Judge overturns California's ban on s...

Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

There are 201892 comments on the www.cnn.com story from Aug 4, 2010, titled Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage. In it, www.cnn.com reports that:

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#189235 Apr 18, 2013
Speaking of Texas, who of you condones the state violently seizing children from their mothers and putting them into the notorious Texas child welfare system?

Little kids traumatized, crying for their mothers. The kids were returned eventually but not until after irrevocable damage. Their crime? Too many mommies that loved them.

Only one mommy allowed in CA too. Pick one, kid. One only.

You can have two mommies but then you don't get a daddy. Hurry up kid what's it gonna be? You can also have two daddies but then you get no mommie.
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#189236 Apr 18, 2013
heartandmind wrote:
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oh give it up. you weren't even mentioned. it's not all about you.
You mad fruitloops?
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#189237 Apr 18, 2013
heartandmind wrote:
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in your opinion. not so much, apparantly by the other posters in this thread.
aren't you the one that posted earlier today about if 2 or 3 of your friends told you something about yourself, then it's probably true and you need to think about what you're doing?
pal, we're way over the "2 or 3" number in this regards.....
Why so mad fruitcake? I'm just the messenger. Find out what makes you so mad at polygamy and deal with it, don't transfer your anger to me.

I support marriage equality, you do not.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#189238 Apr 18, 2013
Big D wrote:
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Yeah, I already know, polygamy has nothing to do with Prop 8, illegal before, Illegal during, and will still be illegal when Prop 8 of overturned, that is just a ploy and is worth nothing. I generally either ignore or just laugh at such arguments because they are meaningless. Only intended to frighten people who would be frightened by such. I am certainly not frightened of poly as suspect I am more supportive of it than those bringing it up.
In Prop 8 the argument for equality is indeed including the 18,000 same sex married couples that have rights that other same sex couples do not have.
Depending on how far DOMAS is overturned that may become a national issue with the over 100,000 legally married same sex couples in the US
You may not be aware of the arguments, I am.
The issue originally ( years ago ) was equality with opposite same sex couples, but that point is now moot, over and done with. There are over 100,000 legally married same sex couples.
Same sex marriage is now a fact in the US
The equal rights argument has shifted to why are these same sex couples recognized as married and not other same sex couples. Once you have your foot in the door the case becomes much easier.
Even your hero Rush has thrown in the towel on the subject. It is over, now it is only a matter of time.
You're an IDIOT!

Poor little moron can't seem to comprehend that this discussion is much more involved than simply Prop 8. It extends to the greater question of marriage equality and how marriage can and cannot be defined and by whom.

That's why States other than California filed briefs in the case, because there is a far larger question at hand than simply Prop 8.

Poor BigD, I guess the "D" is for dumb, you can't even act smart.

And BTW, there is no such thing as "DOMAS".

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#189239 Apr 18, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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To "decriminalize" something, makes it "legal". Their actions made same-gender intercourse legal.
Not really. Decriminalisation of pot would make possession of small amounts a lesser criminal offense than it is currently.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#189240 Apr 18, 2013
akpilot wrote:
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Good thing, your cover wouldn't last long.
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Because words have meaning. This attitude of who gives a sh%% is what has brought us this nonsense that the Constitution is a "living breathing" document, when in fact there is only one CONSTITUTIONAL way to alter the Constitution- See Article V.
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No, the fact of the matter is- Sodomy is illegal in 14 States.
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No, you remove the punishment.
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Since you want to continue to debate something you clearly do not understand, I guess you will continue to remain ignorant. But that seems to be a trend with people like you.
I'm happy with my rudimentary understanding of the law. I know enough about it that I've been able to live without being incarcerated for nearly half a century.

If you find comfort in having a superior grasp of all things law, then I'm fine with that.

I know when to not get into a pissing contest with a skunk.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#189241 Apr 18, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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Why so mad fruitcake? I'm just the messenger. Find out what makes you so mad at polygamy and deal with it, don't transfer your anger to me.
I support marriage equality, you do not.
fella, you fail to recognize my mood or my temperament as you don't know me personally. you and i are internet strangers and will remain so.

i have not stated an opinion on polygamy as this is not the forum.

it is you that fails to take your own advice of the 2 or 3 people telling you something, in this case, then, it is in regards to a subject you want to beat to death of polygamy.

it is you that keeps me from being interested in discussing or researching polygamy. take that responsibility my internet acquaintance and wear that badge proudly.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#189242 Apr 18, 2013
akpilot wrote:
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You're an IDIOT!
Poor little moron can't seem to comprehend that this discussion is much more involved than simply Prop 8. It extends to the greater question of marriage equality and how marriage can and cannot be defined and by whom.
That's why States other than California filed briefs in the case, because there is a far larger question at hand than simply Prop 8.
Poor BigD, I guess the "D" is for dumb, you can't even act smart.
And BTW, there is no such thing as "DOMAS".
You are a poor little moron that doesn’t even understand the arguments being presented in court.

