Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 Full story: www.cnn.com 200,974

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#188781 Apr 15, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
<quoted text>
Space aliens already marry each other Martians (men) marry Venusians (women).
Can you imagine if someone used Big D's dumb space alien schtick against same sex marriage? All hell would break loose on Big D's mountaintop. Yet he thinks it's very witty when used against poly.
Asian guy go back

Covina, CA

#188782 Apr 15, 2013
Authorities say video surveillance footage from an Albany Wal-Mart store shows a uniformed U.S. Army officer being attacked by a man who had verbally harassed the soldier for his military service.

This Asian guy is a Chinese native, hence he should be shipped by to his communist mother f country.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#188783 Apr 15, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope, I am just pointing out the one company that does not support same sex marriage. As I have stated before I have work colleges that are in same sex marriages and raising children.
My son works for Microsoft, they are considering pulling offices and manufacturing out of states that do not support marriage equality. They cannot have different rules in different states for their married employees. And they are not the only company talking like that.
It is all just a matter of time now.
The bottom line companies will follow the money, nothing to do with taking any stands. They would hurt more gay people by pulling out of states that don't fit their agenda that has nothing to do with the product.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#188784 Apr 15, 2013
http://mobile.slate.com/articles/double_x/dou...

Finally, prohibiting polygamy on “feminist” grounds—that these marriages are inherently degrading to the women involved—is misguided. The case for polygamy is, in fact, a feminist one and shows women the respect we deserve. Here’s the thing: As women, we really can make our own choices. We just might choose things people don’t like. If a woman wants to marry a man, that’s great. If she wants to marry another woman, that’s great too. If she wants to marry a hipster, well—I suppose that’s the price of freedom.

And if she wants to marry a man with three other wives, that’s her damn choice.

We have a tendency to dismiss or marginalize people we don’t understand. We see women in polygamous marriages and assume they are victims.“They grew up in an unhealthy environment,” we say.“They didn’t really choose polygamy; they were just born into it.” Without question, that is sometimes true. But it’s also true of many (too many) monogamous marriages. Plenty of women, polygamous or otherwise, are born into unhealthy environments that they repeat later in life. There’s no difference. All marriages deserve access to the support and resources they need to build happy, healthy lives, regardless of how many partners are involved. Arguments about whether a woman’s consensual sexual and romantic choices are “healthy” should have no bearing on the legal process. And while polygamy remains illegal, women who choose this lifestyle don’t have access to the protections and benefits that legal marriage provides.

As a feminist, it’s easy and intuitive to support women who choose education, independence, and careers. It’s not as intuitive to support women who choose values and lifestyles that seem outdated or even sexist, but those women deserve our respect just as much as any others. It’s condescending, not supportive, to minimize them as mere “victims” without considering the possibility that some of them have simply made a different choice.

The definition of marriage is plastic. Just like heterosexual marriage is no better or worse than homosexual marriage, marriage between two consenting adults is not inherently more or less “correct” than marriage among three (or four, or six) consenting adults. Though polygamists are a minority—a tiny minority, in fact—freedom has no value unless it extends to even the smallest and most marginalized groups among us. So let’s fight for marriage equality until it extends to every same-sex couple in the United States—and then let’s keep fighting. We’re not done yet.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#188785 Apr 15, 2013
Jaredb8 wrote:
<quoted text>
Go back to the playground and bully someone.
Bigot.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#188786 Apr 15, 2013
Jaredb8 wrote:
<quoted text>
Limited brain? Pot meet kettle!
Looking in the mirror again?
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#188789 Apr 15, 2013
just the facts wrote:
<quoted text>you mad rite?
Yes I am. Your wife gave me the clap again and it's YOUR FAULT! Get tested. Where the hell have you been?
Asian guy go back

Covina, CA

#188791 Apr 15, 2013
Authorities say video surveillance footage from an Albany Wal-Mart store shows a uniformed U.S. Army officer being attacked by a man who had verbally harassed the soldier for his military service.

This Asian guy is a Chinese native, hence he should be shipped by to his communist mother f country.

