nastiness above and beyond

[just the truth]

Wasnt it the in the town of Henderson a few years ago that the town took a scoutmaster to court and put him on trial for his son's Eagle Scout project saying it was a violation of the town's zoning laws, and then at the trial it was found out that it was the town clerk, who lives with the former supervisor, and supervisor at the time, who started the whole thing just to be nasty. That guy was the guy who volunteered for the first gulf war when he himself was town supervisor and a member of the county board. If you want to talk about windmills, towers and all the rest, I guess you have to first talk about the quality of the town officials in that town, and what they are in office for. It appears that some, and now those who have been elected or at least won the primary are seeking office, not for any public good, but rather, personal adgendas, as the town clerk so well demonstrated and her live in companion a few years ago by going after the poor scoutmaster. Is it true, and I only know what I read in the paper, that the current town assessor went after the same guy last year, just to be nasty?

It appears to be a nasty town and not that many people care to see any change, thus the election results. I think that town should get ready for windmills, because that is what the miniscule minority wants, because they will benefit from them, ie, town officials.

[Henry Miller]

Wow, nice rumor and hearsay once more. You certainly like to talk and type about a town you live no where near.

[Just The Facts]

This "Scout Master" is the same person who was found guilty of a zoning violation in a court of law. The current assessor did turn him in for admitting a zoning violation under oath at a B.A.R. meeting. This same man, when supervisor helped write and pass into law the zoning laws he now choses to ingore. This "Eagle Scout Project" is now being used for photo shoots of nude woman. A great disrespect to the brave men and women who serve this country. These actions speak for themselves. Need I say more.

[Just the truth]

Maybe I have my facts wrong. I apoligize if so, but do not think so. I will check into what you have said, and get back to you. Would you be an elected official in the town of Henderson? It sounds like it. I could care less about what goes on up there, but do have some friends there, who do fill me in when I hear from them. But your statements, from what I know of the remarks put on here, are themselves not true. You sound like the town clerk up there. Are you? From your statements in your post, it seems you are that same person we read so much about in the paper. Nude woman? I think you maybe have slandered someone in that remark. I will pass it on to some folks here in the city. I do not know about your other remarks, the b.a.r or whatever that is. From what I have read the photo shoot was not nude at all, and benefits wounded service persons. I do not have all the facts but will get back to you when I ask around. Last I knew, people are free to express their thoughts and if you let me know what you think is hearsay and rumour, I will see if I can find out the truth.

But are you or anyone else really interested in that? But you are right, not living there is easy for me to make comments. Its my friends and people who live there that one should be sorry for.

[Just the truth]

Out of respect to those who use this forum I want to get the facts right. could Just the facts answer:

1. Are you an elected official in Henderson
2. Were you at the photo shoot? how did you learn of what was going on there that you came to your conclusion?
3. Who administers the "oath" at a B.A. R. meeting? Where is the oath found?
4. The Eagle Scout Project and the trial is online , articles, and from those articles, the town appears to have gone after the scoutmaster or perhaps the person that happened to be scoutmaster. The article is not very complementary towards the town, in fact, it makes the town look rather stupid and petty. This all sounds interesting and will take some time to research.
5. Can you provide the document where the person you mention admitted he was in violation of the town zoning law. Is it in a newspaper article?

6. What branch of the service did you serve in?
Where were you stationed overseas? Did you ever have a pinup calender? Just wondering why you say something is disrespectful when you have mistated the facts and came to a very inappropriate conclusion based on your own "facts"

I will get back to you with more info when I find the articles.

While everyone is entitled their opinion, your title of nastiness above and beyond seems to indicate your own actions, rather then anyone elses. But then again, having read most of the articles in the papers about what goes on in that town, I would imagine that some town officials there have to try and make themselves look good, in light of their own actions .

This could be a new daytime soap opera to replace the guiding light.

But I think I have better things to do to be honest

[Just the truth]

one last question.

if the person was in violation of the zoning law, at the b.a. r. meeting, then why didnt the town cite him?

