created by: maryellen | Oct 11, 2008

Hemet, CA

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Will you vote for Measure O in Hemet?

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maryellen

Hemet, CA

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Oct 11, 2008
 

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Not at all, this is a scare tatic, our City needs to oust every city counsel memeber and start fresh.
Gail

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maryellen wrote:
Not at all, this is a scare tatic, our City needs to oust every city counsel memeber and start fresh.
I completely agree with you maryellen, Hemet definitely needs a fresh start and "taking out the trash" so to speak on the council members is a GREAT start. No on O speaks for itself...NO MORE TAXES!!! Let's elect a council that actually knows what they are doing and have the towns best interest in mind instead of their own agenda which includes using Hemet as a spring board for higher offices.
Hemet Guy

Pollock Pines, CA

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Maryellen and Gail:
You are both wrong when it comes to scare tactics. Public safety will be cut and it will be cut to the bone. Our community has always enjoyed a high level of service from our public safety officers. The fire dept. is one of the busiest in the nation because our senior population (medical aids). The poilce department made over 5000 arrests last year! I can't believe people would want to cut considering the cost is $5 for every $100 spent on utilities. This UUT is nothing new and Hemet has been lucky to avoid it for so long. Over half the cities in CA (including Beaumont, Riverside, Mo Val, Palm Springs, etc.)have a UUT and most of them enacted it after Prop 13 took local funds away from the cities in the 70's. Now, as far as the council goes, go ahead and get rid of them, either way there will still be a need for a LOCAL revenue stream that can be depended on to fund our public safety. Otherwise, Hemet will be a run down town in no time.
YPMO

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Oct 15, 2008
 

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Hemet already IS a rundown town, the old Wal Mart which remains empty is a hideous reminder of poor planning on the part of the council members. Placing a shiny new restaurant on EVERY corner is not the answer when nobody can afford to take their families out for dinner. For the love of God people PLUG IN!
Mary Ellen

Hemet, CA

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Hemet Guy,
There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in the Measure which Guarantees that money will go to police and fire. It goes to the City general fund. Who spends that money? Hmmm, the city counsel. The city counsel who gave themselves a 40% raise, who get free DSL compliments of us, the taxpayer in their homes, who have medical insurance, compliments of us, the taxpayer....should i go on??? They have city credit cards, they go on city trips...they all need to go! The 5% Utility would be on my city water, which was just subject to a 10% increase 7/1/08, city sewer, gas, electric, telephone, cell phone, and cable/satelite tv. Add it up, that is 7x5%=35% in tax. When i did the math on my utilities, i would be paying over $60 a month, which is $720 a year, and for what? The city looks horrible now! City police and fire are a public service....hello they will not be eliminated. Firestation 5 can NOT be built on the Hemet street location as it runs thru and earthquake fault and no firestation can be put there, so it is a scare tatic that no permanent station will be built there, it cant anyway. I dont see the fire captain or police captain offering to take a paycut, or city counsel for that matter. I work in Healthcare...we work with less people to take care of the same amount of patients, and guess what, it gets done! Perhaps the city can take a lesson! Get rid of city counsel, nothing in Measure O guarantees it goes to fire or police. I read the voter guide...maybe you should too!
Hemet Guy

Pollock Pines, CA

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Oct 16, 2008
 
Mary Ellen:
I agree with about 90% of what you say. Lets get rid of the council.

However, I was told 81% of the general fund is for police and fire. The other "stuff" in the general fund is library, city clerk, and other very small depts.

Please don't use health care as a good example of service. Have you been to an ER or doctors office lately? The last thing i want is a fire dept that models their service after anyone in health care.

So, I'll say it again, to the apathtic voters in hemet who continue to vote in the same officials every year. Don't vote for them...Maryellen you hear me?

