Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 | Posted by: Topix | Full story: www.cnn.com

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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It is simply stupid to call a mutually sterile, duplicate gendered half of marriage, marriage.
Clearly not the same.
It's simply stupid to continue to make claims that have no basis in legal fact.

I'll bet you just bark at the moon when you see more and more states and countries pass marriage equality laws.

The TOP queen gave her official approval for same-sex marriage in the U.K. yesterday.

LONG LIVE THE QUEEN!!

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It's simply stupid to continue to make claims that have no basis in legal fact.
I'll bet you just bark at the moon when you see more and more states and countries pass marriage equality laws.
The TOP queen gave her official approval for same-sex marriage in the U.K. yesterday.
LONG LIVE THE QUEEN!!
LONG LIVE THE QUEEN!!

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KiMare wrote:
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Let me help you;
"Mating is a human universal."
Let me help you; mating is irrelevant to the discussion of marriage. Even if it weren't, gays mate whether you like it or not. You don't get to make up your own definitions of what mating is.
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"All known societies have formal marriage alliances between MEN AND WOMEN (emphasis added)."
Many known societies have formal marriage alliances between men and men and between women and women. The number of these "societies" continues to grow and won't be stopping. NO EMPHASIS NEEDED.

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"More than 90% of all people in all societies marry at some point in their lives."
I highly doubt this figure, but in the end it's completely irrelevant.
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"In a cross cultural perspective, marriages are usually regarded as formal reproductive alliances (NOTE THE TIE-IN WITH CHILD BIRTH) that contain the features of (a) mutual obligation between husband and wife (NOTE THE GENDER DIVERSITY)(b) rights of sexual access (c) an expectation that marriage will persist through pregnancy, lactation, and child rearing and (d), and recognition of the legitimate status of the couple's children."
No one cares about cross cultural perspective. We only care about the perspective of the state. Cross cultures aren't issuing marriages, the state is. The state has no mandates as it relates to mating or procreation.
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There is no 'theory' involved. There is simply a social science identified commonality that encompasses nearly all cross-cultural marriages. The rest of the article addresses their theory.
Commonality is completely irrelevant. You are arguing "tradition". Sorry, that's not a valid argument when it relates to civil rights. Never has been and never will be. Your argument merely demonstrates your desperation.
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Face it queen, that single paragraph destroys virtually every claim gay twirl trolls like you make.
Face it c*nt, NOTHING you have stated has destroyed ANYTHING. Gays are still getting married, their marriages are equal to their heterosexual counterparts, laws are continuing to be changed in order to accommodate and regognize our marriages, and all your fundie twirls, lies and obfuscations about procreation, sterility, essences, anal sex, AIDS and anything else you try and bring into the conversation will never alter that.

You're a loser, fighting a losing battle, on a lost cause.

Oh, and you're ugly to boot.

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It is simply stupid to call a mutually sterile, duplicate gendered half of marriage, marriage.
Clearly not the same.
No, what's stupid is continuing to reference things that don't really exist. Like "half a marriage". That's what's really stupid.

One can only assume that you find your "arguments" from the same fundie store as the village idiot, Brian_G. You sound more and more like him everyday. And by like him, I mean, idiotic and desperate.

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A gay troll fishing...
A fundie c*nt being agitative.

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But girlfriend, you ALWAYS gloss over their use of the word "USUALLY" in the first paragraph. This indicates that NOT ALL marriages are regarded as formal reproductive alliances.
Why you don't get it is beyond me.
When a study is presented to a professional journal, every single word is scrutinized. I'm sure they didn't casually throw the word "usually" in their discussion.
And NOTHING in this article even addresses your claim that same-sex relationships or marriages are harmful to children.
You CANNOT draw conclusions from a study that the authors, themselves, did not draw.
Keep yammering, queen... Maybe you'll convince yourself.
Until David Buss and David Schmitt provide us with a study that directly deals with MARRIAGE--both gay and straight--and not mating behavior, you have no case.
First you falsely portrayed the first paragraph as a theory, now you try to distort again. You are so predictable.

The 'usually' simply notes rare exceptions which in no way invalidate the normal.

The first paragraph simply notes commonly held understanding by social scientists about marriage. It then proceeds to address a separate theory about short term relationships.

Keep twirling queen.

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It's simply stupid to continue to make claims that have no basis in legal fact.
I'll bet you just bark at the moon when you see more and more states and countries pass marriage equality laws.
The TOP queen gave her official approval for same-sex marriage in the U.K. yesterday.
LONG LIVE THE QUEEN!!
I made no claim about a purported 'legal' fact.

I simply noted reality: SS couples will only evert be a mutually sterile duplicate gendered half of marriage.

Even a Queen can't change that.
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I made no claim about a purported 'legal' fact.
I simply noted reality: SS couples will only evert be a mutually sterile duplicate gendered half of marriage.
Even a Queen can't change that.
Lets see

The legal facts ( which you ignore are )

Animals ( other than man ) do not have marriage contracts

Precreation is not now nor has ever been a requirement for a marriage license

Mating behavior is not stipulated on a marriage contract

Same sex couples are legally married and recognized on both the state and federal level

Some people can and do have children regardless of marital status ( and always have )

People raise children regardless of their biological connection to the child ( I have 3 myself that I raised that were not biologically mine, however they all call me Dad )
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Woohoo!!
RANKIN THE. MORON lives in O.C.
The O. C. Times, they called him that
'Cause he's not authentic like me.
Yeah, the guy from the O.C. paper
Said he makes druggies feel good
They'll vote for him, and not for me

See, real druggies , liars and thieves like RANKIN
Or me, or informed
Have talked the talk, and walked the walk.
Not come in late and won!

