Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 Full story: www.cnn.com 201,038

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Big D

Modesto, CA

#196676 Jun 19, 2013
the Mark Spitz Dancers wrote:
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A ceremony is a ritual, and animals are VERY ritualistic, very ceremonious in their own fashion (their dances and their waggles and their songs) and since homosexuals are mostly regressive animals...
So what was your point again?
I get the feeling that you're stuttering and stammering as you write. You don't really believe what you're saying, do you?
Those are mating dances, happens homosexually in animals too, thank you for making my point :)

Not at all, I actually know what I am talking about
F gate

Monrovia, CA

#196677 Jun 19, 2013
Another B.S. flood gate has been left opened.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#196678 Jun 19, 2013
Big D wrote:
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Oh you can find nut jobs that think anything from an evolutionary standpoint, Hitler for example, but the money is coming from the religious.
People that actually know something about evolution know better than what you have been saying., You are stretching to find a reason to not support it.
No animals other than man marry, there are some that are monogamous ( generally not man )but they donít have a legal marriage ceremony, so that kind of tosses all your arguments out the window from a marriage perspective.
As far as homosexuality is concerned there are dozens of documented species that include homosexuality, so that tosses out the whole natural argument.
A nut job is the person thinking religion is supporting evolution.

However, please be specific about how the essence of marriage is different from what I quoted from social science.

Marriage is a cultural constraint, animals do not equate regarding marriage.

Animals engage in same sex sexual behavior, very few actually practice homosexuality. However, if that justifies homosexuality, then dogs lick butts and eat shit. Just where do you want to go with this?
Big D

Modesto, CA

#196680 Jun 19, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
A nut job is the person thinking religion is supporting evolution.
However, please be specific about how the essence of marriage is different from what I quoted from social science.
Marriage is a cultural constraint, animals do not equate regarding marriage.
Animals engage in same sex sexual behavior, very few actually practice homosexuality. However, if that justifies homosexuality, then dogs lick butts and eat shit. Just where do you want to go with this?
I never said it was, I said it was supporting the fight against same sex marriage.

There is no place I have to go with anything, it is obvious that your conclusions about evolution are simply wrong.

The institution of marriage is a government contract, a legal contract, nothing more. What each person makes of their own marriage is a personal affair. No one needs your approval any more than you need my approval.

Marriage is not found in the history of the evolution of species at all, it is a human legal construct.
Ityss

Monrovia, CA

#196681 Jun 19, 2013
Ya got to love those Italians in Italy if they can't convict you in the first two (2) trials why not try to in a third (3).

Italian court: Amanda Knox must be retried

After Amanda Knox and her former boyfriend Raffaelle Sollecito were convicted and then acquitted of murdering Meredith Kercher, the Italian court system will now re-try the case, saying more evidence should have been considered.
laughing man

UK

#196682 Jun 19, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text> However, if that justifies homosexuality, then dogs lick butts and eat shit. Just where do you want to go with this?
She's wanting a Tony Award!
Wino s

Monrovia, CA

#196684 Jun 19, 2013
Italian court: Amanda Knox must be retried

After Amanda Knox and her former boyfriend Raffaelle Sollecito were convicted and then acquitted of murdering Meredith Kercher, the Italian court system will now re-try the case, saying more evidence should have been considered.

Just like a bunch of Italian wino judges.
Bruno

Westminster, CA

#196686 Jun 19, 2013
Zoro wrote:
<quoted text>So Frank do you think it was right of the voters in Cali. to out law same sex marriage, after the right had been granted to gays and lesbians? Personaly I think the Judge was correct in overturning the ban based on the US Constitution. I am sure that SCOTUS will back up the Judge and reinstate same sex marriage in California. What about you?
lol .. the gay cult has been saying this for years now, and it still hasn't happened. Californiea is the only state so far to stand strong even though it is host to the Gay Cult capitol of the nation, San Fransico. There must be a very good reason for this stand off!!! not even Rose Ho can figure this one out ... lol
Big D

Modesto, CA

#196688 Jun 19, 2013
Bruno wrote:
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lol .. the gay cult has been saying this for years now, and it still hasn't happened. Californiea is the only state so far to stand strong even though it is host to the Gay Cult capitol of the nation, San Fransico. There must be a very good reason for this stand off!!! not even Rose Ho can figure this one out ... lol
You are a tad behind in the news.

The state of California has overturned Prop 8, and the defenders lost their appeal in the appellate court in California.

A stay has been put on the overturn until the ruling is appealed in the supreme court.

