Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 | Posted by: Topix | Full story: www.cnn.com

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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heartandmind

Moline, IL

#189245 Apr 18, 2013
Big D wrote:
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You are a poor little moron that doesnít even understand the arguments being presented in court.
No one really expects prop 8 to be overturned in such a way as to affect other states, there are those that hope for that but the chances are incredibly slim.....
If you didnít know before you might as well know now... that is why Prop 8 is going down.
i am wondering, though. if prop 8 falls, even just in CA, then what about the laws in other states banning same sex marriage? wouldn't that open the door to other lawsuits within those states? and if doma falls (as expected), then that would affect in some measure those laws as well.
i think, just my opinion here, that with both prop 8 and doma falling, then it's just a matter of time before all the other states' laws are lost causes as well. it may take time, but, with some patience and some money, all things are possible.

what do you think?
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#189246 Apr 18, 2013
heartandmind wrote:
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fella, you fail to recognize my mood or my temperament as you don't know me personally. you and i are internet strangers and will remain so.
i have not stated an opinion on polygamy as this is not the forum.
it is you that fails to take your own advice of the 2 or 3 people telling you something, in this case, then, it is in regards to a subject you want to beat to death of polygamy.
it is you that keeps me from being interested in discussing or researching polygamy. take that responsibility my internet acquaintance and wear that badge proudly.
Two people, Yeah, two dummies, you and the Big Dope.

You are "not stating an opinion on polygamy" but I read your opinion on marriage equality for poly loud and clear.

It is you who makes people have an aversion to same sex marriage. It is you who beats ssm to death. Take that responsibility and wear that badge proudly fruitcake.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#189247 Apr 18, 2013
Big D wrote:
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Just as Prop 8 had no effect on those in Texas, good point
Why do you constantly attempt to so tightly limit the discussion? I submit that it's to hide your hypocrisy.

Polygamy is a perfectly acceptable topic and within the scope of this thread. You cannot fully discuss marriage equality if you're not allowed to mention topics that make you uncomfortable.

Sorry Big D, you're not the King.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#189249 Apr 18, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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Two people, Yeah, two dummies, you and the Big Dope.
You are "not stating an opinion on polygamy" but I read your opinion on marriage equality for poly loud and clear.
It is you who makes people have an aversion to same sex marriage. It is you who beats ssm to death. Take that responsibility and wear that badge proudly fruitcake.
you must have a pair of bare bottomed leather chaps in your wardrobe somewhere. because you blow a lot of smoke out of your beee-hind (as my 9 yr old calls it).

i have not stated an opinion regarding your favorite topic because i have not researched it, read anything about it (except your adnauseum posts) nor have i thought about it - not even for a second.

let me put it this way, once ssm is allowed in all 50 states and we get the same priviliges as straight couples, i'll be more than happy to shut up and fade away and never be heard (or read) discussing same sex marriage here on these ol' topix threads.

insofar as your "aversion to same sex marriage"....that doesn't really matter. your approval is not required. it is not requested. it is not demanded. you have nothing to do with same sex marriage, unless you want to marry another person of the same gender as you. there is not another soul on this planet that give one twit about how you feel, think or believe in regards to same sex marriage. hate it, despise it, be for it, jump up and down for or against - we don't care.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#189250 Apr 18, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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Why do you constantly attempt to so tightly limit the discussion? I submit that it's to hide your hypocrisy.
Polygamy is a perfectly acceptable topic and within the scope of this thread. You cannot fully discuss marriage equality if you're not allowed to mention topics that make you uncomfortable.
Sorry Big D, you're not the King.
LOL.

he may not be the king - butyou sure are the queen.

the queen of disgruntlement.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#189251 Apr 18, 2013
heartandmind wrote:
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i am wondering, though. if prop 8 falls, even just in CA, then what about the laws in other states banning same sex marriage? wouldn't that open the door to other lawsuits within those states? and if doma falls (as expected), then that would affect in some measure those laws as well.
i think, just my opinion here, that with both prop 8 and doma falling, then it's just a matter of time before all the other states' laws are lost causes as well. it may take time, but, with some patience and some money, all things are possible.
what do you think?
well perhaps I am not as hopeful int he near term as you are.

