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Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

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A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Since: Jul 13

Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

#217781 Sep 22, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Gracias.
There's more but one thing I realized is that showing a bigot the truth is like shining an Eveready flashlight into a mole's eyes.
It blinds them and they just go back to whatever senseless shit in the dark they were doing before.
LOL!!!!
Or if affirms their beliefs, as I briefly mentioned the backfire effect before. Here is an excerpt from wikipedia's cognitive bias article: "A similar cognitive bias found in individuals is the backfire effect, in which individuals challenged with evidence contradictory to their beliefs tend to reject the evidence and instead become an even firmer supporter of their initial beliefs"

“"The 14th Amendment Works"”

Since: Jul 13

Livermore California

#217782 Sep 22, 2013
douchebaggery wrote:
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He mentioned his concerns of children raised by homosexuals, which I think can be a good discussion. If you take away those hostile word choices, he makes decent points worth discussion. I'm not defending him, but I think we should discuss child raising. Homosexuals are fine, but what happens when they raise children?
In reality I believe that the answer to the question about how children fare in a same sex family as opposed to a opposite sex family is really quite simple! If there are good caring parents in each of those family's the children will turn out as well balanced,adjusted and compassionate as they would in any good family,the sexual makeup of said family's really has nothing to do with it! I personally know a few same sex couples with children and you couldn't find any better well adjusted children anywhere! Like I said,it's quite simple in my opinion.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#217784 Sep 22, 2013
Gustavo wrote:
<quoted text>
you are always talking about mens balls and penis. You need to move on to a gay porn site you homo. I'm sure want to catch that ball dropping .
Don Con has some issues.....it might be from having been breast fed until he was twelve....by his father.

Since: Jul 13

Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

#217785 Sep 22, 2013
-Bill Of Rights- wrote:
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In reality I believe that the answer to the question about how children fare in a same sex family as opposed to a opposite sex family is really quite simple! If there are good caring parents in each of those family's the children will turn out as well balanced,adjusted and compassionate as they would in any good family,the sexual makeup of said family's really has nothing to do with it! I personally know a few same sex couples with children and you couldn't find any better well adjusted children anywhere! Like I said,it's quite simple in my opinion.
Veryvermilion and Dan made some good points regarding this. It has been demonstrated that they are more than capable of raising good children. I think in certain circumstances, even better. I think the location plays a big part. I mean if the surroundings are not accepting, there may be dire outcomes. Yet again, why would homosexual couples be in that environment to raise a child?

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#217786 Sep 22, 2013
-Bill Of Rights- wrote:
<quoted text>
In reality I believe that the answer to the question about how children fare in a same sex family as opposed to a opposite sex family is really quite simple! If there are good caring parents in each of those family's the children will turn out as well balanced,adjusted and compassionate as they would in any good family,the sexual makeup of said family's really has nothing to do with it! I personally know a few same sex couples with children and you couldn't find any better well adjusted children anywhere! Like I said,it's quite simple in my opinion.
There's one element, one connection that can only be provided by one's own mother and father, biological, all other factors being equal. We are all products of a man and a woman.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#217788 Sep 22, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Wellllllllll...
..Franky Fizzle has to take SOME time out of his day to surf the net for "Big Booty Mommas", "Crippled Asians R Eazy", "Schoolgirls On The Run" and other porn sites preferred by Fank-N-Beans during his down times.
While Dan Dan the Con Man surfs for barnyard porn, while he blows up his inflatable sheep.

Since: Jul 13

Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

#217789 Sep 22, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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I won't provide a direct link since it would "out" Kimare. His blog clearly identifies him by name. Others have named him on TOPIX. I won't do that here.
However, you can highlight any portion of the words I quoted from it, put them into a Google search and you should be taken directly to his blog.
Also, he might provide the address of his blog himself. If he's got the hubris to put it on the internet, then he shouldn't have any problem providing you with the link.
Can you perhaps help by telling me what to google? Pretty please? I'm having difficulties here...