Thank you

[Just the truth]

It took some time, and some help and a few phone calls, but I found an article on the internet about the Eagle Scout case. In the article it says that the town clerk was the person who started the case against the scoutmaster. It wasnt the zoning officer or another citizen.
The town did not cite the scoutmaster for the pad under the tank. Why not? The article also stated that the town while coming after the scoutmaster,would not enforce the law equally towards other situations. So it seems that at least that whole situation was a set up, and no one in that town had the courage to pull the plug on a very nasty and uncalled for action brought by the town clerk, of all people. I could find no reference in any paperwork or in any articles about the town citing the scoutmaster or whoever for the B.A.R. issue. So that appears to have been a non issue, yet a town official went right out, like the town clerk, and offered a complaint? According to the newspaper article a former zoning officer called the helicopter and tank in the memorial park, "decorations". You mentioned disrespect. I would think that the most disrespectful thing that could have ever been done was to start such a ridiculous action in the first place, as it benefited no one, right? Certainly no greater cause was upheld, and how many other real violations and zoning issues are allowed to slip by for officials friends? Well I learned a few things tonight. Thank you for clarifying that I have been right all along , and the truth of what goes on up there is a secret to some, but not to all.

Does any of this have to do with the overwhelming no to windtowers that was said last night in your town's meeting. If I remember right, the former town supervisor has the only cell tower in town, and I was told it was in the paper he has sold an easement for a windtower, and the town clerk lives with him? Are they married? That certainly does not say much about how things are done in that town. What an example .

[Just the truth]

I should go to bed, but this stuff is facinating once you start reading about it. First, why would a town government take a scoutmaster to trial over a cement pad, that the zoning officer admits, that he will not enforce with others in similar situations? After what that man had gone through with a car accident, and the town still put him on trial? That is sad and disrespectful. I think I know or have read about the poor man, when he was the town supervisor, he volunteered for call up and went overseas. And your town put him on trial for a cement pad in a memorial.? And it was caused by the town clerk? The more I learn about this, the more I realize what a sad place it must be up there. That guy has been outspoken right, about how the government is run, right? so town officials or at least one went after him, and as I understand it, no materials were presented for his defense? What was that all about? So it seems he really was set up. Well, that is all water over the dam isnt it. The real issues are windtowers and how the government is run, as best as I can tell from the newspapers and the town clerk seems to be at the center of it all, and a large cause of it all. Thanks for informing me on all of this and making me look it up. The truth is stranger then anything anyone could put on here. As far as the photo shoot is concerned, which was to produce a calender, since you acourse will not buy the calender, how much money will you at least donate to the receiving organization to put towards helping wounded and families of deceased servicemen and woman?

Thats what I thought.

[Just the truth]

sorry it took so long to get back, I contacted some people for some info.

The photo shoot did not have any nudity in it at all. Where did you hear that from?There is no oath administered at B.A. R. meetings. Since you say the current assessor, I assume you are a town offical. If the town did not pursue it, had could not have had any fact to the issue correct? I could not locate any other cases where the town clerk or the current assessor have filed charges against anyone except this one person. This one person, who has been called the scoutmaster, but lets call him, that poor guy, was the town supervisor and a member of the county board of supervisors when he volunteered for call up for the first gulf war. So lets summerize. Your town, takes a veteran, a scoutmaster, and a father whose son was almost killed a few months ealier, and puts him on trial for a supposed violation of the town zoning law, when at the same time, other persons were allowed to bypass the law. I found that out this weekend. right at the same time. I could not find any other cases where the town clerk and assessor went after anyone else except this poor guy. I think I have to be honest, and say, your town and its government is amazing, and what they do to people whose only apparent "violation" is seeking to have better government, and not be fleeced by the town's officials. No wonder whoever you are, you have bent the truth, lied and simply distorted the truth. It would seem that the nasty person is in fact, yourself. You are very correct, no more needs to be said about this nasty situation up there.

[Henry Miller]

Nude photo shoot? I stopped by, they were in clothes. Provocative clothes, yes, but clothes none the less.

As for the other things, i think two of them, the old man and the town clerk, they both have agendas. I am not in any way affiliated with the town, other than having family and friends through out it and being born and raised there a good part of my life. Like most small towns, there are some bad seeds, and Henderson is not different.

[Just Interested]

I just found this site and find it interesting.

I was reading the posts, and didnt find any reply from the person who wrote the nasty remarks about the scoutmaster and the photo shoot , called, just the facts, and wondered if they had responded back to the questions asked of them, or if it had been deleted. Thanks !

