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Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

There are 201811 comments on the www.cnn.com story from Aug 4, 2010, titled Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage. In it, www.cnn.com reports that:

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#203329 Jul 18, 2013
Rocky, you are on a roll!!!

Succinct and piercing!

“Crusading Fundies r hilarious!”

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#203331 Jul 18, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Anal sex is inherently harmful, unhealthy and demeaning. It is why it is considered illegal in many countries, and was here until recently.

Yawn. These are your unfounded opinions. Nothing more. What's illegal elsewhere or elsewhen is completely irrelevant. But don't let facts get in the way of your obsession over anal sex.
KiMare wrote:
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That medical fact has not changed,
You didn't state a medical fact, you stated unfounded opinions.
KiMare wrote:
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and is a major part of how AIDS originated in our country and spread.
Oh, now your going to try AIDS as your talking point. Got it. Yawn. AIDS originated in Africa at the turn of the century. It spread predominately through heterosexual sex and from mother to child for over 60 years before it ever entered the United States and the gay community. Since no one knew it existed, it was spread rapidly through the gay male community, mostly because males tend to have more recreational sex then women, especially in the 70s free love period. Your desire to blame victims for the spread of a disease they didn't know they had is repugnant.

And for the record, if it weren't for the fact that it did become predominant within the gay community, it would have taken decades longer to connect all the various opportunistic infections to each other and a common cause, so our ability to identify HIV as early as we did is in huge part due to the suffering of the early gay carriers. In addition, ALL the major organizations that exist today as related to AIDS prevention, AIDS care, and AIDS assistance were created by the gay community. So make sure to thank them for all the money they saved you in the long run.
KiMare wrote:
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THAT IS STILL COSTING ALL OF US IN MANY WAYS.
Was capitalizing it supposed to make us feel that you are suffering personally? Lot's of diseases cost us. Lots of unwanted pregnancies cost us. Lot's of things cost us. Get over it. The vast majority of people on this planet carrying HIV are straight people. And AIDS has absolutely nothing to due with marriage.
KiMare wrote:
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So take your self-righteous hissy fit and stuff it.
Right back at you, you ugly sanctimonious c*nt.

“Crusading Fundies r hilarious!”

Since: Feb 11

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#203333 Jul 18, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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However, there is life-long mating behavior among animals, marriage WITHOUT the law.
I see. So now you are going to refer to life-long mating as marriage. Got it.

BTW, those natural life-long mating behaviors among animals include homosexual mating, oh, excuse me, homosexual marriage WITHOUT law.

Smile.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#203335 Jul 18, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Let me help you;
"Mating is a human universal."
"All known societies have formal marriage alliances between MEN AND WOMEN (emphasis added)."
"More than 90% of all people in all societies marry at some point in their lives."
"In a cross cultural perspective, marriages are usually regarded as formal reproductive alliances (NOTE THE TIE-IN WITH CHILD BIRTH) that contain the features of (a) mutual obligation between husband and wife (NOTE THE GENDER DIVERSITY)(b) rights of sexual access (c) an expectation that marriage will persist through pregnancy, lactation, and child rearing and (d), and recognition of the legitimate status of the couple's children."
There is no 'theory' involved. There is simply a social science identified commonality that encompasses nearly all cross-cultural marriages. The rest of the article addresses their theory.
Face it queen, that single paragraph destroys virtually every claim gay twirl trolls like you make.
But girlfriend, you ALWAYS gloss over their use of the word "USUALLY" in the first paragraph. This indicates that NOT ALL marriages are regarded as formal reproductive alliances.

Why you don't get it is beyond me.

When a study is presented to a professional journal, every single word is scrutinized. I'm sure they didn't casually throw the word "usually" in their discussion.

And NOTHING in this article even addresses your claim that same-sex relationships or marriages are harmful to children.

You CANNOT draw conclusions from a study that the authors, themselves, did not draw.

Keep yammering, queen... Maybe you'll convince yourself.

Until David Buss and David Schmitt provide us with a study that directly deals with MARRIAGE--both gay and straight--and not mating behavior, you have no case.

“Crusading Fundies r hilarious!”

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#203336 Jul 18, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Here is the bottom line.
In the first paragraph, they verified my concise statement; Marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.
As to the rest of the content, I knew exactly where it went. As I noted with my first reference, I have chosen brief summaries that prove my statement.
You should take note of the practice of 'briefness'...
Again, you can find that statement in other articles regarding marriage and mating behavior.
No dear, HERE'S the bottom line. Mating behavior is completely irrelevant to the state issuing a marriage license. Always has been, always will be. All your precious articles regarding mating behavior will ALWAYS be irrelevant. Like you.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#203337 Jul 18, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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It is simply stupid to call a mutually sterile, duplicate gendered half of marriage, marriage.
Clearly not the same.
It's simply stupid to continue to make claims that have no basis in legal fact.

I'll bet you just bark at the moon when you see more and more states and countries pass marriage equality laws.