Resident

San Jacinto, CA

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Why is it that in Hemet public safety consumes 81% of the budget? Most well run cities keep it to about 60-65%. That seems to be the problem that no one wants to talk about. Now the police and fire unions want more....seems to me that with only 19% left how much more is there left to take?
Mary Ellen

Hemet, CA

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Hemet Guy,
Who told you 81% goes to fire and police? Have you read the voters guide. It ALL goes to the city general fund, and city counsel may do what they please with it. Its very black and white in the voters guide. I happen to work at our Local hospital, and would go to the ER. If everyone in town didnt use it as a doctors office, you would not have to wait hours to be seen.....there is a clinic run by the county on State Street, however most are unwilling to travel the distance when they can call 911 and think they can trupm someone truly sick so they can be seen for their backpain, runny nose, kid who has had a fever, shall i go on? There is nothing stating it goes to fire or police, where do you get your information?
Resident

San Jacinto, CA

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Oct 18, 2008
 
81% of the current General Fund spending goes to police and fire protection Mary Ellen. This is from the city's budget itself. All of Measure O goes to the general fund. My point (which you obviously missed) is that Hemet is ALREADY paying too large a portion of its general fund for public safety and this will only increase with Measure O passing.
City Budget

Hacienda Heights, CA

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Oct 18, 2008
 
To Resident:

There are a few reasons why 81% of the general fund is spent on public safety. And in fact you are correct when you say most other cities spend a lower amount of the total general fund on safety. The portion of the general fund grew when the city made its last budget cuts to non-safety positions. Also, Hemet does not have a Parks and Rec which many other cities do and pay for it out of the general fund. Thus, it's not really comparing apples to apples if the budgets don't pay for the same things. Bottom line is that things that are normally paid for out of the general fund have either been cut or are being charged to other areas outside the general fund (City of Hemet budget is on-line). So, public safety budget is a larger percentage because it is one of the few things left in the General Fund. I have never heard or read that the "unions" say they want more. I have heard safety employees say they want to continue to provide the same service levels, so please let me know where you heard that. I also read many of the police and fire employees live in the city and actually have an interest in keeping it safe. The city needs to find a stable revenue stream that can't be stolen by Sacramento. There is nothing new with a utility tax as Hemet Guy states above. As an outsider, it is clear that if the city council has funded public safety in the past why would they change in the future. I read they just approved an oversight committee and the people on it are community members appointed by the City Manager not the Council. Sounds like there is a lot of built in safeguards to me, unlike all of the rest taxes we pay. Plus, the current council seems to be under a microscope right now, I doubt they would want the oversight committee coming after them.
Resident

San Jacinto, CA

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Oct 18, 2008
 
So now the problem is "the city needs to find a stable revenue stream that cant be stolen by Sacramento"? I thought it was a problem with depending on sales tax and development revenue for the budget? The words to the song seem to change every day, but the chorus is always "we need more money so pass this tax."

Over the last 10 years Perris (not a gem of a city I will admit) went from having next to no money in reserves to now having 15 million. Hemet went the other way with having millions in reserve to now having nothing. Did Sacramento forget about Perris and only take Hemet's money? Or did Perris actually have a plan and stick to it instead of spending money here and there on whatever the idea of the week was? I dont recall Perris making a pledge of $1,000,000 to a museum like Hemet did...or did I miss that one? At least Hemet backed out of that obligation.

Unlike others, I will not expect cuts of retirement gifts ($40,000 or so), or severance packages given to fired city managers ($250,000) to save the day when the amount needed is $5 million or more. But reality is that with the bad economy, past practices (a few listed above), the forclosure mess, gas prices and now the expectation that people vote for a utility tax on themselves to save the day I would be a nervous fireman or policeman who is at the bottom of the senority list as I dont think this measure has a chance.

The public is fed up with new tax measures every 2 years to pay for something. Bad planning, timing and luck as I predict Measure O will fail regardless of how many letters police and fire write to the papers pleading for it.
McCains Guy

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Oct 18, 2008
 
Hemet Guy clearly works for the city possible Police or Fire. He is saying exactly what they have said at events at my Mobile Home Park. The city of Vallejo went bankrupt and 78% of their general fund went to public safety. We don't need more taxes.
Mary Ellen

Hemet, CA

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Oct 19, 2008
 
I agree we do not need more taxes! How can the people who can barely pay their utilities now possibly pay more? The seniors who are just above the income limit now can choose perscription meds or paying their utilities. Come on! A citizen oversite committee will not work, look how some of the folks here in Hemet have influence over city counsel, and the City Manager. Just how would the manager know he is picking fair when he lives part time in Hemet and the rest of the time in Palos Verdes?
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Oct 19, 2008
 
maryellen wrote:
Not at all, this is a scare tatic, our City needs to oust every city counsel memeber and start fresh.
Yes, Yes, Yes and Yes.
Concerned citizen