Deport all communists from USA.
Closet door

Covina, CA

#188793 Apr 15, 2013
South Carolina senator Lindsey Graham (republican) announced earlier today that he will come out of the closet in a few more months.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#188796 Apr 16, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
<quoted text>
Space aliens already marry each other Martians (men) marry Venusians (women).
you forgot about the other sexes of space aliens and men or women marrying one of those other sexes :D

That is why those people that want o marry space aliens are joining you Poly people doubling your numbers, now if you can get the romantically attached sheep herders you will have even more on your side
Pietro Armando

Schenectady, NY

#188799 Apr 16, 2013
http://m.vice.com/en_ca/read/after-gay-marria...

Actually, yeah—why are polyamorous marriages between consenting adults illegal?

“Kurtz was right for the most part,” Anita Wagner Illig, a polyamorous-relationships advocate who runs the Practical Polyamory website, told me in an email.“Legalizing same-sex marriage creates a legal precedent where there can be no valid legal premise for denying marriage to more than two people who wish to marry each other… We just disagree as to whether it’s a bad thing.”

Laws against multiple marriages in the US were originally enacted in response to 19th-century Mormon polygamy, and since then, having a bunch of wives has been associated with extreme Mormons like Tom Green and David Kingston who force women to marry them, have sex with young girls, and even engage in incest—horrific, despicable acts by any moral standard. That’s a tough stigma for poly people to overcome, though polyamory has become more and more accepted at large over the past decade.

If TV is a barometer for society’s obsessions, we’re thinking a lot more about group marriage—HBO’s Big Love depicted fundamentalist Mormon polygamy in nuanced, dramatic fashion, and TLC’s Sister Wives portrayed a Mormon polygamous family as being not all that different from “normal” homes. A long story in Newsweek in 2009 focused on nonreligious poly families and was very sympathetic. More recently, ABC’s Wife Swap featured a poly family and Scientific American called “consensual nonmonogamy”(which includes swingers and people in open relationships, not just polyamorists) the “new sexual revolution.” It’s important to note that there are only an estimated 500,000 poly relationships in the US, which is a tiny minority when compared to the 9 million or so gay people in the country, but if you want, you can see this mainstreaming of polyamory as running parallel to the wider acceptance of homosexuality that preceded the current civil rights battle.

Many gay marriage advocates dislike that comparison—they don’t want the public to draw comparisons between gay relationships and “weird” potentially abusive multiwife setups. Back in 2006, Andrew Sullivan wrote,“Legalizing [polygamy] is a bad idea for a society in general for all the usual reasons (abuse of women, the dangers of leaving a pool of unmarried straight men in the population at large, etc.),” an odd mirroring of all those conservatives who’ve talked about how “bad for society” gay marriage would be.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#188800 Apr 16, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
He had no legitimate basis to rule otherwise regarding gays using the Olympic name. That was proven by the SCOTUS decision.
Please tell me where I have lied or distorted any of the core issues. Even if it were true, it does not excuse the behavior for anyone. Again, why is that necessary for any legitimate cause.
History shows that often decisions violate common sense and just decisions. Nothing changes the fact that ss couples do not equate to marriage at any level. Even a SCOTUS decision cannot change that.
Smile.
And yet SCOTUS's decision to legalize homosexual intercourse still stands. In spite of all of your huffing and puffing about sodomy, there's nothing you can do.

Maybe this will inspire you to flee the country.