The TOP queen gave her official approval for same-sex marriage in the U.K. yesterday.

LONG LIVE THE QUEEN!!

“Sara for Fun (( M 2 F ))”

Since: Aug 10

Bahrain

#203338 Jul 18, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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It's simply stupid to continue to make claims that have no basis in legal fact.
I'll bet you just bark at the moon when you see more and more states and countries pass marriage equality laws.
The TOP queen gave her official approval for same-sex marriage in the U.K. yesterday.
LONG LIVE THE QUEEN!!
LONG LIVE THE QUEEN!!

“Crusading Fundies r hilarious!”

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#203339 Jul 18, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Let me help you;
"Mating is a human universal."
Let me help you; mating is irrelevant to the discussion of marriage. Even if it weren't, gays mate whether you like it or not. You don't get to make up your own definitions of what mating is.
KiMare wrote:
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"All known societies have formal marriage alliances between MEN AND WOMEN (emphasis added)."
Many known societies have formal marriage alliances between men and men and between women and women. The number of these "societies" continues to grow and won't be stopping. NO EMPHASIS NEEDED.

[QUOTE who="KiMare"]<quo ted text>
"More than 90% of all people in all societies marry at some point in their lives."
I highly doubt this figure, but in the end it's completely irrelevant.
KiMare wrote:
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"In a cross cultural perspective, marriages are usually regarded as formal reproductive alliances (NOTE THE TIE-IN WITH CHILD BIRTH) that contain the features of (a) mutual obligation between husband and wife (NOTE THE GENDER DIVERSITY)(b) rights of sexual access (c) an expectation that marriage will persist through pregnancy, lactation, and child rearing and (d), and recognition of the legitimate status of the couple's children."
No one cares about cross cultural perspective. We only care about the perspective of the state. Cross cultures aren't issuing marriages, the state is. The state has no mandates as it relates to mating or procreation.
KiMare wrote:
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There is no 'theory' involved. There is simply a social science identified commonality that encompasses nearly all cross-cultural marriages. The rest of the article addresses their theory.
Commonality is completely irrelevant. You are arguing "tradition". Sorry, that's not a valid argument when it relates to civil rights. Never has been and never will be. Your argument merely demonstrates your desperation.
KiMare wrote:
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Face it queen, that single paragraph destroys virtually every claim gay twirl trolls like you make.
Face it c*nt, NOTHING you have stated has destroyed ANYTHING. Gays are still getting married, their marriages are equal to their heterosexual counterparts, laws are continuing to be changed in order to accommodate and regognize our marriages, and all your fundie twirls, lies and obfuscations about procreation, sterility, essences, anal sex, AIDS and anything else you try and bring into the conversation will never alter that.

You're a loser, fighting a losing battle, on a lost cause.

Oh, and you're ugly to boot.

“Crusading Fundies r hilarious!”

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#203340 Jul 18, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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It is simply stupid to call a mutually sterile, duplicate gendered half of marriage, marriage.
Clearly not the same.
No, what's stupid is continuing to reference things that don't really exist. Like "half a marriage". That's what's really stupid.

One can only assume that you find your "arguments" from the same fundie store as the village idiot, Brian_G. You sound more and more like him everyday. And by like him, I mean, idiotic and desperate.

“Crusading Fundies r hilarious!”

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#203341 Jul 18, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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A gay troll fishing...
A fundie c*nt being agitative.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#203342 Jul 18, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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But girlfriend, you ALWAYS gloss over their use of the word "USUALLY" in the first paragraph. This indicates that NOT ALL marriages are regarded as formal reproductive alliances.
Why you don't get it is beyond me.
When a study is presented to a professional journal, every single word is scrutinized. I'm sure they didn't casually throw the word "usually" in their discussion.
And NOTHING in this article even addresses your claim that same-sex relationships or marriages are harmful to children.
You CANNOT draw conclusions from a study that the authors, themselves, did not draw.
Keep yammering, queen... Maybe you'll convince yourself.
Until David Buss and David Schmitt provide us with a study that directly deals with MARRIAGE--both gay and straight--and not mating behavior, you have no case.
First you falsely portrayed the first paragraph as a theory, now you try to distort again. You are so predictable.

The 'usually' simply notes rare exceptions which in no way invalidate the normal.

The first paragraph simply notes commonly held understanding by social scientists about marriage. It then proceeds to address a separate theory about short term relationships.

Keep twirling queen.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#203343 Jul 18, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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It's simply stupid to continue to make claims that have no basis in legal fact.
I'll bet you just bark at the moon when you see more and more states and countries pass marriage equality laws.
The TOP queen gave her official approval for same-sex marriage in the U.K. yesterday.
LONG LIVE THE QUEEN!!
I made no claim about a purported 'legal' fact.

I simply noted reality: SS couples will only evert be a mutually sterile duplicate gendered half of marriage.

