Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 | Posted by: Topix | Full story: www.cnn.com

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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The same stupid bumbling idiots who were responsible for the last lawsuit (Glendora, California) the City Attorney D. Wayne Leech, City Manager Chris Jeffers, Finance director Josh Betta, Development manager Jeff Kugel, City Council member's:

Douglas Tessitor.

Gene Murabito.

Karen Davis.

Terry Kent. runs a house building business in town.

Gary Clifford.

Ken Herman.

Mark Kelly.

And all the other slobs on the Planning Commission who went along with the idiots in Glendora's city hall of shame.
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The same stupid bumbling idiots who were responsible for the last lawsuit (Glendora, California) the City Attorney D. Wayne Leech, City Manager Chris Jeffers, Finance director Josh Betta, Development manager Jeff Kugel, City Council member's:

Douglas Tessitor.

Gene Murabito.

Karen Davis.

Terry Kent. runs a house building business in town.

Gary Clifford.

Ken Herman.

Mark Kelly.

And all the other slobs on the Planning Commission who went along with the idiots in Glendora's city hall of shame.

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And?
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Thanks for proving my point about Liberal Progressives.
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And? Hitler wasn't alone either?
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Yeah, it is the law after all?
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So it can change without the Amendment process so long as it agrees with you?
But when it doesn't?
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This issue has nothing to do with equality, it has everything to do with inclusion.
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32 States don't, even liberal California didn't see it your way- TWICE.
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Again, thank you for proving my point about Liberal Progressives.
The Constitution is simply a road block in the way to your Utopia.
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Because it's the law?
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You will once the ruling's no longer go your way.
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So we should just shred the Constitution? Which parts do you like?
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Management has nothing to do with the "Country." Remember, it is YOU who thinks the Constitution needs to change and "catch up with the times", why don't you leave? I am quite happy with the foundation of our country, you are the one who seems to have an issue with it.
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Yup, you "work the system", you don't ABIDE by it.
We WILL work whatever system in order to achieve our goals. If the Supreme Court decides that it is not unconstitutional to deny same-sex couples legal marriage, then we will continue to fight.

If you look around, we have not put all of our eggs into one basket. We are working with lawmakers to change state policies. We are working on voter initiatives to legally recognize our relationships. We are working through social systems--including religious institutions--to educate the public.

The right to marry is one of many rights in the LGBT movement. We now have workplace protections in many jurisdictions. We can now serve openly in the military. It is no longer illegal to participate in same-sex intercourse.

Forty or fifty years ago, nobody could imagine the progress we would make.

Getting what you want is about working a variety of systems, often at the same time. And like minorities in the past, that is exactly what we're doing.

We recognize that we aren't going to win every battle. But that hasn't stopped us. We've only grown stronger in our resolve.
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Too bad. Shame on that judge. What's the point in voting if the majority's decision can be overthrown by the minority?

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True.
I just have little patients for people who want to "educate" me on the Constitution when they admit they have never read ANY of the foundational documents.
Girl, your problem is that you have "little patients" for anything.
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Los Angeles Chamber of Commerce President and CEO Gary Toebben, vice chair of the CEQA Working Group advocating for bigger changes.
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Girl, your problem is that you have "little patients" for anything.
When you have nothing else, fully exploit a mistake in spelling.

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We WILL work whatever system in order to achieve our goals. If the Supreme Court decides that it is not unconstitutional to deny same-sex couples legal marriage, then we will continue to fight.
If you look around, we have not put all of our eggs into one basket. We are working with lawmakers to change state policies. We are working on voter initiatives to legally recognize our relationships. We are working through social systems--including religious institutions--to educate the public.
The right to marry is one of many rights in the LGBT movement. We now have workplace protections in many jurisdictions. We can now serve openly in the military. It is no longer illegal to participate in same-sex intercourse.
Forty or fifty years ago, nobody could imagine the progress we would make.
Getting what you want is about working a variety of systems, often at the same time. And like minorities in the past, that is exactly what we're doing.
We recognize that we aren't going to win every battle. But that hasn't stopped us. We've only grown stronger in our resolve.
And that's your problem. You don't give a damn about the law or the Constitution, just your personal agenda.

And it is this attitude, once exposed, that will prove detrimental to your cause and public opinion towards it.

