Old John T

Rowland Heights, CA

#64 Oct 8, 2013
Chris... If the bill were single provider it would have eliminated the ins co and it would have been a govt takeover of health ins. So you have free enterprise. If you find any of my statements to be false or misleading, challenge me on it. You seem to be a smart guy and independant thinker. Get your info from different sources,, and question that info. Do ur research, then come to your own conclusions.
Old John T

Rowland Heights, CA

#65 Oct 8, 2013
Chris ..When I was a young man, I was registered with the Peace and Freedom Party. (Viet Nam era). Then for a while i was into the Green movenent. The I realized that my votes meant nothing. I couldnt change a thing. As a registered Independant, I can cross party lines in primaries, and support whoever. I really liked GHWB. Thought he was a good honest man. Didnt vote for Clinton the 1st time, but he grew on me. So he got a fewblow jobs. Big deal......
Old John T

Rowland Heights, CA

#66 Oct 8, 2013
Chris. At least he didnt screw us. But as an Indie, you just cant say both sides are doinv it, they are the same. I will admit, sometimes it like voting for the lesser of 2 evils. But Obama vs Romney (or McCain) was a clear choice. We are out of Iraq, getting out of Afganistan. Not in Syria or Egypt. Negotiating with Syria and Iran. Thingz may not be great, but they are a lot bstter than where we could be at.
Yea you tell this a hole

Los Angeles, CA

#67 Oct 9, 2013
Old John T wrote:
Chris.... go to POLITIFACT or FACTCHECK.COM and see what Pelosi said and the context that she said it. The GOP claims that they had no input into the ACA (healthcare) bill.Fact check that as well. I think that they added about 100 amendments to it. The individual mandate (personal responsibility) means that ins companies are providing the service. So it is a free enterprise system, that rewards competition......y
Tell this loser whats up Old John T. We are tired of this loser "Chris" thinking he knows what is really going on. I don't blame this loser "Chris" to much because his only fact checks are done with Fox news and Rush Limbaugh. NUFF SAID!! Thanks for telling it like it is. This is what we all think yet this A-HOLE "CHRIS'won't get or look for the facts (anything else besides fox or rush) YOU TELL HIM WHATS UP OLD TIMER!!
Old John T

Rowland Heights, CA

#68 Oct 9, 2013
YouTell This..... I dont think that Chris is an asshole, he probably is a young man who is a little angry and misinformed. He may not know about fact checking and is just accepting what he has been told. I hope that he takes the my challenge, and draws is own conclusions. He may still disagree with me, but at least he will know questioning authority and doing research are things that are needed thru life. He has to do both in order to make it thru life
goodGrief

Yucaipa, CA

#69 Oct 9, 2013
John, we run along some parallel lines and I won't site all our differences, however. The ACA is being administrated by the government. Not a good idea since the IRS and Soc. Sec. are a mess. Medicare shoulda been straightened out before we continued on our merry way. I do think it's a big deal Clinton was messing with a 23 year old. He lied straight to our faces. Nixon got impeached, and Clinton got "ah, it's not so bad". We will have to wait and see how the ACA pans out, but most doctors have their doubts, as well as I. We Americans are sick of war. So I don't think it would have mattered who was the president, we're not for anymore boots on the ground. So when Obama drew his "red line" and nobody would support him, he had to back peddle. So did Biden, who said he "was proud of him". I don't think our president should go around the world apologizing for us--that showed a sign of weakness and gave our enemies the notion to not take us seriously. So when Obama drew his red line, then what? What was he going to back that up with? I think we are in for some not so pleasant problems arising from this current impasse. I too, have tried to find a party to stand behind. Right now--there isn't any. So I guess it will have to be "the lesser of the two evils."
Old John T

Mesa, AZ

#70 Oct 9, 2013
Hey Good Grief! Good to hear from u again. Nothing wronv with parallel lines. It would be a dull world if everyone agreed. The govt oversees the ACA. The ins co. are actually competing and selling the policies. U say that theIRS and soc sec are a mess. If ur talking about the irs scandal, I suggest that u fact check andget the real story. 501c groups were set up for social issues only. IRS were doing their job. And no conservitivegroups were ...
Old John T

Mesa, AZ

#71 Oct 9, 2013
Good Grief.. . Denied. Liberal groups were also checkes and at least 1 was denied. Soc sec wouldnt be in trouble if our leaders kept their hands off of the funds. I think that the pilferingstarted with Reagan. Not sure though. Medicare has been around since the 60s. Its never gonna be right because the taxes ha ent grown as fast as our life expectancy. What happened with Clinton, was between him and his wife. He lied 2 us 2 try 2 save his marriage
Old John T

Mesa, AZ

#72 Oct 9, 2013
Good Grief.. it may have been wrong to lie, but ithink most guys would have done the same. (Men can be pigs) the House of Repsbrought up the articles of impeachment up, but it never got to the senate. He resigned from office. He was not impeached. I think we discussed PBO not being followed by the world on Syria. After Bush jrs wmd lies, ni one believed us. If the impass is about diplomacy, well its worth a try.If it is about the budget and the debt limit,
Old John T