[Just Interested]

Not to beat a dead horse to death, but I guess the person who wrote the nasty remark, is not going to answer the questions or identify themselves. What an interesting story though. Putting a scoutmaster on trial to pay him back for his stance on doing what is right, seems to be very nasty and I can understand why the person is defensive. What a terrible thing to do to a man? And it appears this man has done much for his community, but for some reason has the rath of a few people directed at him, with no support from anyone. I guess that is the way small towns are becoming. Hang in There !

[Henry Miller]

Does anyone have a link tot he story?

[just interested]

What story are you refering to?

At least one mystery is solved. There was apparently a picture of the "girls" in the local paper today, and they had clothes on!LOL! It appears that some people just spread lies to justify their own actions, but the truth usually comes out in the end. What a sad sad situation in that town. It sounds like the election will even make things worse or go back to the way they were. How do people put up with the mess there?

[Henry Miller]

The story about scout leader.

I already told you I was there, at Alexander Corners (the store where the models were) and they 100% had clothes on. Small, tight, sometimes slightly see through, but clothes with all parts covered up.

As far as the town is concerned, the folks who think they run stuff, and spread it through out the media run nothing. The actual town and town officials run 10% of the town at the most, with the citizens of the town doing what they have always done, pretty much. The ones trying to get away with bull crap in the town government are well known by those who live in the town.

[Gary L Rhodes]

My name is Gary L. Rhodes and I would like to make a few comments about some of the remarks made here, since they refer to me. I heard about this site and finally found it. I am not sure how the site works, what does Nastiness above and beyond refer to? Some of the ladies who were in the photo shoot were at a local site, promoting the calender and met a young soldier who had been involved with a IED, lost part of his right leg, has unrepairable damage to his spine, lost hearing in his right ear, and his wife of 15 years left him after his injury. He was amazed that people would do something for him, the calender, and pay some attension to him that night and treat him like he was special, which the girls did, and which he is, isnt he? I would be grateful if the person who calls themselves Just the Facts, could identify themselves, as I have, and explain where they have gotten their information in the remarks they have made. I cannot see one bit of fact in the statement, except that I did help write the law years ago. I will not rehash what has been said here. What goes on in our town is unblievable as others have already stated. The story about the zoning incident, the cement pad can be followed in the Watertown Daily Times archives if you are interested. There is no verbal oath that one pledges to at a Board of Assessment Hearing. There is no reason that I would have said the signs were illegal, I was there because they were ILLEGALLY being assessed. Temporary Signs are not assessable, so why were they assessed? However , our town has bigger problems the these small issues. The sad part of all of this is that many people cannot afford what has gone on, and what is going on. Officials getting 30 hours NYS pension fund credit for 1 week when they have full time jobs elsewhere. That is incredible. And voting in , in the primary a fellow who gave the town a 530% tax increase over two years. so you see, there is more going on then most people can even imagine. Just a shame.

Again, would the person who made the statement please identify themselves ?

Thank you.

Concerning the whole "scoutmaster" and zoning issue, whoever made the statement about it, the Just the Facts , person is as best I can see, simply trying to deflect and cover up something they did or one of their buddies. You don't put a scoutmaster on trial for an Eagle Scout Project honoring some war heros, and a few months after the scoutmasters son is almost killed. the only question one needs to ask, and answer is, "What kind of town officials would do something like that? Thats all you need to know about any of this story and all the other ones.

[Gary L Rhodes]

When the ladies were at the photo shot, I showed them a "pin up" from Yank magazine from 1942. your remarks about the memorial and the shoot are inappropriate and stupid. Again, please display as much courage to put forth such stupid remarks, and identify yourself, so that we can settle some of these remarks. We have tried hard to do good things here in our town, and the remark, no good deed goes unpunished works here. We are amazed that the people of this town, and many pay alot of taxes, allow what goes on in the government to go on, year in and year out, with apparently no regard to anything. One part of our town government, the recycling center , operates with a budget for next year of about 230,000 on revenue of $30,000. guess that was already stated. how do you do that ? What people pay in and what they get in return is amazing. But I guess I should stop there, I think those who made nice comments and try to have some understanding, and would love to discuss issues with Just the Truth? I still do not understand what the ubove and beyond has to do with anything?