Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 Full story: www.cnn.com 201,038

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#203347 Jul 18, 2013
Jonah1 wrote:
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I see. So now you are going to refer to life-long mating as marriage. Got it.
BTW, those natural life-long mating behaviors among animals include homosexual mating, oh, excuse me, homosexual marriage WITHOUT law.
Smile.
I inferred no such thing. I simply noted that the law is not required for life long mating or marriage

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#203348 Jul 18, 2013
Jonah1 wrote:
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No dear, HERE'S the bottom line. Mating behavior is completely irrelevant to the state issuing a marriage license. Always has been, always will be. All your precious articles regarding mating behavior will ALWAYS be irrelevant. Like you.
Well lets see, it is your rabid opinion vs science.
Mikey

Fullerton, CA

#203349 Jul 18, 2013
Rocky Hudsony wrote:
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Aww. Yes, in general. You suck.
Silly bigoted POS, I don't suck I blow...

“Crusading Fundies r hilarious!”

Since: Feb 11

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#203350 Jul 18, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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I simply noted reality: SS couples will only evert be a mutually sterile duplicate gendered half of marriage.
That's not reality, that's made up fantasy fundie-land. Look, we get it, you don't want to accept our marriages. No one cares. your acceptance is about as important as the acceptance of donkey. Your lack of acceptance doesn't make them any less real, it just publically demonstrates how juvenile you are.

Now, you run along with your pouty face, and you stomp your feet all day long! Your very poorly created opinions don't trump facts.

Your imaginary "half marriages" and "mutual sterility" and "essences" and obsession with anal sex demonstrate NOTHING, other than your complete and utter stupidity.

Smile ugly! We love when fundies throw themselves into public arguments about which they know nothing other than their beliefs!! Nothing shows you all off for what you are more than that!!!

“Crusading Fundies r hilarious!”

Since: Feb 11

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#203351 Jul 18, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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I inferred no such thing.
Ah, yes you did. I realize with the tremendous amount of lying and fundie-twirling that you do, it's easy for you to lose track.

http://www.topix.com/forum/san-diego/TH6FC2NT...
"However, there is life-long mating behavior among animals, marriage WITHOUT the law."

See kumquat, you explicitly implied it. You called "life-long mating behavior" "marriage" WITHOUT the law.
KiMare wrote:
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I simply noted that the law is not required for life long mating or marriage
Um, yes dear, the law is required for marriage. Marriage is a legal institution. It is not recognized without the law. It is however, not required for mating. Mating and marriage are two different things. Neither are dependent upon the other. And that fact will always be the thorn in your nonsense.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#203352 Jul 18, 2013
Jonah1 wrote:
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That's not reality, that's made up fantasy fundie-land. Look, we get it, you don't want to accept our marriages. No one cares. your acceptance is about as important as the acceptance of donkey. Your lack of acceptance doesn't make them any less real, it just publically demonstrates how juvenile you are.
Now, you run along with your pouty face, and you stomp your feet all day long! Your very poorly created opinions don't trump facts.
Your imaginary "half marriages" and "mutual sterility" and "essences" and obsession with anal sex demonstrate NOTHING, other than your complete and utter stupidity.
Smile ugly! We love when fundies throw themselves into public arguments about which they know nothing other than their beliefs!! Nothing shows you all off for what you are more than that!!!
Try to relax fruitloops.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#203354 Jul 18, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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But girlfriend, you ALWAYS gloss over their use of the word "USUALLY" in the first paragraph. This indicates that NOT ALL marriages are regarded as formal reproductive alliances.
Why you don't get it is beyond me.
When a study is presented to a professional journal, every single word is scrutinized. I'm sure they didn't casually throw the word "usually" in their discussion.
And NOTHING in this article even addresses your claim that same-sex relationships or marriages are harmful to children.
You CANNOT draw conclusions from a study that the authors, themselves, did not draw.
Keep yammering, queen... Maybe you'll convince yourself.
Until David Buss and David Schmitt provide us with a study that directly deals with MARRIAGE--both gay and straight--and not mating behavior, you have no case.
Relax spice cake.

“Crusading Fundies r hilarious!”

Since: Feb 11

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#203355 Jul 18, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Well lets see, it is your rabid opinion vs science.
1) Stating that "Mating behavior is completely irrelevant to the state issuing a marriage license" is not a rabid opinion, it's a bona fide statement of fact. It's demonstrable and provable.

2) Science has nothing to do with marriage. But don't let that stop you from pretending it does.

Smile!
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#203356 Jul 18, 2013
Poof wrote:
<quoted text>A lady that lives a few houses away is getting married, she is 72, her new husband is 75. Both lost thier spouses a few years ago. Neither are fertile, so they to must have half a marriage I mean if you are basing marriage on fertility.
Cute story Jiz.
OC times

Monrovia, CA

#203357 Jul 18, 2013
Sweet Lindsey Graham has another stupid Republican idea, US should consider Olympic boycott over possible Snowden asylum in Russia.

Lindsey your better AT CREATING A MESS THAN CLEAING ONE UP!

