/showthread.php?t=4077 2
The link above will take you to a statement prepared and signed by 1000+ Active and Retired Green Berets. Every American should read this! Our rights are under attack and steps need to be taken to stop the tyranny!
Great link, "Springfield". It's good to hear what the true heroes think about gun control--and to read the posts from you and some of the others who see what is really going on!
Ned Ryerson

Syracuse, OH

#32 Jan 31, 2013
FDAT wrote:
<quoted text>
What Rock have you been living under? My 12 year old can do the research and see something bad is heading our way.
Check out these Excutive orders
Let google be your friend and if these are not true Prove it :
10990
Allows the government to take control over all modes of transportation, highways, and seaports.
10995
Allows the government to seize and control the communication media...(etc.)
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/executiv...

None of that is true, folks. Hope you and your twelve year old get better at google.
Dom

Westland, MI

#33 Jan 31, 2013
The Master wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you have any idea how foolish you sound? I first questioned your argument when I saw that you actually agree with Ned. After I read the rest of your post, I was certain. Good grief man, come to the world of common sense.
I might sound foolish to you but you MUST be THE MASTER of PURE BLISSFUL IGNORANCE. DO YOUR RESEARCH PLEASE! We are not living in a Free, Civilized World. It is a world motived by pure GREED. One where the poor continue to get poorer and the rich get richer. A world owned by big corporations.
Springfield 1911

Langsville, OH

#34 Jan 31, 2013
The rich are getting richer and the poor, poorer. Now the some of the rich elite want to take your guns too. Wonder why? I think its disgraceful they use the Sandy Hook massacre as a stepping stone to further their agenda of government control. Its plain to see when we watch Sen Frankenstein try and push her bill she pretty much wants to get rid of ALL guns. Except, it would exclude government officials! Go figure. Her life nor anyones life up on the hill is anymore important than yours or mine. How dare this woman try to restrict the citizens right to have a firearm of their choosing.
The Master

Point Pleasant, WV

#35 Jan 31, 2013
Dom wrote:
<quoted text>
I might sound foolish to you but you MUST be THE MASTER of PURE BLISSFUL IGNORANCE. DO YOUR RESEARCH PLEASE! We are not living in a Free, Civilized World. It is a world motived by pure GREED. One where the poor continue to get poorer and the rich get richer. A world owned by big corporations.
You're right--you do sound foolish to me.
lexianna

Newark, OH

#36 Jan 31, 2013
The Master wrote:
<quoted text>You're right--you do sound foolish to me.
I totally followed you but I really like the zeitgeist movies. Just trying to figure out what to believe. All I know right now is its not good.
FDAT

Addison, IL

#37 Feb 4, 2013
Ned Ryerson wrote:
<quoted text> http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/executiv...

None of that is true, folks. Hope you and your twelve year old get better at google.
Yep they list this fictional Excutive order 10990 along with the other fictional work here:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php...

And also on www.whitehouse.gov
Springfield 1911

United States

#38 Feb 4, 2013
You idiots that voted for the Obamanation have dug a huge hole. Now your turning to him and asking for a bigger shovel. Don't worry, he's got shovels to go round. When your done hopefully there will be some left to cover you up. The smell will be horrendous!
Springfield 1911

United States

#39 Feb 4, 2013
DHS, buying all the ammo. 1.2 billon rounds? The government wants to ban "assault weapons" it won't stop there. DHS has a training video out that says you are to hide under a desk and pull a chair in front of you, or if you have to, grab a pair of scissors and attack a gunman. Maybe you can fold the badman up first and cut out pretty snowflakes for decorations. Who are these people with these ideas? I don't need or want my taxpayer dollars funding this kind of horse$h+t
Ned Ryerson

Syracuse, OH

#40 Feb 5, 2013
FDAT wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep they list this fictional Excutive order 10990 along with the other fictional work here:
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php...
And also on www.whitehouse.gov
To be 100% fair, you didn't say obama did those things, I only assumed you did because of a chain email that went around attributing those to Obama, instead of the main implementer of those things, JFK.

Many apologies, I am sorry. Not sure why they require mention in this thread, though, but I get your point about government expansion of power.

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