From an atheist/agnostic, long-time h...

From an atheist/agnostic, long-time hendersonite point of view, I must ask.

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eTxZombie

Henderson, TX

#1 Jun 28, 2012
Why do you believe in your god? Whether your god is Jehovah, Yahweh, Muhammad, or some other deity, what is about your deity that makes it believable, or right, or any more true than any other religion? Also, how could you believe in talking snakes or talking donkeys or people surviving the digestive tract of a large fish? Why do you overlook the contradictions of the bible, why do you overlook the evil of your god, as described thoughout the bible, why can you believe in things that have no evidence to support them ever happening in the real world? I'm just really curious as to how or why you believe what you believe.
What kinda zombie are ya

Henderson, TX

#2 Jun 29, 2012
So are you claiming to be agnostic or atheist in yours views? Before you ask for an explanation of others religious or spiritual interpretations, I think it's only fair that you make your stance clear - being that agnostic is far from atheism, the two really can't be joined with punctuation. Also, theology is a study that might interest you, as the Bible is full of metaphors and contradictions; it's a much larger picture being painted still today. Have you read and studied deep enough into the Word to understand the resolutions of the contradictions and "evil" doings from God that you speak of? Also, if you've put any time into research or understanding, being that you are so curious, how have you not found earthly and scientific evidence of many events from the Bible? There are plenty of proofs that are not difficult to find out about. You spike curiosity in believers just the same.
Etxzombie

Henderson, TX

#3 Jun 29, 2012
Atheism and agnosticism are you not that far apart, and they are the most ntrinsically similar. I consider myself an atheist, an antithesis even, but at my core, and I believe at the core of every atheist, is a staunch agnostic. The atheist denies the existence of gods without evidence, but is most often more than willing to accept empirical evidence to support the claim of a deity or deities. The fact is, the atheist is willing to admit not knowing, and but suggests that there should be evidence to support the claim, and while the agnostic also admits to not knowing what lies beyond the grave, or beyond this supposed veil of life, the agnostic does not require as much proof. I fail to see the chasm between the two. I suppose fundamentally agnostics would be easier for a Christian to get along with than an atheist.
Believe

United States

#4 Jun 29, 2012
Ask and it will be given to you, seek and you shall find, knock and the door will open "Matthew 7:7"

My God does exist and his name is Jesus Christ, if u truly seek god you will find him
WOW

Henderson, TX

#5 Jun 29, 2012
Believe wrote:
Ask and it will be given to you, seek and you shall find, knock and the door will open "Matthew 7:7"
My God does exist and his name is Jesus Christ, if u truly seek god you will find him
Truly if one seeks to know Jehovah God (and there is only one God)there is a prescription the Bible gives. You must read the Word of God with faith asking and trusting God to show you if he is real or not. I guarantee you God will be real to you becasue he is real. The Bible teaches a lot of things that are hard to beleive bu consider this. Is it any harder to have faith to believe these things or to believe the universe just sort of accidentally happened and no God controls them. Just think about it. The one question no atheist or evolutionist can anser is "what was before that?" God has always been and always will be. He lives in the present, not in the past, not in the future. As "believe" very aptly pointed out is you ask him he will show you!
Etxzombie

United States

#6 Jun 29, 2012
WOW wrote:
<quoted text> The one question no atheist or evolutionist can anser is "what was before that?"
well, you see, the scientists almost unanimously agree that before our universe began, all matter in the universe had collapsed in upon itself, and was a singular, and super dense, and super hot mass, and when then exploded. This is determined by the fact that we can actually see our universe expanding in every conceivable direction , and at a very specific rate, which scientists also calculate to be gradually slowing down, at a certain point, the universe will stop expanding, and contract. Which will put our universe into the same boiling pot it was in all those billions and trillions of years.
Etxzombie

United States

#7 Jun 29, 2012
That should say antitheist above, and not antithesis. I am fundamentally and morally opposed to the adherence to any religion, and doctrine, and dogma, or any other controlling belief structure.
Etxzombie

United States

#8 Jun 29, 2012
Sorry, again, there really should be an edit option, as I am typing this from a phone. The above post should say I am opposed to the idea of adhering to a belief structure which is evidently unfounded, morally corrupt, and hatefuly intolerant. Were a god or religion to come along, but which was demonstrably verifiable, sincere, and and tolerant, I would most certain adhere to that doctrine. That doctrine is science, and its more than just unfounded belief, and but its backed up by fact and reason.
WOW

