Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 | Posted by: Topix | Full story: www.cnn.com

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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In the face of medical proof, proving it is inherently harmful, unhealthy and demeaning, and a clear abuse of design, you justify it.
Why?
Because it is the only way for gays to portray the intimacy of marriage.
The inherent harm, unhealthiness and demeaning nature of anal sex not only exposes homosexuality as a sexual defect, a failure of mating behavior, it disqualifies equating ss couples to marriage.
When someone points that out, you don't counter with medical proof, you mount a personal attack.
Sad.
As I've said repeatedly recently, if anal sex were the harmful and demeaning act that you portray it to be, then our country would grind to a halt. Anyone who has ever engaged in it would be too ill and too emotionally spiritless to participate in society.

But that isn't the case.

There are risks involved with anal sex. But these risks can easily be eliminated if the proper care is taken.

Besides, as has also been pointed out to you multiple times, not all gay people participate in anal sex. If you let your imagination run free for just a few seconds, I'm sure you can figure out that there are many other ways to be intimate with someone.

This is especially true for lesbians.

No one is trying to copy the kind of intercourse that heterosexuals engage in. That's a ridiculous insinuation. Gay men know what they like and that's what they do.

And "In the End" it all boils down to one simple fact, Kim... It's none of your business.

I think that's what bites at you the most.

The fact that you don't get to tell others what they must do in order to live in your own notion of an ideal world just pisses you off to no end. Your desire to dominate creation is your Achilles heel. It gnaws at you so much that you have spent hundreds (thousands?) of hours reading and preparing comments to post on these TOPIX forums.

What a waste it's been. All you've managed to do is show what an ass you are, make up a few contrived and canned opinions, and write some ridiculous poems.

We've become your mistress, Kim. You probably show us more attention than you do your wife.

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Err...
...men don't have hymens. Just an FYI.
Funny...
...many straight marriages are "sterile". Are they then not married??
"Duplicate gendered"??? LOL!!! As long as there are 2 consenting adults in the marriage it's complete. How and when they find intimacy is no more your business than if you were to beat on the door of your 80 something year old neighbors and inquire if they use more than 4 Viagra pills a week.
Children are better off in a loving family than one in which mom and dad think their offspring are nothing more than moving piatas. These kids can identify with nurturing,love and caring, all qualities gay parents can possess as equally as straight parents.
Hey - it's your opinion gays cannot form marriages.
We get it. Stupid opinion but you own it.
ss couples are ONLY EVER barren. Marriage is RARELY sterile. See the difference?

At it's most basic essence, marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior. A male and female.

Ss couples are a defective failure of mating behavior. Making ss marriage an oxymoron. Literally 'unmarriage'.

Why are you ashamed of what goes on in your bedroom?

Every single social science study indicates that children are FAR better off with their natural parents. The way nature designed. And guess what? Most parents and kids prefer that.

The bottom line? Ss couples do not equate to marriage at any level.

Oh, except, if you dumb it down like you did, to 'two' people.

That makes a hell of a lot of marriages...

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Let's revisit this ignorant attempt at sounding intelligent from you.
We can utilize eloquent language in an attempt to look elegant as well sister;
Same sex marriages bring forth the basic fundamentalism which the sanctity and union of marriage acknowledges as it's crux and base in that gay unions also hold the integral elements of mutual attraction, intimacy and the willingness to commit to a legally binding agreement formatted on a two party grouping of adults which in no way is dependent on procreation given that individual facet is not a requirement towards the obtainment of a recognized joining of the dual parties involved.
--DAMN!!!
Now isn't it easier to state there is no requirement to produce little kiddies when we think about who can get hitched?
You so stooped.
LOL!!!!
Social scientists assert that were it not for children, marriage would not exist. Couples who fall in love often 'fall' out of love.

So, at it's most basic essence and 'crux', children unite a couple. In fact, that was the only reason government became invested in marriage in the first place.

However, Ss couples will STILL only ever be a mutually sterile pointlessly duplicate gendered half of marriage.

Smirk.

