Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 | Posted by: Topix | Full story: www.cnn.com

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Lulu predicted this outcome over a year ago.

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Polygamists and their supporters celebrated Wednesday, saying they see implications for their cause in the Supreme Court’s ruling on the Defense of Marriage Act.
Just hours after the court ruled that DOMA was unconstitutional, Joe Darger said he and his family were pleased. Darger, who with his three wives detailed their life in the book "Love Times Three: Our True Story of a Polygamous Marriage," said the ruling should help remedy polygamists’ treatment as "second-class citizens."
"The government," he said, "can’t single out a single class of people for favorable or unfavorable treatment."
Darger added that he believes the decision also will influence the high-profile Brown case, which is pending in Utah before federal Judge Clark Waddoups. In that case, the polygamous Brown family — which is well known from the TV show "Sister Wives" — is suing to strike down the statute that makes bigamy a third-degree felony.
Darger speculated that Waddoups was waiting for the Supreme Court’s ruling to make a decision in the case. In light of DOMA’s demise, Darger said, he expects a favorable ruling for the Browns and practitioners of plural marriage.
"This gives Waddoups all the ammunition he needs," Darger added.
Lawyers from the Utah attorney general’s office, which is defending the state against the Browns, did not return calls seeking comment Wednesday. Assistant Attorney General Jerrold Jensen argued in a January hearing that polygamy should remain a criminal offense because practitioners use the word "marriage" to describe their relationships. Jensen also said polygamy is replete with examples of abuse and that every state has laws making it illegal.
Jonathan Turley, the Washington ,D.C.-based lawyer representing the Browns, said the DOMA ruling may not have significant applicability in the case, though he pointed out Justice Anthony Kennedy emphasized the "limited right of the federal government in treating couples differently once they have been recognized as married by a state."
Attorney Ken Driggs, who has studied and written about polygamy, further explained that there are two major issues facing polygamists: decriminalization of their lifestyle and legal recognition of their marriages. He said most practicing polygamists simply want decriminalization.
According to Turley, Wednesday’s decisions will have limited impact on decriminalization. Turley explained that the issue surrounding the DOMA and Proposition 8 rulings was the legal recognition of certain kinds of relationships, not criminalization.
"Our case is about the criminalization of relationships, rather than the recognition," Turley added. "What does help us is the reaffirmation of the court that these relationships are protected by due process."
Perhaps the most significant development in regards to polygamy, Turley explained, was the court’s shift away from morality as a justification of law.
"Only Justice [Antonin] Scalia and Justice [Clarence] Thomas," he said, "continued to argue in favor of morality legislation."
Driggs said that, while the rulings may be beneficial, "plural marriage is a big step beyond anything in these opinions."
Give it up.

Nobody is buying that crap.
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WasteWater wrote:
Lulu predicted this outcome over a year ago.
Lulu Rocks.
Congratulations toots! You rock.

It's a day for celebration why are some of these jackasses so mad at me? Fun!
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Give it up.
Nobody is buying that crap.
I buy it. It's not crap. Polygamy deserves the same respect and consideration as SSM.
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KiMare wrote: Most of the gays I know are embarrASSed by gay 'pride' parades. That's what I mean by normal gays Queen.
Read more at http://www.topix.com/forum/news/gay/TH6FC2NTH...
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Wish all you want, I still wouldn't be available to you.
What still doesn't change is the debauchery of those parades that disqualifies gays of representing marriage or family. It only accentuates the brokenness of homosexuality.
Nor does it change the fact that ss couples will only ever be a mutually sterile, pointlessly duplicate gendered half of marriage.
No suspicion, just reality.
Plenty of straight people engage in debauchery. I assume that means they are not qualified to represent marriage? I assume that accentuates the brokenness of heterosexuality?
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xolo wrote:
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You just failed again and do not even realize it.
No I didn't. You don't make sense. Stop trying to be cute. You're not good at it.

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WasteWater wrote:
Lulu predicted this outcome over a year ago.
Lulu Rocks.
Give it up, I don't think she likes guys.

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xolo wrote:
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That is a good question. Why is the government involved at all in relationships? I don't know the answer.
Besides being very insecure, you ask the dumbest questions....LOL...keep it up...LOL
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No I didn't. You don't make sense. Stop trying to be cute. You're not good at it.
You are not good at having a discussion, which you claim to want to have. You make no sense. You have run out of topics, other than silly little jabs. Move on. Next.

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You are not good at having a discussion, which you claim to want to have. You make no sense. You have run out of topics, other than silly little jabs. Move on. Next.
I'd really wish you would stop impersonating Ronald, be a man, be yourself. If you are that clueless as to what Frankie is standing up for, then you need to stay out of it. Polygamy marriage has been around long before you got married.
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<quoted text>I'd really wish you would stop impersonating Ronald, be a man, be yourself. If you are that clueless as to what Frankie is standing up for, then you need to stay out of it. Polygamy marriage has been around long before you got married.
Huh? Obviously you are confusing me with another poster. Trust me, I am always myself :)
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RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>Besides being very insecure, you ask the dumbest questions....LOL...keep it up...LOL
I am not insecure. But you obviously are. Bullies are like that. They have poor social and communications skills also. Like you.

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I am not insecure. But you obviously are. Bullies are like that. They have poor social and communications skills also. Like you.
Like you.
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<quoted text>Like you.
Now you're just projecting your own insecurities and internal issues onto others. You just proved my point. Thanks.
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xolo wrote:
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You are not good at having a discussion, which you claim to want to have. You make no sense. You have run out of topics, other than silly little jabs. Move on. Next.
Polygamy deserves the same respect that same sex marriage does. Spin that, troll.

Next.
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I am not insecure. But you obviously are. Bullies are like that. They have poor social and communications skills also. Like you.
Talk about silly inane jabs. That's all you've got tough guy.
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xolo wrote:
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I am not insecure. But you obviously are. Bullies are like that. They have poor social and communications skills also. Like you.
Now you're just projecting your own insecurities and internal issues onto others. You just proved my point. Thanks.
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xolo wrote:
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Plenty of straight people engage in debauchery. I assume that means they are not qualified to represent marriage? I assume that accentuates the brokenness of heterosexuality?
You are not good at having a discussion, which you claim to want to have. You make no sense. You have run out of topics, other than silly little jabs. Move on. Next.
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xolo wrote:
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That is a good question. Why is the government involved at all in relationships? I don't know the answer.
Please look in the mirror. You need to address your internal issues and realize that you are really lashing out at yourself over and over again. Try to figure out why...your life will be much better once you get over what is troubling you. I hope you feel better soon! Peace.
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I don't have anything to spin. And was it necessary to add the word "troll"? That is typical bully behavior. Why are you so angry? It's just a discussion forum.

Regarding polygamy, I really don't care what people do as long as they're not harming me or others.

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