No one really expects prop 8 to be overturned in such a way as to affect other states, there are those that hope for that but the chances are incredibly slim.

This is a California only ( for now ) issue

It is a fact that there are 18,000 legally married same sex couples in California right now.

You honestly don’t think the lawyers are smart enough to bring up the equal rights issues that some same sex marriage couples are being treated unequal to other same sex couples?

Of course they are, the lawyers are a whole lot smarter than you are.

It doesn’t need to extend to the greater question, that is already answered, there are 18,000 legally married couples in California right now, not an opinion, a fact.

The question is why are other same sex couples not afforded the same equal rights.:)

If you didn’t know before you might as well know now... that is why Prop 8 is going down.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#189243 Apr 18, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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Try again to what? To tell an idiot that polygamy deserves the same respect and consideration as same sex marriage?
I did that 50 times. The idiot didn't listen 50 times. He doesn't get it. He's stupid.
Oh! You're that idiot. Woops.
No you have not once shown how Prop 8 changed any law with respect to poly. Illegal before, Illegal during, and will still be illegal when Prop 8 is overturned.

Personally I think Poly should be legal, but I don’t think that will happen yet.

Personally I think Poly deserves the same respect as 1-1 marriage ( regardless of gender as both opposite sex and same sex are legal )myself, but I don’t think it will get much traction yet, there is just not enough support for it yet. That will probably change in time.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#189244 Apr 18, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
Speaking of Texas, who of you condones the state violently seizing children from their mothers and putting them into the notorious Texas child welfare system?
Little kids traumatized, crying for their mothers. The kids were returned eventually but not until after irrevocable damage. Their crime? Too many mommies that loved them.
Only one mommy allowed in CA too. Pick one, kid. One only.
You can have two mommies but then you don't get a daddy. Hurry up kid what's it gonna be? You can also have two daddies but then you get no mommie.
Just as Prop 8 had no effect on those in Texas, good point
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#189245 Apr 18, 2013
Big D wrote:
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You are a poor little moron that doesn’t even understand the arguments being presented in court.
No one really expects prop 8 to be overturned in such a way as to affect other states, there are those that hope for that but the chances are incredibly slim.....
If you didn’t know before you might as well know now... that is why Prop 8 is going down.
i am wondering, though. if prop 8 falls, even just in CA, then what about the laws in other states banning same sex marriage? wouldn't that open the door to other lawsuits within those states? and if doma falls (as expected), then that would affect in some measure those laws as well.
i think, just my opinion here, that with both prop 8 and doma falling, then it's just a matter of time before all the other states' laws are lost causes as well. it may take time, but, with some patience and some money, all things are possible.

what do you think?
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#189246 Apr 18, 2013
heartandmind wrote:
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fella, you fail to recognize my mood or my temperament as you don't know me personally. you and i are internet strangers and will remain so.
i have not stated an opinion on polygamy as this is not the forum.
it is you that fails to take your own advice of the 2 or 3 people telling you something, in this case, then, it is in regards to a subject you want to beat to death of polygamy.
it is you that keeps me from being interested in discussing or researching polygamy. take that responsibility my internet acquaintance and wear that badge proudly.
Two people, Yeah, two dummies, you and the Big Dope.

You are "not stating an opinion on polygamy" but I read your opinion on marriage equality for poly loud and clear.

It is you who makes people have an aversion to same sex marriage. It is you who beats ssm to death. Take that responsibility and wear that badge proudly fruitcake.
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#189247 Apr 18, 2013
Big D wrote:
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Just as Prop 8 had no effect on those in Texas, good point
Why do you constantly attempt to so tightly limit the discussion? I submit that it's to hide your hypocrisy.

Polygamy is a perfectly acceptable topic and within the scope of this thread. You cannot fully discuss marriage equality if you're not allowed to mention topics that make you uncomfortable.

Sorry Big D, you're not the King.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#189249 Apr 18, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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Two people, Yeah, two dummies, you and the Big Dope.
You are "not stating an opinion on polygamy" but I read your opinion on marriage equality for poly loud and clear.
It is you who makes people have an aversion to same sex marriage. It is you who beats ssm to death. Take that responsibility and wear that badge proudly fruitcake.
you must have a pair of bare bottomed leather chaps in your wardrobe somewhere. because you blow a lot of smoke out of your beee-hind (as my 9 yr old calls it).

i have not stated an opinion regarding your favorite topic because i have not researched it, read anything about it (except your adnauseum posts) nor have i thought about it - not even for a second.

let me put it this way, once ssm is allowed in all 50 states and we get the same priviliges as straight couples, i'll be more than happy to shut up and fade away and never be heard (or read) discussing same sex marriage here on these ol' topix threads.