Mesa, AZ

#73 Oct 9, 2013
I am also concerned. But I jus heard on NPR, that the Kock brothers and a few other investor groups have written letters to the House, telling them to pass clean bills on both.
Some drs dont likethe ACA and some do. Again its 2 early to tell the outcome. 1 thing 4sure, is we will needmore med professionals. Maybe lettingmore PAs help out. Sorry this was so long, but i tried 2 respond 2 all of ur comments.
Chris

Murrieta, CA

#74 Oct 9, 2013
Old John T wrote:
YouTell This..... I dont think that Chris is an asshole, he probably is a young man who is a little angry and misinformed. He may not know about fact checking and is just accepting what he has been told. I hope that he takes the my challenge, and draws is own conclusions. He may still disagree with me, but at least he will know questioning authority and doing research are things that are needed thru life. He has to do both in order to make it thru life
I will do some fact checking on both sides, but i will have to agree to disagree with you,I'm not that young 46 and thanks john, i'm not the smartest one out there, but i have done ok for myself so far. Everyone has their own opinion, there are million's of other people in this country, That feel the same way i do.
Old John T

Mesa, AZ

#75 Oct 9, 2013
Chris thats why I gave u factcheck.org and politfact.com .. They give different slants on issues, and I find both interesting. What I would do to be 46 again! Ur still young. And u ARE one of the few people that I.will converse with on this blog. Insightfull and respectfull. And as Ive said before, theres nothing wrong with having a difference of opinion. Thats what mkes life interesting.
Old John T

Mesa, AZ

#76 Oct 9, 2013
Good Grief ... oooops. My typing and my brain were not in sync. Should have read... (men can be pigs) Nixon had the house briing up articles of impeachment........ HE was not impeachef, HE resigned before the senate took the issue up. Sorry about that. Maybe I should be ancient John T.
God bless G Zimmerman

Pacific Palisades, CA

#77 Oct 10, 2013
whatever you libtards think of Zimmerman we need him to clean up hemet and moval. get rid of all the loser junkie addict swine.
GoodGrief

Yucaipa, CA

#78 Oct 10, 2013
Old John T wrote:
Good Grief ... oooops. My typing and my brain were not in sync. Should have read...(men can be pigs) Nixon had the house briing up articles of impeachment........ HE was not impeachef, HE resigned before the senate took the issue up. Sorry about that. Maybe I should be ancient John T.
Yeah, I remember him waving as he got in the helicopter. Him saying "I am not a crook." The result was the same, he got run out of town before he put himself and the country through that ordeal. I feel it was the cover up that got him in trouble. That's why it was hard to believe that cover-up with Bengahzi didn't have further reaching repercussions. At least with Watergate nobody died. Instead we have Hillary saying "what does it matter now?"
Old John T

United States

#79 Oct 11, 2013
Good Grief.. Nixon not only was aware of the Warergate breakin, tried to cover it up, but he also felt that he was above the law. He fired the special prosecuter and members of the Justice Dept. that were investigating the crime. He resigned because he knew that the senate would have found him guilty. (I think the GOP was the majority there) . Darrell Issa of the House has been conducting an investigation into the Bengazi incident for about a year...
Old John T

United States

#80 Oct 11, 2013
and there was no evidence of a cover up. If there were, do you really think that tje GOP majority in the house wouldnt have made something out of it already? And again I ask you fact check the context of Hillarys statement. Immediately following that statement she said...4 people died there. Maybe if the house wouldnt have cut a large portion of the embasy guards it may not have happened. Fact check my statements. Please.
Old John T

United States

#81 Oct 11, 2013
Good Grief... couldnd remember some facts last night. Archibald Cox was the special prosecuter fired by Nixon. He also.abolished (fired) his whole office. Att Gen Richardson was also fired for refusing to do the firing. Robert Bork was offered a Supreme Court seat if he did the deed. He also refused. DARREL ISSA is the chairman of the House Oversight Committee. Hes the 1 who looked into all scandals, and still has found nothing scandalous aftet a yr
Chris

Murrieta, CA

#82 Oct 11, 2013
Good morning ol john,One thing that i have noticed,most all of the news is left leaning, and biased including fact check Maybe out to try another source, thats not biased(if you can find one) LOL http://www.examiner.com/article/factcheck-org...
Forget this guy John

Los Angeles, CA

#84 Oct 11, 2013
Chris wrote:
Good morning ol john,One thing that i have noticed,most all of the news is left leaning, and biased including fact check Maybe out to try another source, thats not biased(if you can find one) LOL http://www.examiner.com/article/factcheck-org...
I knew it!! Even after you finally do some fact checking (not Fox or Rush) you still can't believe it. And anything that is different than Fox or Rush is left leaning. Did you see what the poles are saying a-hole. The republicans and congress were wrong all along. They just caved in to Obama and are walking with their tail between their legs. STFU and stop bothering poor John T. He is wasting his time with you. NUFF Said.

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