Slot heads unite!
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#203358 Jul 18, 2013
Jonah1 wrote:
<quoted text>
1) Stating that "Mating behavior is completely irrelevant to the state issuing a marriage license" is not a rabid opinion, it's a bona fide statement of fact. It's demonstrable and provable.
2) Science has nothing to do with marriage. But don't let that stop you from pretending it does.
Smile!
"Smile!" Jonah1 said, with his jaw tightly clenched.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#203360 Jul 18, 2013
Jonah1 wrote:
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Let me help you; mating is irrelevant to the discussion of marriage. Even if it weren't, gays mate whether you like it or not. You don't get to make up your own definitions of what mating is.
<quoted text>
I highly doubt this figure, but in the end it's completely irrelevant.
<quoted text>
No one cares about cross cultural perspective. We only care about the perspective of the state. Cross cultures aren't issuing marriages, the state is. The state has no mandates as it relates to mating or procreation.
<quoted text>
Commonality is completely irrelevant. You are arguing "tradition". Sorry, that's not a valid argument when it relates to civil rights. Never has been and never will be. Your argument merely demonstrates your desperation.
<quoted text>
Face it c*nt, NOTHING you have stated has destroyed ANYTHING. Gays are still getting married, their marriages are equal to their heterosexual counterparts, laws are continuing to be changed in order to accommodate and regognize our marriages, and all your fundie twirls, lies and obfuscations about procreation, sterility, essences, anal sex, AIDS and anything else you try and bring into the conversation will never alter that.
You're a loser, fighting a losing battle, on a lost cause.
Oh, and you're ugly to boot.
"Let me help you" Jonah1 said, lapsing into a hateful ad hominem rant.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#203361 Jul 18, 2013
Poof wrote:
<quoted text>Here is an idea, why not add to the debate. All you seem to be able to muster are lame azz attempts at duplicating Brian_G. I find it odd for someone who supports gay rights and same sex marriage, you never debate KMare, Rock or any other person who objects to gay rights. Verry telling.
Jizzy said, adding nothing to the debate.
Bushmills Bob

Ventura, CA

#203362 Jul 18, 2013
Howdy folks,
what we are all forgetting here is that god has given his word that everyone is to be treated equally unless, UNLESS they is different. Now what we got to do is stop them what is different from trying to change us who are right in His eyes. That is what is got to be understood. No more whoop-de-doo, just do as you are told and there wont be no whuppin. Now god set this all up so we would know what is what and who runs things for him, and that dont at all require no fake higher education cause god's word is the highest education and we will deliver it as it comes up, just listen. That there jerk what called us Reichspublicans thought he was being funny and cutie-ooo. He is a different one for sure and never gone be equal. SO THERE. READ YOUR BIBLE, as directed by HIM.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#203363 Jul 18, 2013
Jonah1 wrote:
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1) Stating that "Mating behavior is completely irrelevant to the state issuing a marriage license" is not a rabid opinion, it's a bona fide statement of fact. It's demonstrable and provable.
2) Science has nothing to do with marriage. But don't let that stop you from pretending it does.
Smile!
I have been waiting for a copy of the marriage license that Rodents use, have not seen that yet :)

and yes, they are stepping on people I know, injured veterans unable to have children that married, elderly people who married without the ability to have children. They donít seem to understand that that the ability or intent to have children has never ever been a requirement for a marriage license.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#203364 Jul 18, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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First you falsely portrayed the first paragraph as a theory, now you try to distort again. You are so predictable.
The 'usually' simply notes rare exceptions which in no way invalidate the normal.
The first paragraph simply notes commonly held understanding by social scientists about marriage. It then proceeds to address a separate theory about short term relationships.
Keep twirling queen.
First, you don't seem to understand what this article was about.

Second, if you look at the title of the article, "Sexual Strategies THEORY: An Evolutionary Perspective on Human MATING" you'll see that the authors are clearly discussing a theory about mating; not marriage.

Next, you see to finally get the picture that what is "normal" does not indicate "universal". A professor of mine used to call these "escapees from the laws of averages". And since there are those couples who may choose MATES (not marriages--the topic is mating) based on Sexual Strategies THEORY (cannot emphasize that enough); there are also couples who choose to MATE (not marry) based on other values.

You lie and say that this article represents a "commonly held understanding by social scientists about marriage." It does not.

First off, two social scientists DO NOT represent the entire community.

And secondly, even the authors of this study discuss the shortcomings of their THEORY.

They say,ďAt the current stage, this theory is limited in several important respects: It does not identify all of the conditions affecting when men and women will pursue short-term versus long-term sexual strategies, it does not currently account for individual differences within sex, and it has not accrued empirical support for predictions about the adaptive problems confronted by both sexes as identifying cues to commitment.Ē

I will point out again (which you will ignore again) that this study does not evaluate those couples who marry or choose a partner with whom they have no intention of mating for the purposes of producing an offspring.

And this article does not address the millions of gay and lesbian couples around the world who also choose mates; just as heterosexual couples choose mates.

This is an article about choosing mates for the purposes of reproducing ONLY. It is not an article about marriage.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#203365 Jul 18, 2013
Big D wrote:
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I have been waiting for a copy of the marriage license that Rodents use, have not seen that yet :)
and yes, they are stepping on people I know, injured veterans unable to have children that married, elderly people who married without the ability to have children. They donít seem to understand that that the ability or intent to have children has never ever been a requirement for a marriage license.
You don't know even one "injured veteran unable to have children".

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#203366 Jul 18, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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Relax spice cake.
Bite me you gimp.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#203367 Jul 18, 2013
Big D wrote:
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I have been waiting for a copy of the marriage license that Rodents use...
You would.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#203368 Jul 18, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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Bite me you gimp.
VV ineffectively taunted.

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