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Oh, RANKIN THE MORON lives in O.C.
The O.C. Times, they called him that

'Cause he's moron but not authentically.
Oh, Rankin the Coward lives in O.C.
The O.C. Times, they called him that
'Cause he's slander , but not authentically.
Some say RANKIN. "articulate"
And bright and new and "clean."
The druggies sure loves this guy,
A instigator interloper's dream!
But, when you vote for a FOOL
Watch out, and don't be fooled!
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'Cause 'cause I won't have nothing after all these years of sacrifice
And I won't get justice. This is about justice. This isn't about me, it's about justice.

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I see. So now you are going to refer to life-long mating as marriage. Got it.
BTW, those natural life-long mating behaviors among animals include homosexual mating, oh, excuse me, homosexual marriage WITHOUT law.
Smile.
I inferred no such thing. I simply noted that the law is not required for life long mating or marriage

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No dear, HERE'S the bottom line. Mating behavior is completely irrelevant to the state issuing a marriage license. Always has been, always will be. All your precious articles regarding mating behavior will ALWAYS be irrelevant. Like you.
Well lets see, it is your rabid opinion vs science.
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Aww. Yes, in general. You suck.
Silly bigoted POS, I don't suck I blow...

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I simply noted reality: SS couples will only evert be a mutually sterile duplicate gendered half of marriage.
That's not reality, that's made up fantasy fundie-land. Look, we get it, you don't want to accept our marriages. No one cares. your acceptance is about as important as the acceptance of donkey. Your lack of acceptance doesn't make them any less real, it just publically demonstrates how juvenile you are.

Now, you run along with your pouty face, and you stomp your feet all day long! Your very poorly created opinions don't trump facts.

Your imaginary "half marriages" and "mutual sterility" and "essences" and obsession with anal sex demonstrate NOTHING, other than your complete and utter stupidity.

Smile ugly! We love when fundies throw themselves into public arguments about which they know nothing other than their beliefs!! Nothing shows you all off for what you are more than that!!!

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I inferred no such thing.
Ah, yes you did. I realize with the tremendous amount of lying and fundie-twirling that you do, it's easy for you to lose track.

http://www.topix.com/forum/san-diego/TH6FC2NT...
"However, there is life-long mating behavior among animals, marriage WITHOUT the law."

See kumquat, you explicitly implied it. You called "life-long mating behavior" "marriage" WITHOUT the law.
KiMare wrote:
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I simply noted that the law is not required for life long mating or marriage
Um, yes dear, the law is required for marriage. Marriage is a legal institution. It is not recognized without the law. It is however, not required for mating. Mating and marriage are two different things. Neither are dependent upon the other. And that fact will always be the thorn in your nonsense.
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That's not reality, that's made up fantasy fundie-land. Look, we get it, you don't want to accept our marriages. No one cares. your acceptance is about as important as the acceptance of donkey. Your lack of acceptance doesn't make them any less real, it just publically demonstrates how juvenile you are.
Now, you run along with your pouty face, and you stomp your feet all day long! Your very poorly created opinions don't trump facts.
Your imaginary "half marriages" and "mutual sterility" and "essences" and obsession with anal sex demonstrate NOTHING, other than your complete and utter stupidity.
Smile ugly! We love when fundies throw themselves into public arguments about which they know nothing other than their beliefs!! Nothing shows you all off for what you are more than that!!!
Try to relax fruitloops.
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But girlfriend, you ALWAYS gloss over their use of the word "USUALLY" in the first paragraph. This indicates that NOT ALL marriages are regarded as formal reproductive alliances.
Why you don't get it is beyond me.
When a study is presented to a professional journal, every single word is scrutinized. I'm sure they didn't casually throw the word "usually" in their discussion.
And NOTHING in this article even addresses your claim that same-sex relationships or marriages are harmful to children.
You CANNOT draw conclusions from a study that the authors, themselves, did not draw.
Keep yammering, queen... Maybe you'll convince yourself.
Until David Buss and David Schmitt provide us with a study that directly deals with MARRIAGE--both gay and straight--and not mating behavior, you have no case.
Relax spice cake.

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Well lets see, it is your rabid opinion vs science.
1) Stating that "Mating behavior is completely irrelevant to the state issuing a marriage license" is not a rabid opinion, it's a bona fide statement of fact. It's demonstrable and provable.

2) Science has nothing to do with marriage. But don't let that stop you from pretending it does.

Smile!
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<quoted text>A lady that lives a few houses away is getting married, she is 72, her new husband is 75. Both lost thier spouses a few years ago. Neither are fertile, so they to must have half a marriage I mean if you are basing marriage on fertility.
Cute story Jiz.
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Sweet Lindsey Graham has another stupid Republican idea, US should consider Olympic boycott over possible Snowden asylum in Russia.

Lindsey your better AT CREATING A MESS THAN CLEAING ONE UP!

Slot heads unite!
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1) Stating that "Mating behavior is completely irrelevant to the state issuing a marriage license" is not a rabid opinion, it's a bona fide statement of fact. It's demonstrable and provable.
2) Science has nothing to do with marriage. But don't let that stop you from pretending it does.
Smile!
"Smile!" Jonah1 said, with his jaw tightly clenched.

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