Even a Queen can't change that.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#203344 Jul 18, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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I made no claim about a purported 'legal' fact.
I simply noted reality: SS couples will only evert be a mutually sterile duplicate gendered half of marriage.
Even a Queen can't change that.
Lets see

The legal facts ( which you ignore are )

Animals ( other than man ) do not have marriage contracts

Precreation is not now nor has ever been a requirement for a marriage license

Mating behavior is not stipulated on a marriage contract

Same sex couples are legally married and recognized on both the state and federal level

Some people can and do have children regardless of marital status ( and always have )

People raise children regardless of their biological connection to the child ( I have 3 myself that I raised that were not biologically mine, however they all call me Dad )
Bob

San Francisco, CA

#203345 Jul 18, 2013
Jess wrote:
Woohoo!!
RANKIN THE. MORON lives in O.C.
The O. C. Times, they called him that
'Cause he's not authentic like me.
Yeah, the guy from the O.C. paper
Said he makes druggies feel good
They'll vote for him, and not for me

See, real druggies , liars and thieves like RANKIN
Or me, or informed
Have talked the talk, and walked the walk.
Not come in late and won!

[refrain]

Oh, RANKIN THE MORON lives in O.C.
The O.C. Times, they called him that

'Cause he's moron but not authentically.
Oh, Rankin the Coward lives in O.C.
The O.C. Times, they called him that
'Cause he's slander , but not authentically.
Some say RANKIN. "articulate"
And bright and new and "clean."
The druggies sure loves this guy,
A instigator interloper's dream!
But, when you vote for a FOOL
Watch out, and don't be fooled!
Don't vote the RANKIN THE LIAR in -
'Cause 'cause I won't have nothing after all these years of sacrifice
And I won't get justice. This is about justice. This isn't about me, it's about justice.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#203347 Jul 18, 2013
Jonah1 wrote:
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I see. So now you are going to refer to life-long mating as marriage. Got it.
BTW, those natural life-long mating behaviors among animals include homosexual mating, oh, excuse me, homosexual marriage WITHOUT law.
Smile.
I inferred no such thing. I simply noted that the law is not required for life long mating or marriage

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#203348 Jul 18, 2013
Jonah1 wrote:
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No dear, HERE'S the bottom line. Mating behavior is completely irrelevant to the state issuing a marriage license. Always has been, always will be. All your precious articles regarding mating behavior will ALWAYS be irrelevant. Like you.
Well lets see, it is your rabid opinion vs science.
Mikey

Fullerton, CA

#203349 Jul 18, 2013
Rocky Hudsony wrote:
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Aww. Yes, in general. You suck.
Silly bigoted POS, I don't suck I blow...

“Crusading Fundies r hilarious!”

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#203350 Jul 18, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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I simply noted reality: SS couples will only evert be a mutually sterile duplicate gendered half of marriage.
That's not reality, that's made up fantasy fundie-land. Look, we get it, you don't want to accept our marriages. No one cares. your acceptance is about as important as the acceptance of donkey. Your lack of acceptance doesn't make them any less real, it just publically demonstrates how juvenile you are.

Now, you run along with your pouty face, and you stomp your feet all day long! Your very poorly created opinions don't trump facts.

Your imaginary "half marriages" and "mutual sterility" and "essences" and obsession with anal sex demonstrate NOTHING, other than your complete and utter stupidity.

Smile ugly! We love when fundies throw themselves into public arguments about which they know nothing other than their beliefs!! Nothing shows you all off for what you are more than that!!!

“Crusading Fundies r hilarious!”

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#203351 Jul 18, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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I inferred no such thing.
Ah, yes you did. I realize with the tremendous amount of lying and fundie-twirling that you do, it's easy for you to lose track.

http://www.topix.com/forum/san-diego/TH6FC2NT...
"However, there is life-long mating behavior among animals, marriage WITHOUT the law."

See kumquat, you explicitly implied it. You called "life-long mating behavior" "marriage" WITHOUT the law.
KiMare wrote:
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I simply noted that the law is not required for life long mating or marriage
Um, yes dear, the law is required for marriage. Marriage is a legal institution. It is not recognized without the law. It is however, not required for mating. Mating and marriage are two different things. Neither are dependent upon the other. And that fact will always be the thorn in your nonsense.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#203352 Jul 18, 2013
Jonah1 wrote:
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That's not reality, that's made up fantasy fundie-land. Look, we get it, you don't want to accept our marriages. No one cares. your acceptance is about as important as the acceptance of donkey. Your lack of acceptance doesn't make them any less real, it just publically demonstrates how juvenile you are.
Now, you run along with your pouty face, and you stomp your feet all day long! Your very poorly created opinions don't trump facts.
Your imaginary "half marriages" and "mutual sterility" and "essences" and obsession with anal sex demonstrate NOTHING, other than your complete and utter stupidity.
Smile ugly! We love when fundies throw themselves into public arguments about which they know nothing other than their beliefs!! Nothing shows you all off for what you are more than that!!!
Try to relax fruitloops.

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