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And that's your problem. You don't give a damn about the law or the Constitution, just your personal agenda.
And it is this attitude, once exposed, that will prove detrimental to your cause and public opinion towards it.
The public doesn't "think" like you do. The majority will continue to support equality , particularly since more and more people in the public eye are coming out. Our cause is now the public's cause and you have been left in the dust. Don't believe me? Just ask Kimare. Zhe knows that the battle, and the war, are over.
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FBI seeks help identifying three suspects seen at Benghazi mission video's during attack.

A good bet they are Muslim and crazy as bed bugs, don't bother they most likely are out killing more people anyway.

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I have yet to see you post facts. Moreover, you take every opportunity to bash anyone who disagrees with equating duplicate sterile halves with marriage using a bigoted judgment of religion.
No one is denying anyone marriage or legitimate rights. We are simply saying get your own, you have never qualified for marriage in any culture at anytime anywhere. Why? Because it is clear they are distinct relationships.
You are attacking and demanding everyone accept your fallacy. Has never happened before, and won't happen this time.
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1. No, I bash stupidity and denial like yours.
2. I can list all the history of claimed ss 'marriages' on one hand.
3. There are distinct REASONS for marriage. Only one relationship is termed marriage. Calling ss couples marriage would dumb it down to a meaningless term.
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Calling yourself a "pastor" dumbed down the profession, and yet there are still pastors.
1. I keep specifically pointing out why you fail as a professional social worker. You simply made an ad homoan attack.

2. There were, are and will be Pastors. There never was, is or will be ss couples 'married'. See the difference?

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The only thing monstrous about you is your ass-holery.
Which brings up the inherent harm, unhealthiness and demeaning nature of anal sex. The violent imitation of natural, normal sex. A clear distinction between ss couples and marriage at the most intimate level.

See the difference between a crude ad homoan gay troll attack and an indisputable point of reason?

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The public doesn't "think" like you do. The majority will continue to support equality , particularly since more and more people in the public eye are coming out. Our cause is now the public's cause and you have been left in the dust. Don't believe me? Just ask Kimare. Zhe knows that the battle, and the war, are over.
You wish honey.

My point all along is that reality is unbeatable and has a vicious bitch slap. The denial and deceit of this issue is going the same way it has every time it has in the past. Failure and disappointment is inevitable.

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I wouldn't use the word Monster, why monster? are we living in an anime. Mutation?, may be, but really I think diversity, genetic rarity. Monster has obvious negative implications and mutation, well were you born with regular DNA then something happened to change it. You've said chimera, I'm thinking this is what I call mosaic: a variable mix of XX and XY in any given sample. If that's the case then why use the term monster mutation, other than for dramatic effect. Well, you have the right to call yourself what you like, I was questioning the mental health of it, but then if you're happy I suppose it doesn't matter. Personally I call myself Intersexed with a genetic mosaic.
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The fact that you agree with this part of Stocking's post only affirms that you are as ignorant of a genetic chimera as he is.
There is no 'mosaic' of DNA. There are two complete sets of DNA in me. To top that off, I have a functioning penis and a non-functioning vagna. And don't forget the third nipple.
If anyone deserves the term 'monster mutation', it is me. However, like GLBT's, that is about our physical mistakes. It is not who we are, unless we deny it. Then that distortion becomes something personal, and affects our personal life and those around us.
My challenge to people is walk with fearless honesty as far as you can in every aspect of your life. It is only there you will make the best and healthiest choices in life.
I came on here to understand the issue. What I found was some of the deepest denial in existence. About something as clear and simple as relationship types and sex. I simply put my verbal finger on the denial with reality and watch the mercury squirm.
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Excuse me! I am not in the least bit ignorant of what you call a genetic chimera. I know exactly what you mean by it. It's obviously a difference in word usage. A mosaic of DNA IS the same with XX AND XY. Tell the genetic consultant who told me the words 'genetic mosaic' that that isn't a term. Chimera, mosaic - it's the same thing.
I don't know what you mean by non-functioning... what is it supposed to be doing?? Anyway... your physicality is slightly different to mine, as it often is between Intersexed individuals, but it's still as irregular. And what does having a third nipple have anything to do with it. People have them and usually get them removed; just as some people have an extra finger or toe; doesn't make you a monster.
You have been telling people, in effect, that their relationships are wrong: you have used negative wording such as denial, violent defect, and so on. You have also been telling people their marriages are not proper marriages despite the law disagreeing with you. People, of whatever sexual orientation and gender, are marrying out of love; they don't, for the most part, care about the origins of 'restraint on evolutionary mating behaviour' because often they have already had children or are not marrying in order to have them. SSM is gradually becoming a fact in law, if you continue to disagree with it it will become you who is in denial.