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Several Firefighters and Police Officers will become unemployed if this tax doesnít pass!!! Hemet Fire will close at least one station. This means longer response times to our homes. I donít know about all of you but a 5% tax to save my life is not much of them to ask. We need to back our police officers and firefighters. They are not the city council!!!! We should not punish them for something they didnít do. They need our help and we need them even more!!!!! Do you all realize that we are one of the only cities in the state without Paramedics on our fire trucks? If the tax passes maybe we can get some. If this tax doesnít pass 6 local parks will close, the library will close down at least one day a week, gangs will take over, and graffiti will not be removed. If the tax doesnít pass Iím out of this city!!!! YES ON MEASSURE "O"!!!!!!!!!!
Mary Ellen

Hemet, CA

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Mr Concerned Citizen,
Where will you relocate? Do you relaize they want to close firestation 5, the one with perhaps one call a day? I called the police non-emergency number because my neighbors were duking it out, after being on hold 9 minutes, i figured the neighbors could kill each other.....Why dont we contract Hemet police out to say...the Sheriff department? I bet we could find cost savings...afterall Orange County is that way....If AMR, who has paramedics also respond, why do we need to double the paramedics? Firestation 5 CAN NOT have a permanent structure because there is an earthquake fault running thru the land. The Utility Tax money goes to the CITY GENERAL FUND,there is nothing in the voters guide and in the literature showing the money will go to fire or police. The written information from the city says it goes to the general fund, and they can spend at their discression. Look how city counsel spends the money here....city credit cards, trips, free dsl at their homes, we pay their PPO medical insurance while our citizens who live in the "park" get nothing, we pay for the City Manager to have a shopping spree at Walmart while he lives 4 days a week in Palos Verdes...give me a break, this city is corrupt...and so is their spending and lying! Vote NO ON O....EVERYONE I KNOW IS!!!!!
Resident

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How come Hemet has to pass a utility tax to get paramedics on the fire engines while all the other cities have been able to do it without an additional tax? Mismanagement or is it that having your own fire dept is something that Hemet can no longer afford? Pride goeth before a fall and a big fall is coming......
Concerned citizen

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Most cities that have paramedics on there engines have a public safety tax. Some even charge $400 per response. AMR does have Paramedics on there ambulances. However, most of the time the ambulances are stuck at the hospital because there is no beds available for them to off load there patients. AMR is a profit making company. They are not going to add more ambulances to make up for this problem. If you or your loved one is having a heart attack dont you want a Paramedic to respond on the fire engine while the ambulance is delayed for 20 min? And for the parks you mention that these people live in, do you realize they will be closed down as well. 6 city parks will be closed! YES ON "O"
Mary Ellen

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I understand the bed delay. I work at the hosptial. So you think they will close Weston Park? Let them! Most of the parks here are places i will not take my 6 yr old. I care for the homeless that come from the park. They are not the ones who call 911. Have you been in the ER when they bring an MI patient in, it is utter chaos, with say 10 extra people standing around so we can not get to the patient and do our jobs. I understand they have paperwork, that is why they are provided a room, and should stay there. It utterly sucks sometimes! We the taxpayer should not be punnished because our City Counsel of liars and cheats cant balance a budget. The elderly of town, who can not afford their meds should not be punnished either. Have you ever talked to a home Oxygen patient? Their concentrator runs their bills in the hundreds....they cant afford the bill now, and yet we should make them pay more? I doubt it! The physicians are telling the paitients to vote no...this effects their business too! For me, it would be an extra $60 a month. Have you looked at your city water bill? Rates up 10% since 7-1 now they want to add another 10% because of a water and sewer charge, then add in my phone, cell,dsl,gas, electric and directv, i now pay $60 extra. That is 40% more in tax. Did you get a 40% raise this year? I didnt, at the hospital we now pay our insurance, have layoffs yearly and work with half the people we used to. If we can care for the entire city, i am sure the police, fire and city employees can do it too! They should not be treated and differently, we serve the public just as they do. We have no pension plan like the city employees do, so as the measure says
O-NO!!!!!!!!!! I have already voted no, and so have most in my neighborhood. Vote No on O!!!!!!!!
Dean

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Shouldn't police department, fire department, emergency services, ect.. have been upgraded during our rich housing boom we experienced? IMO, These services should've been upgraded with the money negotiated from the developers, and made to run off of tax revenue generated by the new thousand of residents these housing developments brought in. Or did our city leaders fail us in this field? If so, we wouldn't be talking about this measure this early into our recession.

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