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If the founding fathers believed that a judiciary wasn't necessary to make sure that various organizations needed to be kept in check from a constitutional standpoint, then they wouldn't have created that branch.
As free Americans we have ever right and responsibility to take an action to the courts for a decision. We weren't the first country to create this kind of system.
"Majority rules" didn't fly during the civil rights era and it's not flying now. The bottom line is that sections of DOMA didn't pass Constitutional muster. And that's why those sections were overturned.
Now it's your turn to cry.
And by the way, my math skills are OK. I don't have to be a genius to figure out basic percentages. If you have different numbers, then I'd be happy to look at them.
The objection is that five individuals, in eccense over turned not only the votes, twice, of millions of Californians, but created a new definition of a significant social institution.

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Social scientists assert that were it not for children, marriage would not exist. Couples who fall in love often 'fall' out of love.
So, at it's most basic essence and 'crux', children unite a couple. In fact, that was the only reason government became invested in marriage in the first place.
However, Ss couples will STILL only ever be a mutually sterile pointlessly duplicate gendered half of marriage.
Smirk.
which social scientists assert that? please cite the papers and the author.

why is it you think you can continue to just pull bullshit out of your ass and no=one will call you on it? you've been busted on it, what, three times in the last week?!?

what a tool!

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<quoted text>which social scientists assert that? please cite the papers and the author.
why is it you think you can continue to just pull bullshit out of your ass and no=one will call you on it? you've been busted on it, what, three times in the last week?!?
what a tool!
You've busted me on nothing. I just schooled you about how long marriage has been around.

Look it up and prove me wrong if you can.

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<quoted text>yet i clearly showed yo it is in no way the only way that gays can 'portray the intimacy of marriage'.
your prejudice is preventing you from seeing the facts in front of your face...
The most intimate expression of oneness is the union of a male and female through intercourse.

The closest a gay couple can come to matching that union sexually ends up being inherently harmful, unhealthy and demeaning. It is an abuse of design.

You should be embarrassed, if not arrested for what you showed.
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woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>which social scientists assert that? please cite the papers and the author.
Cultural anthropology 101 or sociology 1. The first week.
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<quoted text>which social scientists assert that? please cite the papers and the author....bla bla bla ...angry heterophobic rant...bla bla...

what a tool!
http://www.marriagedebate.com/pdf/What%20is%2...

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As I've said repeatedly recently, if anal sex were the harmful and demeaning act that you portray it to be, then our country would grind to a halt. Anyone who has ever engaged in it would be too ill and too emotionally spiritless to participate in society.
But that isn't the case.
There are risks involved with anal sex. But these risks can easily be eliminated if the proper care is taken.
Besides, as has also been pointed out to you multiple times, not all gay people participate in anal sex. If you let your imagination run free for just a few seconds, I'm sure you can figure out that there are many other ways to be intimate with someone.
This is especially true for lesbians.
No one is trying to copy the kind of intercourse that heterosexuals engage in. That's a ridiculous insinuation. Gay men know what they like and that's what they do.
And "In the End" it all boils down to one simple fact, Kim... It's none of your business.
I think that's what bites at you the most.
The fact that you don't get to tell others what they must do in order to live in your own notion of an ideal world just pisses you off to no end. Your desire to dominate creation is your Achilles heel. It gnaws at you so much that you have spent hundreds (thousands?) of hours reading and preparing comments to post on these TOPIX forums.
What a waste it's been. All you've managed to do is show what an ass you are, make up a few contrived and canned opinions, and write some ridiculous poems.
We've become your mistress, Kim. You probably show us more attention than you do your wife.
On what basis would society in the end end because anal sex is inherently harmful, unhealthy and demeaning? Another poster proved that wrong already. At the most society would waddle, not come to the end.

You are like a worm on hot cement. You twist and turn and twirl, trying to slim out of the corners your denial puts you. I'm not here to support your lies. I'm here to protect marriage and children.

You are getting your ass kicked from every side VV.

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The objection is that five individuals, in eccense over turned not only the votes, twice, of millions of Californians, but created a new definition of a significant social institution.
they turned over the votes that were unconstitutional, as is their job.

no, that definition was already there, they just stopped all those californians from breaking their own constitution...

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Thanks Frankie!

