Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

There are 20 comments on the www.cnn.com story from Aug 4, 2010, titled Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage. In it, www.cnn.com reports that:

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Big D

Modesto, CA

#193673 May 29, 2013
Same sex marriage will lead to polygamy!

Same sex marriage will lead to marrying your sister!

Same sex marriage will lead to marriage with animals!

Same sex marriage causes global warming!

Same sex mirage causes toast to fall buttered side down!

It was the proponents of same sex marriage that faked the moon landings!

It will get more and more pathetic as time marches on, and in the end when the have totally lost they will blame every natural disaster as a punishment from their imaginary playmate.

But the world has grown up, a little bit anyway, and their screaming at the top of their lungs looks more and more like ignorant fanatics, and politically, they will be nothing but the butt of jokes.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#193674 May 29, 2013
Adam Mosh wrote:
I have always thought this argument was stemming from a false dichotomy. Marriage licenses came about because of miscegenation laws - do any of you realize that?
When my grandmother got married, she went to a church and got married. There was no marriage license, there was no government intervention. She didn't get a tax advantage or a tax hit. The government had nothing to do with it.
I am trying to figure out why people think it's acceptable for the GOVERNMENT to even recognize marriage at all.
Sure there are obligations when you get married, and there are privileges as well such as a power of attorney if you spouse gets seriously ill, or visitations rights, etc.
It should just be contract law and marriage should be entirely based up to the individuals involved. It's none of the government's business who you are in a relationship with - it's just you, and the people you have a relationship with.
You shouldn't get a tax penalty, or a tax supplement for being married. You shouldn't get advantages or disadvantages for being married. Why should the government be involved at all in relationships at all?
But we have this dumb debate that's a carry over from a bunch of laws created by the Klu Klux Klan in segregated America.
Meanwhile, the country has a debt of 16.7 trillion dollars, raises less than 16% of that per year in tax revenue, is involved in one war directly, is agitating one in Syria, wants to go to war with Iran, is still occupying Iraq with a bunch of mercenaries, has signed the NDAA which eliminates 5th amendment rights, is phonetapping the entire country,
But this is the "BIG DEBATE" at the moment. The cause du jour.
Maybe we can start arguing about flag burning, and school prayer next? I mean, that's more important than fundamental constitutional rights and the solvency of the nation - isn't it??
I think freedom and equality in a country that holds itself up as "the" country of freedom and equality are more important than a temporary debt scenario.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#193675 May 29, 2013
Adam Mosh wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep.
Why should anybody care? Heck, in Sparta women had to dress like boys when introduced to their husbands, because in Sparta, the state thought homosexuality was great - after all, you're more likely to fight more fiercely when your sexual partner's life was also at risk. Men just weren't used to women in that culture.
Hinduism mentions marriage, it's the oldest religion in the world that is still practiced. Of course, in that religion, widows were expected to commit suicide by throwing themselves on the funeral pyre.
Does this have anything to do with our nation today? No. Does this relate to the "debate" about gay marriage? No.
Marriage in all cultures was basically a social contract to create and raise children as near as I can tell historically. That kind of went out with the 1960's "sexual revolution" when single parent families suddenly became acceptable. If that's culturally OK today, then why even have state marriage at all? What purpose does it serve?
It's just a freaking word. Why homosexual couples want is the associated contract law - and they can all their union anything they please.
Just settle this STUPID ISSUE and move on.
OK, I'm nearly done ranting. Just this whole thing just totally vexes me. So tired of people trying to get the government in on EVERYTHING. When the government manages to balance their budget, then they might have the right to dictate to everybody what should and shouldn't be done in their PERSONAL lives - but to me, they are just a bunch of power hungry incompetents with a bunch of mewling babies screaming at it like it's a parent or something.
These group of morons distract you with a shiny object and you run with it while another trillion dollars is dropped down a hole to a bunch of criminals in the financial sector, and you don't even know it and you run with it for YEARS. The abortion "issue", the flag burning "issue", the school prayer "issue". blah blah blah blah blah.
But back to the vitally important issue of gay marriage again. Why does NFL MVP Adrian Peterson think about it? ANS: WHO CARES?
But it's in the "news".
Got any idea what bills are in Congress right now and how your representative plans to vote on them? Why that garbage doesn't belong in our media at all!!! Does it? Hey, can you even name ONE BILL that has been passed into law this year? Gee, that isn't covered in our "media". Guess that doesn't effect anybody in the US - why cover it?
Back to this important issue of Gay Marriage. What does Oprah think?
You're a twit.

It's not about "the news" and there is no economic scenario that will affect my life more than simple legal recognition of my already existing marriage.