Henderson, TX

#9 Jun 29, 2012
Wow! All that IQ and you'd rather believe the science community about how old the universe is. Can't you just believe God created it? Get real! The Bible has been around longer than any scientific community. And by the way, as cool as you, you have way more faith to beleive that stuff than it takes to just ask Jesus into your heart and beleive he will save you. You have it all but Jesus. I'm pulling for you, man!
Etxzombie

Henderson, TX

#10 Jun 29, 2012
While the scientific community has demonstrable credibility, and repeatable results, your jesus has zero credibility, and aside from the fact that the story has been around for a long time. The stories of the Greek and Roman gods were around long before jesus was purported to have exist, some of which are credited with inspiring the stories of jesus, almost word for word, and but we now accept those as myth, and much like we will one day accept the idea of jesus as such. The only reason that Christianity has been around longer than any scientific community, is because the church has a history of murdering people of different viewpoints, and including scientists. Ever heard of Galileo? It has been suggested by some that scientific advances might have been held back as much as 1500 years because of jesus' devout following.
Etxzombie

Henderson, TX

#11 Jun 29, 2012
Also, I I should mention, I it is because of my IQ that I believe the scientific community, rather than blindly believe ords written by a 2000 year old literate minority of shepherds.
credible

Henderson, TX

#12 Jun 29, 2012
Etxzombie wrote:
Also, I I should mention, I it is because of my IQ that I believe the scientific community, rather than blindly believe ords written by a 2000 year old literate minority of shepherds.
Well I guess you have all the answers. Too bad you reject the one person who is real and can help you. If you are really intellectual you will ask Jesus Andra find out for.yourself. ask yoursel this question. What if God is right andyou are wrong?
Etxzombie

Henderson, TX

#13 Jun 30, 2012
If God is right, and I am wrong, but then everyone should start stoning our children when they misbehave, we should sell our daughters into slavery, murder, rape, pillage, and stop eating pork and shellfish. Why on earth does any of that sound apealling?
riDICKulous

Henderson, TX

#14 Jun 30, 2012
have you read this forum? you just opened up a can of worms. shape up.
Etxzombie

Henderson, TX

#15 Jun 30, 2012
Yes, I I have read this forum. Why else would I have posted this here?
freedom

United States

#16 Jul 1, 2012
You keep bringing up old testament. Through Christ the law was fulfilled. Yes God of the old testament was of wrath and judgment. But Christ fulfilled the law and sacrifice for us. I challenge you to dig into the word. Christ teaches us love and forgiveness, I think people forget that sometimes. Everyone is entitled to believe what they want to belief, God created us free will beings. Through Christ all things are possible.
riDICKulous

Henderson, TX

#17 Jul 1, 2012
Etxzombie wrote:
Yes, I I have read this forum. Why else would I have posted this here?
wow, you need a life.
Etxzombie

Henderson, TX

#18 Jul 1, 2012
freedom wrote:
You keep bringing up old testament. Through Christ the law was fulfilled. Yes God of the old testament was of wrath and judgment. But Christ fulfilled the law and sacrifice for us. I challenge you to dig into the word. Christ teaches us love and forgiveness, I think people forget that sometimes. Everyone is entitled to believe what they want to belief, God created us free will beings. Through Christ all things are possible.
In the words of jesus... Matthew 5:18 "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

So, no, you're incorrect, freedom. The old testament law still applies.

In Matthew 10, jesus had this to say about peace...

34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

35 For I am come to set a man against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

I have so many issues with that one passage, I don't even know where to begin.
Interesting

Henderson, TX

#19 Jul 2, 2012
I think if you read any of Lee Strobel's books you would find some interesting points that may help answer many of your questions. He was once an atheist and did his own research to answer the same questions you have above. He has a fantastic IQ and traveled far and wide to find the answers.
No it doesnt

De Berry, TX

#20 Jul 2, 2012
Etxzombie wrote:
<quoted text>
In the words of jesus... Matthew 5:18 "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
So, no, you're incorrect, freedom. The old testament law still applies.
In Matthew 10, jesus had this to say about peace...
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
I have so many issues with that one passage, I don't even know where to begin.
The Old Testament Law was fulfilled when Jesus died on the Cross. True enough, it was not fulfilled when HE spoke that in Matthew 5.

There is a much larger picture to see than "the one passage" that you choose to have issue with. We cant just pick and choose passages at random to be able to understand the whole of God's Word.

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