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You've busted me on nothing. I just schooled you about how long marriage has been around.
Look it up and prove me wrong if you can.
how long marriage has been around wasn't even the topic of your post, fool...

yes, i busted you on your bullshit about societies that collapse because of dwindling marriage rates, and now this,...one other i forget about right now, not that it matters. you are proven to just pull obvious bullshit out of your ass and pretend it s fact.

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oh wow1 totally biased report for a totally biased foundation...

so not even one social scientist to cite from? not even one?

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I don't believe you. You are lying. You don't really support a man marrying his adult daughter. Or Mormon Joe marrying three hot 18 year old brides. Do you now Tick? Convince me. I think you are lying to avoid revealing your hypocrisy.
Get on it! Hup Hup! I want to hear your enthusiastic support. No lukewarm nonsense.
another clear example of your hypocrisy, francis. i already answered this question honestly. now when i ask you to prove your stance by saying you think same sex couple marriage is equal to opposite couple marriage you run away and claim you don't have to prove anything..

you are the perfect hypocrite and you keep proving it day after day.

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The most intimate expression of oneness is the union of a male and female through intercourse.
The closest a gay couple can come to matching that union sexually ends up being inherently harmful, unhealthy and demeaning. It is an abuse of design.
You should be embarrassed, if not arrested for what you showed.
your sex life must be incredibly boring... but then it probably mostly consists of you wanking off to little boy porn...

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<quoted text>which social scientists assert that? please cite the papers and the author.
why is it you think you can continue to just pull bullshit out of your ass and no=one will call you on it? you've been busted on it, what, three times in the last week?!?
what a tool!
http://www.volokh.com/posts/1129571505.html

Some evidence on the anthropological point:“Although the details of getting married – who chooses the mates, what are the ceremonies and exchanges, how old are the parties – vary from group to group, the principle of marriage is everywhere embodied in practice.... The unique trait of what is commonly called marriage is social recognition and approval ... of a couple’s engaging in sexual intercourse and bearing and rearing offspring.” Kingsley Davis (ed.), Contemporary Marriage: Comparative Perspectives on a Changing Institution (New York: Russell Sage Foundation)(1985).

"Marriage is a universal social institution, albeit with myriad variations in social and cultural details. A review of the cross-cultural diversity in marital arrangements reveals certain common themes: some degree of mutual obligation between husband and wife, a right of sexual access (often but not necessarily exclusive), an expectation that the relationships will persist (although not necessarily for a lifetime), some cooperative investment in offspring, and some sort of recognition of the status of the couple’s children. The marital alliance is fundamentally a reproductive alliance." Margo Wilson & Martin Daly, Marital Cooperation and Conflict, in Evolutionary Psychology, Public Policy and Personal Decisions 197, 203 (Charles Crawford & Catherine Salmon eds., Lawrence Erlbaum Assoc. 2004)

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<quoted text>how long marriage has been around wasn't even the topic of your post, fool...
yes, i busted you on your bullshit about societies that collapse because of dwindling marriage rates, and now this,...one other i forget about right now, not that it matters. you are proven to just pull obvious bullshit out of your ass and pretend it s fact.
Yeah it was, now you are back peddling because I schooled your ass.

Moreover, I validated the dwindling marriage rates. Europe is in jeopardy right now.

As to facts, my side is the only one dealing with them on here.

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KiMare wrote:
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The most intimate expression of oneness is the union of a male and female through intercourse.
The closest a gay couple can come to matching that union sexually ends up being inherently harmful, unhealthy and demeaning. It is an abuse of design.
You should be embarrassed, if not arrested for what you showed.
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>your sex life must be incredibly boring... but then it probably mostly consists of you wanking off to little boy porn...
A gay troll attack is the only type of facts you come up with.

How sad. How old are you?
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<quoted text>oh wow1 totally biased report for a totally biased foundation...
so not even one social scientist to cite from? not even one?
I have hundreds. You have none. So far the score is me one, you zero. Catch up. Cite some sociologists who argue children have nothing to do with marriage.

It is true that having children is not and should not be a requirement for marriage. It is also true that they are one of the main reasons for marriage. But go ahead and try to argue otherwise. Fun!

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