And if it has to directly involve you for you to understand the importance of it then you are defective as a human being, and/or a Republican.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#193676 May 29, 2013
KiMare wrote:
KiMare wrote:
The Minnesota law highlights further implications of marriage redefinition in the law. For example, the law states that terms such as “husband,”“wife,”“mother,” and “father” that denote spousal and familial relationships in Minnesota law are to apply equally to persons in an opposite-sex or same-sex relationship.
The law also states that “parentage presumptions based on civil marriage” will also apply, thus allowing for children to have two mothers or two fathers.
http://www.catholicismusa.com/minnesota -
legislature-approves-gay-marri age-eliminates-
legal-status-of-mother-as-biol ogical-term/
<quoted text>
Thank you for a great example;
Society for too long denied that Blacks were people because of their skin color.
Now we are attempting to deny that moms/dads are unique and significant roles.
Every person in existence has only ever one real mother and father. Never two, and always both.
You want to make them meaningless. A zero. Must make your mom and dad proud...
Smart people aren't threatened by such nonsense.

My husband and I are both called "husband." Neither of us are confused by that.

When kids have two Dads, they often differentiate (for the sake of being practical) much the same way they differentiate between what they call their Grandfathers, i.e. calling one "Dad" and the other "Pop," for example. Nobody is confused by that, either.

Raise your standards.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#193677 May 29, 2013
Tony C wrote:
<quoted text>
I think freedom and equality in a country that holds itself up as "the" country of freedom and equality are more important than a temporary debt scenario.
Ya think?

It never ceases to amaze me how many people in this country, don’t actually believe in the values of this country.

You are right, freedom and equality are more important
Dorn

La Puente, CA

#193678 May 29, 2013
Veryvermillian said:
"A 1995 National Health and Social Life Survey by E.O. Lauman found that up to nine million children in America have gay or lesbian parents."
You'd think that out of 9,000,000 children who were raised by a gay or lesbian parent, there might be a SIGNIFICANT finding, which would make them easily identifiable as having been raised by a gay or lesbian person.
----------
Also: Many children have one "in the closet" gay parent.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#193679 May 29, 2013
Marram wrote:
<quoted text>
Your hater is showing, that’s it get all childish when your slapped down, biotch. You’re nothing but a poser and a liar.
Wasn't my post. Check the location dummy. It was the gay troll from L.A.

Anyway, Danth's Law. You haven't slapped down anything except your little pud. You're a liar and a coward. You're also stupid.

Hope that helps.
Poles away

Covina, CA

#193680 May 29, 2013
May 29, 2013 Leave it to New York to mess things up, again.

Part-time workers at the city's Parks Department stripped and pole-danced at agency holiday parties in exchange for permanent jobs.

Several female staffers allege routine sexual harassment by their supervisors, according to complaints and texts under review by city investigators.

Like that's going to make a difference, the investigators were probably in on it from the beginning.

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

St. Louis, MO

#193681 May 29, 2013
Adam Mosh wrote:
It should just be contract law and marriage should be entirely based up to the individuals involved. It's none of the government's business who you are in a relationship with - it's just you, and the people you have a relationship with.
You say in one post that government should not be involved in marriage, and then you make the above claim. Who do you think enforces those contracts? It's government. And who becomes responsible to settle disputes if government is not involved? Who is responsible for the welfare of the children if government is not involved, and they are left without a family? I think you need to give this a lot more thought. We are an inter-dependent society, and our government must be involved, like it or not.
Fakes

Covina, CA

#193682 May 29, 2013
Looks like more video has once again spotlighted the lies surround the people and religion of Muslim's..

28/05/2013 / SAUDI ARABIA

Muslim follower and a Saudi official whips migrant worker with belt, whole thing is caught ON VIDEO.

Think of it, this is how they treat their hired help and WIVES, life is great in a MUSLIM country, NOT.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#193683 May 29, 2013
RalphB wrote:
<quoted text>
You say in one post that government should not be involved in marriage, and then you make the above claim. Who do you think enforces those contracts? It's government. And who becomes responsible to settle disputes if government is not involved? Who is responsible for the welfare of the children if government is not involved, and they are left without a family? I think you need to give this a lot more thought. We are an inter-dependent society, and our government must be involved, like it or not.
Correct
Statures

Covina, CA

#193684 May 29, 2013
"big d" is nothing more than a p I ss Ant.
Bruno

Westminster, CA

#193685 May 29, 2013
If SSM is so important, then why don't gays go to the states that have fallen under presure and get married. Just get is done and quit crying about it.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#193686 May 29, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
Ya think?
It never ceases to amaze me how many people in this country, don’t actually believe in the values of this country.
You are right, freedom and equality are more important
Exactly! Freedom and equality are not mere conveniences only to be dealt with in the absence of all other crises.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#193687 May 29, 2013
Tony C wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly! Freedom and equality are not mere conveniences only to be dealt with in the absence of all other crises.
Oh yeah, they say they hate big government, but support a government that steps into your private life, trying to tell my daughters that the government gets to control their bodies, their own reproductive systems. Or one that tells you who you can marry and who you cant.