insofar as your "aversion to same sex marriage"....that doesn't really matter. your approval is not required. it is not requested. it is not demanded. you have nothing to do with same sex marriage, unless you want to marry another person of the same gender as you. there is not another soul on this planet that give one twit about how you feel, think or believe in regards to same sex marriage. hate it, despise it, be for it, jump up and down for or against - we don't care.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#189250 Apr 18, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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Why do you constantly attempt to so tightly limit the discussion? I submit that it's to hide your hypocrisy.
Polygamy is a perfectly acceptable topic and within the scope of this thread. You cannot fully discuss marriage equality if you're not allowed to mention topics that make you uncomfortable.
Sorry Big D, you're not the King.
LOL.

he may not be the king - butyou sure are the queen.

the queen of disgruntlement.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#189251 Apr 18, 2013
heartandmind wrote:
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i am wondering, though. if prop 8 falls, even just in CA, then what about the laws in other states banning same sex marriage? wouldn't that open the door to other lawsuits within those states? and if doma falls (as expected), then that would affect in some measure those laws as well.
i think, just my opinion here, that with both prop 8 and doma falling, then it's just a matter of time before all the other states' laws are lost causes as well. it may take time, but, with some patience and some money, all things are possible.
what do you think?
well perhaps I am not as hopeful int he near term as you are.

I don’t expect all of DOMA to fall, only section 3

If all of DOMA goes down the tubes you will be exactly right regardless of the results of Prop 8, it would be the death knell of every state constitution banning same sex marriage, it would still take time.. but it would happen swiftly.

What I expect with DOMA is section 3 to be struck... taking away the federal definition, but leaving definitions and recognitions to individual states. Not the swift outcome, but progress.

On Prop 8, I honestly don’t know which way it will go, there are 4 outcomes I can think of

1 Uphold the case against Prop 8 ( and Prop 8 goes down )
2 Decide those defending Prop 8 do not have standing ( and prop 8 goes down )
3 Don’t rule ( like they did with Gore vs Bush ) and toss it back to the state, that has already ruled ( and prop 8 goes down )
4 Uphold Prop 8, not likely, however it will be quickly resolved in the next election cycle with another ballot measure that will easily pass.

1, 2 and 3 are equally likely in my opinion, I doubt we will see 4

But unless they overturn all of DOMA, and go for a broad ruling on Prop 8 I seriously doubt it will affect other states much in the short term.

In the long term.. oh yeah.. it is pushing the door that is already open wider and wider and either way it is only a matter of time before all states will recognize same sex marriage.

You are very right that now… it is only a matter of time, like geology, time and pressure
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#189252 Apr 18, 2013
heartandmind wrote:
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you must have a pair of bare bottomed leather chaps in your wardrobe somewhere. because you blow a lot of smoke out of your beee-hind (as my 9 yr old calls it).
i have not stated an opinion regarding your favorite topic because i have not researched it, read anything about it (except your adnauseum posts) nor have i thought about it - not even for a second.
let me put it this way, once ssm is allowed in all 50 states and we get the same priviliges as straight couples, i'll be more than happy to shut up and fade away and never be heard (or read) discussing same sex marriage here on these ol' topix threads.
insofar as your "aversion to same sex marriage"....that doesn't really matter. your approval is not required. it is not requested. it is not demanded. you have nothing to do with same sex marriage, unless you want to marry another person of the same gender as you. there is not another soul on this planet that give one twit about how you feel, think or believe in regards to same sex marriage. hate it, despise it, be for it, jump up and down for or against - we don't care.
You are not interested in marriage equality, you just want more of the same. Marriage for approved groups only. I get it.
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#189253 Apr 18, 2013
heartandmind wrote:
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LOL.
he may not be the king - butyou sure are the queen.
the queen of disgruntlement.
By the way, I have no aversion to SSM. I fully support it as do most polygamists. Too bad you don't reciprocate. After all you want the same thing. Marriage equality. That is what you want isn't it?

Polygamists generally support SSM. SSM advocates generally do not support poly. That's the facts. You interpret them as you will. I interpret them to mean you are a hypocrite.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#189254 Apr 18, 2013
heartandmind wrote:
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LOL.
he may not be the king - butyou sure are the queen.
the queen of disgruntlement.
You don’t need to take him seriously, he has already admitted he has no personal interest in Poly at all, his only goal is to use Poly to try and attack anyone in favor of Same Sex marriage.

And if you notice, that is all he does

He is like Mr Cellophane, you can see right through him

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#189255 Apr 18, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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I'm happy with my rudimentary understanding of the law. I know enough about it that I've been able to live without being incarcerated for nearly half a century.
If you find comfort in having a superior grasp of all things law, then I'm fine with that.
I know when to not get into a pissing contest with a skunk.
In other words, you are tired of having your a$$ handed to you and are trying to apply whit in an attempt to save face. Something else you aren't very good at.

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