A vote today in California would overturn Prop 8 in a walk

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#196689 Jun 19, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
I never said it was, I said it was supporting the fight against same sex marriage.
There is no place I have to go with anything, it is obvious that your conclusions about evolution are simply wrong.
The institution of marriage is a government contract, a legal contract, nothing more. What each person makes of their own marriage is a personal affair. No one needs your approval any more than you need my approval.
Marriage is not found in the history of the evolution of species at all, it is a human legal construct.
Just how is religion financing those on here, against SS couples imposing an impostor relationship on marriage?

So it is simply YOUR opinion that my quote of the social science essence of marriage is wrong. And you can't specifically state why.

On a gay would limit marriage to a legal contract.

That marriage is a human construct is exactly what I said. And, if it were not for mating behavior consequences, it would disappear.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#196690 Jun 19, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Just how is religion financing those on here, against SS couples imposing an impostor relationship on marriage?
So it is simply YOUR opinion that my quote of the social science essence of marriage is wrong. And you can't specifically state why.
On a gay would limit marriage to a legal contract.
That marriage is a human construct is exactly what I said. And, if it were not for mating behavior consequences, it would disappear.
It is your opinion ( which counts for nothing ) that they are imposter relationships, I have more respect for their marriages than I have for your fearful little marriage.

The point is, that marriage is a legal contract, anything more than that is in the mind of those who marry. My own marriage means more to me than just the legal contract, I know others who think less of theirs. But my opinion of theirs is meaningless, just as your opinion of same sex marriages is meaningless.
Bruno

Westminster, CA

#196692 Jun 19, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
You are a tad behind in the news.
The state of California has overturned Prop 8, and the defenders lost their appeal in the appellate court in California.
A stay has been put on the overturn until the ruling is appealed in the supreme court.
A vote today in California would overturn Prop 8 in a walk
And you are a tad behind in reality.
Bruno

Westminster, CA

#196694 Jun 19, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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Third rate jackass says what?
You are too dumb to understand, so STFU

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#196698 Jun 19, 2013
Rock Hudson wrote:
<quoted text>
Loopholes. Marriage was never intended to validate sexual unions, or to create funding for couplings that consist of unnatural mating practices.
Loopholes.
SSM is about expanding the abilities of gays to gain benefits that were never intended for them.
We've been marching on a path towards equality and freedom since the American Revolution.

Freedom and equality is like the mythical monster, Hydra. Each time you cut off one head, two more grow back in its place.

Each time we feel that we've established freedom and equality for a particular group in this country, we see another group (or groups) of people who do not have access to certain rights that others take for granted.

You say that the benefits of marriage were not intended for gays. I say they were. They've been intended for gays since the foundation of this country.

However, it has taken over two-centuries for society to recognize this oversight. That's why you're seeing states pass laws to level the playing field for gays. That's why we're fighting in the courts to level the playing field. That's why we're educating the public about why the we need to level the playing field.

It will be level eventually. As you look around our country and at other countries, you can clearly see that the handwriting is on the wall. Equality WILL happen.

It hasn't been an easy process. Major change in ideology is never easy. There will be growing pains.

But that does not deter us from fighting for our rights.

“Building Better Worlds”

Since: May 13

Europa

#196699 Jun 19, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
A Greek and Italian were arguing over who had the superior culture.
The Greek says, "We have the Parthenon."
Arching his eyebrows, the Italian replies, "We have the Coliseum."
The Greek retorts, "We Greeks gave birth to advanced mathematics"
The Italian, nodding agreement, says, "But we built the Roman Empire."
And so on and so on until the Greek comes up with what he thinks will end the discussion. With a flourish of finality he says, "We invented sex!"
The Italian replies, "That is true, but it was the Italians who introduced it to women."
YUK!YUK!YUK!
And THUS began the downfall of mankind......
laughing man

UK

#196700 Jun 19, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
A Greek and Italian were arguing over who had the superior culture.
The Greek says, "We have the Parthenon."
Arching his eyebrows, the Italian replies, "We have the Coliseum."
The Greek retorts, "We Greeks gave birth to advanced mathematics"
The Italian, nodding agreement, says, "But we built the Roman Empire."
And so on and so on until the Greek comes up with what he thinks will end the discussion. With a flourish of finality he says, "We invented sex!"
The Italian replies, "That is true, but it was the Italians who introduced it to women."
YUK!YUK!YUK!
That's it, game over. Shut the thread down.
Bruno