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#217790 Sep 22, 2013
douchebaggery wrote:
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Or if affirms their beliefs, as I briefly mentioned the backfire effect before. Here is an excerpt from wikipedia's cognitive bias article: "A similar cognitive bias found in individuals is the backfire effect, in which individuals challenged with evidence contradictory to their beliefs tend to reject the evidence and instead become an even firmer supporter of their initial beliefs"
Human nature. Even Einstein was susceptible to it.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#217792 Sep 22, 2013
douchebaggery wrote:
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Thanks, veryvermilion. I have seen his track record and noticed he is on homosexual topics frequently.
Although I do not agree with him on many aspects, its more efficacious to discuss points with someone rather than to flame them. I just want to understand why he feels so strongly about this, because I did notice he is on a lot of these threads.
I personally do believe that homosexuality is natural as seen in the animal kingdom. I agree with you on your views of homosexuality for the most part.
I like to play devils advocate to facilitate good discussions as I like to study the art of persuasion and debate. There is something called the backfire effect in psychology/persuasion. Feeling so strongly about a subject will only reinforce kimare's beliefs. Knowing this, I am not trying to convince him. I just want to understand his reasoning for this.
But on the note of young gays in the closet, I think that is horrible. I feel that we should be more accepting to the prospect of homosexuality. It's ruining young lives.
Several of us have wondered why it is that Kimare is SO vehemently opposed to homosexuality. And I think we've come up with a couple of possibilities.

1.) He just plain hates homosexuals. And specifically, he doesn't like homosexual men. His arguments rarely have anything to do with lesbians.
Now, he claims to not hate homosexuals. But he doesn't support homosexuality in any way. He doesn't want us to marry. He doesn't want us to have children. He refers to us as unnatural and sexually disordered. He believes that we should be "cured" into oblivion.
I'm not trying to make him look bad. These are beliefs and values that he has clearly stated in the years that I have watched him on TOPIX.

2. The second possibility is that he is one of those pitiable, closeted, self-loathing gay or bisexual creatures who believe they can throw everyone off their scent by being really, really outspoken against the LGBT community.
There are studies that have been completed that shows this to be the case. One such study measured a group of men's level of "homophobia". Those men who scored highest were then attached to a device that measures penile circumference and shown a series of pornographic movies and pictures.
Most of these men "responded" to homosexual erotica.
Freud called it "reaction formation". A person formulates a reaction in order to hide what they consider to be anxiety producing or unacceptable feelings.
I'm of the opinion that Kimare may fall into this category.
Some people say that I'm insulting Kimare by suggesting that he is closeted. But how can it be insulting for a gay man to suggest that another man is gay?
I believe he has frequented this forum (and many more) in an effort to quench his desire to at least be in the vicinity of other gay people. As I've described it to him, we are essentially a "virtual gay bar".
I think if he truly disliked gay people to the extent that he wishes we believed, he would have come here three years ago, made his comments, and then left. And that's what many people who hold anti-homosexual sentiment have done over the years. They're here for a month or two, then they move on.
But he's a fixture here. He's kind of like Norm from "Cheers".
We obviously meet some need of his that goes unfulfilled in his day-to-day life.
Melanie

Idyllwild, CA

#217794 Sep 22, 2013
Gustavo wrote:
<quoted text>you are always talking about mens balls and penis. You need to move on to a gay porn site you homo. I'm sure want to catch that ball dropping .
Lmfao
Melanie

Idyllwild, CA

#217795 Sep 22, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>Wellllllllll...

..Franky Fizzle has to take SOME time out of his day to surf the net for "Big Booty Mommas", "Crippled Asians R Eazy", "Schoolgirls On The Run" and other porn sites preferred by Fank-N-Beans during his down times.
I thought maybe he was bangin a broad after a brawl at the VFW! Lol

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#217796 Sep 22, 2013
douchebaggery wrote:
<quoted text>
Can you perhaps help by telling me what to google? Pretty please? I'm having difficulties here...
I had trouble searching for it too... I'm sure he won't mind me providing the address of his public blog. http://watchmann.blogspot.com/

Since: Jul 13

Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

#217797 Sep 22, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
I can relate to that directly in that I was firmly against gays marrying about 4 years ago or less.
What I made through self discovery is that instead of countering a valid point made by "the other side" of gay marriage such as the ever present question of where is the harm in homosexual unions I would in turn scramble to find either an isolated incident of harm which I attempted to expand on or swerve around the direct question or point fielded to me and tried to craft another point either from it or something unrelated altogether as a form of derailment.
It was at the point where I actually reflected on the individual points made thanks in part to a gay who stayed polite even given my caustic nature that I saw how gays marrying was a righteous cause.
I bowed my head, had to say "I'm sorry" twice given the room couldn't hear me the first time and came back.
As a supporter FOR gays marrying. Hellova lot easier to argue that than it is to fight an onslaught of factual information bombarding your windshield...LOL!!!
What separates me from other gay supporters in these goofy threads is I don't really LIKE gay marriage either. It makes me shift in my seat. But hell...half my being might make another person have to fight to keep their lunch down so there you go.
LOL!!!!
I feel you, Dan. I was the same way. I hated the idea of gays getting married. Then my sister, who is a lawyer adept at convincing people, and I had an argument about gay marriage. After it was over, it started sinking in and I started changing my view. How does it affect me if they get married? It doesn't. They are no less human than anybody else here and they deserve equal respect. My work is somewhat fashionable, so I work with a lot of gays now. They are funny dudes. I respect them as much as I do anybody else. Maybe a little more, because they are so friendly and nice. Better to talk to than the stuck-up women at my work. I guess my dislike came from not understanding them. I have nothing against them now.
Melanie