I donít expect all of DOMA to fall, only section 3

If all of DOMA goes down the tubes you will be exactly right regardless of the results of Prop 8, it would be the death knell of every state constitution banning same sex marriage, it would still take time.. but it would happen swiftly.

What I expect with DOMA is section 3 to be struck... taking away the federal definition, but leaving definitions and recognitions to individual states. Not the swift outcome, but progress.

On Prop 8, I honestly donít know which way it will go, there are 4 outcomes I can think of

1 Uphold the case against Prop 8 ( and Prop 8 goes down )
2 Decide those defending Prop 8 do not have standing ( and prop 8 goes down )
3 Donít rule ( like they did with Gore vs Bush ) and toss it back to the state, that has already ruled ( and prop 8 goes down )
4 Uphold Prop 8, not likely, however it will be quickly resolved in the next election cycle with another ballot measure that will easily pass.

1, 2 and 3 are equally likely in my opinion, I doubt we will see 4

But unless they overturn all of DOMA, and go for a broad ruling on Prop 8 I seriously doubt it will affect other states much in the short term.

In the long term.. oh yeah.. it is pushing the door that is already open wider and wider and either way it is only a matter of time before all states will recognize same sex marriage.

You are very right that nowÖ it is only a matter of time, like geology, time and pressure
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#189252 Apr 18, 2013
heartandmind wrote:
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you must have a pair of bare bottomed leather chaps in your wardrobe somewhere. because you blow a lot of smoke out of your beee-hind (as my 9 yr old calls it).
i have not stated an opinion regarding your favorite topic because i have not researched it, read anything about it (except your adnauseum posts) nor have i thought about it - not even for a second.
let me put it this way, once ssm is allowed in all 50 states and we get the same priviliges as straight couples, i'll be more than happy to shut up and fade away and never be heard (or read) discussing same sex marriage here on these ol' topix threads.
insofar as your "aversion to same sex marriage"....that doesn't really matter. your approval is not required. it is not requested. it is not demanded. you have nothing to do with same sex marriage, unless you want to marry another person of the same gender as you. there is not another soul on this planet that give one twit about how you feel, think or believe in regards to same sex marriage. hate it, despise it, be for it, jump up and down for or against - we don't care.
You are not interested in marriage equality, you just want more of the same. Marriage for approved groups only. I get it.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#189253 Apr 18, 2013
heartandmind wrote:
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LOL.
he may not be the king - butyou sure are the queen.
the queen of disgruntlement.
By the way, I have no aversion to SSM. I fully support it as do most polygamists. Too bad you don't reciprocate. After all you want the same thing. Marriage equality. That is what you want isn't it?

Polygamists generally support SSM. SSM advocates generally do not support poly. That's the facts. You interpret them as you will. I interpret them to mean you are a hypocrite.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#189254 Apr 18, 2013
heartandmind wrote:
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LOL.
he may not be the king - butyou sure are the queen.
the queen of disgruntlement.
You donít need to take him seriously, he has already admitted he has no personal interest in Poly at all, his only goal is to use Poly to try and attack anyone in favor of Same Sex marriage.