Westminster, CA

#196701 Jun 19, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
You are a tad behind in the news.
The state of California has overturned Prop 8, and the defenders lost their appeal in the appellate court in California.
A stay has been put on the overturn until the ruling is appealed in the supreme court.
A vote today in California would overturn Prop 8 in a walk
You are correct about one thing, no make that two things:
the defenders lost their appeal, but you still can't marry in California, and a vote today?? hmmm you have neen saying this since the appeal. it is a long long long walk I hop e you have good walking shoes. Your today in no where in sight
Big D

Modesto, CA

#196702 Jun 19, 2013
Bruno wrote:
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And you are a tad behind in reality.
No what I said was fact

Prop 8 has been overturned, but a stay was put on the decision for appeals

Prop 8 lost its appeal in the appellate court, but a stay was put on that confirmation that Prop 8 is overturned as it was appealed to the supreme court

Every poll, even ones owned by Faux news shows that the support in California is now very much in favor of same sex marriage.

That is the reality

Prop 8 is doomed no matter what the supreme court decides either this week or next, it will just take a little longer ( a year ) if they overturn the appeal, which is unlikely.

The most likely outcome is that they will dismiss the appeal as improvidently granted as the supporters of Prop 8 have no standing to defend it. Which will push it back to the state of California which has already overturned Prop 8
Big D

Modesto, CA

#196703 Jun 19, 2013
Bruno wrote:
<quoted text>
You are correct about one thing, no make that two things:
the defenders lost their appeal, but you still can't marry in California, and a vote today?? hmmm you have neen saying this since the appeal. it is a long long long walk I hop e you have good walking shoes. Your today in no where in sight
Well it wont affect me, I donít happen to be gay, but as a patriot our freedoms are important to me.

I personally believe they will make the right decision, however I also personally think the supreme court will chicken out ( not make a grand statement ) and just kick it back to the state which has already overturned it. Perhaps I should give them a break, maybe it isnít chickening out, but more of a "let the states sort this out themselves" gesture.

DOMA is the more important decision, if they strike down section 3 ( which is a good bet that they will ) that means federal recognition of Same sex marriage... that is a huge step.

Or, Nv, and now Az are all three on the path with California to overturn their bans as well.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#196704 Jun 19, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Just how is religion financing those on here, against SS couples imposing an impostor relationship on marriage?
So it is simply YOUR opinion that my quote of the social science essence of marriage is wrong. And you can't specifically state why.
On a gay would limit marriage to a legal contract.
That marriage is a human construct is exactly what I said. And, if it were not for mating behavior consequences, it would disappear.
Your OPINION that marriage has always been a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior is an OPINION because it is contrived.

You have never shown a shred of evidence that social scientists, anthropologists, or any other credible scientific field of study supports your conclusion.

In other words, you simply made it up.

I've tried to take your definition apart, piece by piece to try to understand just what in the hell you're saying. But it makes no sense.

You have said in the past that marriage constrains primarily the husband from going out and impregnating multiple women. You've said that throughout history and in every culture, marriage has always been, from beginning to end, between a man and a woman.

I've given you examples of why people marry in contemporary society. Not all marriages are based on evolution of the species. Not all marriages are between men and women. Not all marriages are monogamous (as Frankie constantly claims).

Based on these few facts alone, your definition of marriage is false.

You are not a scientist. You certainly don't have an expertise in marriage. Standing at an alter and joining a couple in holy (not legal) matrimony DOES NOT mean that you fully understand why people marry one another.

Some marriages are born of love, others from greed, others based on attractiveness, others due to family pressure, and so on. Some marriages result in offspring, some do not.

There is no single definition of marriage.

You simply come here in an attempt to hijack the institution based on your own personal beliefs and OPINIONS.

Face it, Kim, you're just another tiny voice, screaming into oblivion, hoping to be heard. Some will agree with you. But many do not.

"Marriage" is not yours to define. Our government legally defines marriage. And based on the jurisdiction in which you live, the legal definition of marriage will differ.

We are NOT interested in your OPINION about what marriage means to you. That's not what the LGBT community is fighting for.

As tax-paying, law-abiding, citizens of this country, we believe that we are entitled to the rights and protections of marriage that others already enjoy.

That's our message. And it's being heard AND accepted by more and more each day.

At this point in the game, we are winning. Who knows... In a few generations marriage equality for gays and lesbians may be repealed. The world's societies may collectively enter into an era of that takes all of us back to a time when freedom and equal rights were not valued by societies.

But for now, this is where we are. Like it or not, same-sex marriage will be legalized in this country--in the county where you live. You are powerless to stop the momentum.

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