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Unless your "mutation" interferes with yourself or society, then it is hardly "monstrous".
Cancer is a "monstrous mutation".
Alzheimer's Disease is a "monstrous mutation".
Being intersexed is not a "monstrous mutation". It may be atypical, but it's not a monstrosity.
Thank you. That was the sentiment I was Trying to express to KiMare.

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Excuse me! I am not in the least bit ignorant of what you call a genetic chimera. I know exactly what you mean by it. It's obviously a difference in word usage. A mosaic of DNA IS the same with XX AND XY. Tell the genetic consultant who told me the words 'genetic mosaic' that that isn't a term. Chimera, mosaic - it's the same thing.
I don't know what you mean by non-functioning... what is it supposed to be doing?? Anyway... your physicality is slightly different to mine, as it often is between Intersexed individuals, but it's still as irregular. And what does having a third nipple have anything to do with it. People have them and usually get them removed; just as some people have an extra finger or toe; doesn't make you a monster.
You have been telling people, in effect, that their relationships are wrong: you have used negative wording such as denial, violent defect, and so on. You have also been telling people their marriages are not proper marriages despite the law disagreeing with you. People, of whatever sexual orientation and gender, are marrying out of love; they don't, for the most part, care about the origins of 'restraint on evolutionary mating behaviour' because often they have already had children or are not marrying in order to have them. SSM is gradually becoming a fact in law, if you continue to disagree with it it will become you who is in denial.
Imagine if an airplane engineer generalized facts like you do. "That part is not bad, it is different."

I have been 'telling' people the facts that conflict with the reality. You are enabling denial. You think that is a caring thing to do. It is not.

I would guess that you have a 'haunting' in the back of your mind about your condition. To justify it, you seek others to accept your 'mosaic' denial by trying to justifying theirs.

Your last thought about children is a perfect example. And just a note; Reality doesn't need the law to exist.

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Imagine if an airplane engineer generalized facts like you do. "That part is not bad, it is different."
I have been 'telling' people the facts that conflict with the reality. You are enabling denial. You think that is a caring thing to do. It is not.
I would guess that you have a 'haunting' in the back of your mind about your condition. To justify it, you seek others to accept your 'mosaic' denial by trying to justifying theirs.
Your last thought about children is a perfect example. And just a note; Reality doesn't need the law to exist.
Smile.
Ok, but people are more than their bodies (machine parts). An aircraft does not have feelings.
A genetic mutation or a sexuality differentiation does not make a person less valid, and I don't agree that anyone ought to think so. True, those who are not procreating are not serving that aspect of the species; but then who's to say it isn't part of nature's design to limit itself. Besides, gay couples can have children in various ways if they choose.
I don't have a haunting, I was wondering if you did! Like I said before if you're happy calling yourself a monster then that's Ok. I would wonder about Anybody who called themselves by a derogatory term.
No, reality doesn't need the law to exist, but the law is part of reality. The reality is if the law says marriage includes SS then it does. Marriage is a legal document and definition not an entity unto itself.

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Oh, I forgot to say KiMare.
I have no denial or need for justification. Like I said you use the word 'chimera' and I use the word 'mosaic' but we are actually referring to the same thing. I am not trying to justify my intersex (your word here is hermaphrodite). It needs no justification. I am who I am and am completely accepting of myself. I was not trying to justify myself by justifying you, I was curious and slightly concerned as to your image of yourself because of you calling yourself a monster. Mutation, Ok, but monster implies something horrid to be disliked.
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You wish honey.
My point all along is that reality is unbeatable and has a vicious bitch slap.
Same sex marriage is as valid and as legal as your marriage

Fact

And that fact is spreading, becoming a fact in more and more states and nations every year, lately every month

also a fact

Welcome to your "bitch slap" of reality

turning your head and denying the fact, doesn’t change the fact

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You wish honey.
My point all along is that reality is unbeatable and has a vicious bitch slap. The denial and deceit of this issue is going the same way it has every time it has in the past. Failure and disappointment is inevitable.
Smile.
And my point, all along, it's that your "reality" is yours alone. The bitch slap that you're so anxiously awaiting isn't going to happen. Or, should one happen, you'll be the one getting slapped; perhaps by your inner lesbian. Your tenacity is admirable, but ultimately failure and disappointment are yours.

Troll on, Kuntmary.

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