And if you notice, that is all he does

He is like Mr Cellophane, you can see right through him

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#189255 Apr 18, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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I'm happy with my rudimentary understanding of the law. I know enough about it that I've been able to live without being incarcerated for nearly half a century.
If you find comfort in having a superior grasp of all things law, then I'm fine with that.
I know when to not get into a pissing contest with a skunk.
In other words, you are tired of having your a$$ handed to you and are trying to apply whit in an attempt to save face. Something else you aren't very good at.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#189256 Apr 18, 2013
Big D wrote:
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You are a poor little moron that doesnít even understand the arguments being presented in court.
I have read the briefs, you haven't. Nuff said!
magic johnsons son

Los Angeles, CA

#189257 Apr 18, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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By the way, I have no aversion to SSM. I fully support it as do most polygamists. Too bad you don't reciprocate. After all you want the same thing. Marriage equality. That is what you want isn't it?
Polygamists generally support SSM. SSM advocates generally do not support poly. That's the facts. You interpret them as you will. I interpret them to mean you are a hypocrite.
Mistah Frankie... you gonna be working booth 3 or 4 at Pink's Gloree~Hole tonite?? Dab some chanel #5 on your lips so i know which. Easy on the teeth this time, okay?
Yopper

Covina, CA

#189258 Apr 18, 2013
If there was a reason to care I would have told you when and where to do that.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#189259 Apr 18, 2013
akpilot wrote:
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I have read the briefs, you haven't. Nuff said!
I have heard and read the transcripts of the arguments, you obviously didnít comprehend what you read

Nuff said

The equal rights case was made, in both the appellate and supreme courts about equal rights with those same sex couples who are legally married, and those that are denied the right to marry.

You are in for one disappointing day here pretty soon
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#189260 Apr 18, 2013
Big D wrote:
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You donít need to take him seriously, he has already admitted he has no personal interest in Poly at all, his only goal is to use Poly to try and attack anyone in favor of Same Sex marriage.
And if you notice, that is all he does
He is like Mr Cellophane, you can see right through him
i guess i'll just go back to scrolling past his posts as they don't pertain to the topic at hand.
i tried to address him, acknowledge what he'd said, in the hopes he'd move on...but he's stuck on this one note like a broken record.
maybe if we all just ignored him, didn't respond to any of his posts?
Big D

Modesto, CA

#189261 Apr 18, 2013
heartandmind wrote:
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i guess i'll just go back to scrolling past his posts as they don't pertain to the topic at hand.
i tried to address him, acknowledge what he'd said, in the hopes he'd move on...but he's stuck on this one note like a broken record.
maybe if we all just ignored him, didn't respond to any of his posts?
I try to keep reminding myself, I keep making the mistake that I am talking to a person with an actual opinion. But he is not honest enough to converse with

I disagree with others, but at least they are honest about what they are saying
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#189262 Apr 18, 2013
magic johnsons son wrote:
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Mistah Frankie... you gonna be working booth 3 or 4 at Pink's Gloree~Hole tonite?? Dab some chanel #5 on your lips so i know which. Easy on the teeth this time, okay?
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Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#189263 Apr 18, 2013
heartandmind wrote:
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i guess i'll just go back to scrolling past his posts as they don't pertain to the topic at hand.
i tried to address him, acknowledge what he'd said, in the hopes he'd move on...but he's stuck on this one note like a broken record.
maybe if we all just ignored him, didn't respond to any of his posts?
Maybe. You are quite boring. And you are a bigot and hypocrite.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#189264 Apr 18, 2013
Big D wrote:
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I try to keep reminding myself, I keep making the mistake that I am talking to a person with an actual opinion. But he is not honest enough to converse with
I disagree with others, but at least they are honest about what they are saying
Why would I lie? You lie very easily and casually. I do not.

I support marriage equality you and heart and mind do not. The end.
Ignore my posts if you can. But I don't think you will.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#189265 Apr 18, 2013
Big D wrote:
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I have heard and read the transcripts of the arguments, you obviously didnít comprehend what you read
Nuff said
The equal rights case was made, in both the appellate and supreme courts about equal rights with those same sex couples who are legally married, and those that are denied the right to marry.
You are in for one disappointing day here pretty soon
I don't think AK Pilot is as heavily invested in this as you are. I'm not either. I just want to discuss it. Perhaps this is the heart of your frustration with me and him. D

We are here to on this discussion forum to discuss the issue, you are here to preach to us. And act superior to anyone elses right to an opinion.

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