Idyllwild, CA

#217799 Sep 22, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
<quoted text>Don Con has some issues.....it might be from having been breast fed until he was twelve....by his father.
OMG if this was radio.....People would be peeing their pants from laughing!!!

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#217800 Sep 22, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Gave up the sheep thing. The vinyl pressed seams would always cut me and I could never keep the damn thing up to the recommended 32 PSI.
LOL!!!
You're an idiot buddy...LOL!!!!
Okay you maybe a chooch....but that was funny.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#217801 Sep 22, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
ROFL!!!!!!!
I hate to say it...but that was pretty damn funny...LOL!!!
Gave me one SICK visual but it was funny.
You've inspired me.
adam n eve not steve

Los Angeles, CA

#217802 Sep 22, 2013
-Bill Of Rights- wrote:
<quoted text>
In reality I believe that the answer to the question about how children fare in a same sex family as opposed to a opposite sex family is really quite simple! If there are good caring parents in each of those family's the children will turn out as well balanced,adjusted and compassionate as they would in any good family,the sexual makeup of said family's really has nothing to do with it! I personally know a few same sex couples with children and you couldn't find any better well adjusted children anywhere! Like I said,it's quite simple in my opinion.
Please...spare me. Gag me with a spoon.

Since: Jul 13

Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

#217803 Sep 22, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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I had trouble searching for it too... I'm sure he won't mind me providing the address of his public blog. http://watchmann.blogspot.com/
You're the man!! I will revert back with my review. Thanks, veryvermilion!
Melanie

Idyllwild, CA

#217805 Sep 22, 2013
Bahahahahahahahahahaahhahaha!! !!
This is better than stand up!!!! Are you
sure you are not actors???

Since: Jul 13

Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

#217806 Sep 22, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
Several of us have wondered why it is that Kimare is SO vehemently opposed to homosexuality. And I think we've come up with a couple of possibilities.
1.) He just plain hates homosexuals. And specifically, he doesn't like homosexual men. His arguments rarely have anything to do with lesbians.
Now, he claims to not hate homosexuals. But he doesn't support homosexuality in any way. He doesn't want us to marry. He doesn't want us to have children. He refers to us as unnatural and sexually disordered. He believes that we should be "cured" into oblivion.
I'm not trying to make him look bad. These are beliefs and values that he has clearly stated in the years that I have watched him on TOPIX.
2. The second possibility is that he is one of those pitiable, closeted, self-loathing gay or bisexual creatures who believe they can throw everyone off their scent by being really, really outspoken against the LGBT community.
There are studies that have been completed that shows this to be the case. One such study measured a group of men's level of "homophobia". Those men who scored highest were then attached to a device that measures penile circumference and shown a series of pornographic movies and pictures.
Most of these men "responded" to homosexual erotica.
Freud called it "reaction formation". A person formulates a reaction in order to hide what they consider to be anxiety producing or unacceptable feelings.
I'm of the opinion that Kimare may fall into this category.
Some people say that I'm insulting Kimare by suggesting that he is closeted. But how can it be insulting for a gay man to suggest that another man is gay?
I believe he has frequented this forum (and many more) in an effort to quench his desire to at least be in the vicinity of other gay people. As I've described it to him, we are essentially a "virtual gay bar".
I think if he truly disliked gay people to the extent that he wishes we believed, he would have come here three years ago, made his comments, and then left. And that's what many people who hold anti-homosexual sentiment have done over the years. They're here for a month or two, then they move on.
But he's a fixture here. He's kind of like Norm from "Cheers".
We obviously meet some need of his that goes unfulfilled in his day-to-day life.
I have heard of the second point before. We used to joke about my friend being in this category, because he was so antigay. I mean, when I was trying to figure out kimare's reasons, it seemed to go around in circles with his failed mating mantra. Good point. Will revert back with my analysis shortly.

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