They call themselves conservatives, but I have never figured out exactly what it is they conserve, it isn’t the environment, certainly not our nations finances, certainly not our nations values of freedom, justice and equality.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#193688 May 29, 2013
Adam Mosh wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep.
Why should anybody care? Heck, in Sparta women had to dress like boys when introduced to their husbands, because in Sparta, the state thought homosexuality was great - after all, you're more likely to fight more fiercely when your sexual partner's life was also at risk. Men just weren't used to women in that culture.
Hinduism mentions marriage, it's the oldest religion in the world that is still practiced. Of course, in that religion, widows were expected to commit suicide by throwing themselves on the funeral pyre.
Does this have anything to do with our nation today? No. Does this relate to the "debate" about gay marriage? No.
Marriage in all cultures was basically a social contract to create and raise children as near as I can tell historically. That kind of went out with the 1960's "sexual revolution" when single parent families suddenly became acceptable. If that's culturally OK today, then why even have state marriage at all? What purpose does it serve?
It's just a freaking word. Why homosexual couples want is the associated contract law - and they can all their union anything they please.
Just settle this STUPID ISSUE and move on.
OK, I'm nearly done ranting. Just this whole thing just totally vexes me. So tired of people trying to get the government in on EVERYTHING. When the government manages to balance their budget, then they might have the right to dictate to everybody what should and shouldn't be done in their PERSONAL lives - but to me, they are just a bunch of power hungry incompetents with a bunch of mewling babies screaming at it like it's a parent or something.
These group of morons distract you with a shiny object and you run with it while another trillion dollars is dropped down a hole to a bunch of criminals in the financial sector, and you don't even know it and you run with it for YEARS. The abortion "issue", the flag burning "issue", the school prayer "issue". blah blah blah blah blah.
But back to the vitally important issue of gay marriage again. Why does NFL MVP Adrian Peterson think about it? ANS: WHO CARES?
But it's in the "news".
Got any idea what bills are in Congress right now and how your representative plans to vote on them? Why that garbage doesn't belong in our media at all!!! Does it? Hey, can you even name ONE BILL that has been passed into law this year? Gee, that isn't covered in our "media". Guess that doesn't effect anybody in the US - why cover it?
Back to this important issue of Gay Marriage. What does Oprah think?
I think you have a fairly accurate view of society. What you are missing is the importance of each point. Children are the future of our culture. We are severely undermining their potential by these acts. There is no better place most often to raise children than in an intact family.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#193689 May 29, 2013
Tony C wrote:
<quoted text>
Smart people aren't threatened by such nonsense.
My husband and I are both called "husband." Neither of us are confused by that.
When kids have two Dads, they often differentiate (for the sake of being practical) much the same way they differentiate between what they call their Grandfathers, i.e. calling one "Dad" and the other "Pop," for example. Nobody is confused by that, either.
Raise your standards.
Duplicate husbands? An oxymoron.

Kids don't have two dads. Never. One may be the dad, but the other is always a default.

You aren't asking me to raise my standards, you are asking me to be stupid.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#193690 May 29, 2013
Bruno wrote:
If SSM is so important, then why don't gays go to the states that have fallen under presure and get married. Just get is done and quit crying about it.
Because this is the land of the free, and we will see equality and justice from one end of it to the other.

200 major businesses have petitioned the supreme court calling the overturn of Prop 8 a business imperative, they are having difficulty moving the best employees from state to state deepening on the laws in that state with respect to their employees marriages and benefits.

This will happen, you can sit back and enjoy the ride.

It will take some time, but it will happen.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#193691 May 29, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
They have nothing left to attack same sex marriage with, so you will see them making leaps in every direction out of pure desperation.
Even over tall buildings in a single bound like you Big D.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#193692 May 29, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
Here... Let me post what U.S. Solicitor General, Ted Olsen, said to Justice Sotomayor.
"[P]olygamy raises questions about exploitation, abuse, patriarchy, issues with respect to taxes, inheritance, child custody — it is an entirely different thing."
"If a state prohibits polygamy," he said, "it’s prohibiting conduct. If it prohibits gay and lesbian citizens from getting married, it is prohibiting their exercise of a right based upon their status."
I think he sums it up nicely...
Did it? Mr. Olsen stated that polygamy "raises questions....". He also ignored the fact that polygamy is also prohibited based on status, religion. Gay and lesbians aren't prohibited from getting married, they are prohibited from marrying someone of the same sex. As to the question:

"If you say that marriage is a fundamental right, what state restrictions could ever exist?" Sotomayor asked before referencing polygamy and incest among adults.

What is the answer? If they all consenting adults, and marriage is a fundamental right, what state restrictions could ever exist?

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