My fingers are crossed.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#188801 Apr 16, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
you forgot about the other sexes of space aliens and men or women marrying one of those other sexes :D
Oh please enlighten us Big D, what are those other space alien sexes called? Unanusians? Androgynites?
That is why those people that want o marry space aliens are joining you Poly people doubling your numbers, now if you can get the romantically attached sheep herders you will have even more on your side
Ohhhhhh.....Big D made a funny. Still have that inflatable sheep hidden out in your tool shed, along with a copy of PlayEwe magazine, I see. Let's hope the missus doesn't find out.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#188802 Apr 16, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
http://m.vice.com/en_ca/read/a fter-gay-marriage-why-not-poly gamy
Actually, yeah—why are polyamorous marriages between consenting adults illegal?
“Kurtz was right for the most part,” Anita Wagner Illig, a polyamorous-relationships advocate who runs the Practical Polyamory website, told me in an email.“Legalizing same-sex marriage creates a legal precedent where there can be no valid legal premise for denying marriage to more than two people who wish to marry each other… We just disagree as to whether it’s a bad thing.”
Laws against multiple marriages in the US were originally enacted in response to 19th-century Mormon polygamy, and since then, having a bunch of wives has been associated with extreme Mormons like Tom Green and David Kingston who force women to marry them, have sex with young girls, and even engage in incest—horrific, despicable acts by any moral standard. That’s a tough stigma for poly people to overcome, though polyamory has become more and more accepted at large over the past decade.
If TV is a barometer for society’s obsessions, we’re thinking a lot more about group marriage—HBO’s Big Love depicted fundamentalist Mormon polygamy in nuanced, dramatic fashion, and TLC’s Sister Wives portrayed a Mormon polygamous family as being not all that different from “normal” homes. A long story in Newsweek in 2009 focused on nonreligious poly families and was very sympathetic. More recently, ABC’s Wife Swap featured a poly family and Scientific American called “consensual nonmonogamy”(which includes swingers and people in open relationships, not just polyamorists) the “new sexual revolution.” It’s important to note that there are only an estimated 500,000 poly relationships in the US, which is a tiny minority when compared to the 9 million or so gay people in the country, but if you want, you can see this mainstreaming of polyamory as running parallel to the wider acceptance of homosexuality that preceded the current civil rights battle.
Many gay marriage advocates dislike that comparison—they don’t want the public to draw comparisons between gay relationships and “weird” potentially abusive multiwife setups. Back in 2006, Andrew Sullivan wrote,“Legalizing [polygamy] is a bad idea for a society in general for all the usual reasons (abuse of women, the dangers of leaving a pool of unmarried straight men in the population at large, etc.),” an odd mirroring of all those conservatives who’ve talked about how “bad for society” gay marriage would be.
hey Petey! S'up?

I thought you got off the multiple wife bandwagon?(had pictures in my head of your wife reading over your shoulder and boxing your ears off.."I'm not wife enough for you?!?" she screams while reaching for the bread roller...

have you had time to tally up the number of laws that would need to be changed to make polygamy equal with two two person marriage? I've still got my old TI-81 calculator if you need to use it...
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#188803 Apr 16, 2013
just the facts wrote:
<quoted text>Whoa, Frankie are you jealous, all I have a wife, you have war stories.
"all I have a wife"? What's that mean? Oh nevermind, who cares? It's just dopey Jizzy-speak.

P.S. Please re-post one of my war stories. Or all of them, dummy.
Duh! There aren't any. Just your war stories, and they are FUNNY! See the Gay Cafe thread folks!

P.P.S. Why are you such a homophobe? Gay marriage won't hurt you.

YUK!YUK!YUK! Jizzy. Too funny!
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#188804 Apr 16, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
you forgot about the other sexes of space aliens and men or women marrying one of those other sexes :D
That is why those people that want o marry space aliens are joining you Poly people doubling your numbers, now if you can get the romantically attached sheep herders you will have even more on your side
If same sex marriage advocates had them on "their side" they would have more numbers too! See how that works?

Stop being so exclusive. Marriage equality means exactly what it says. It doesn't mean marriage is allowed for Big D approved groups only.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#188805 Apr 16, 2013
just the facts wrote:
<quoted text>Its a sham, the poly people want to limit marriage.
That makes a lot of sense, Jizzy!

You mean if we allow marriage to more people it will limit marriage?

How's that work genius?

Marriage equality is not limiting marriage. Rethink that you big dope!
Big D

Modesto, CA

#188806 Apr 16, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
If same sex marriage advocates had them on "their side" they would have more numbers too! See how that works?
Stop being so exclusive. Marriage equality means exactly what it says. It doesn't mean marriage is allowed for Big D approved groups only.
I am being inclusive, adding marriage to space aliens and romantically attached sheep herders to your cause.

The law is exclusive, the law outlawing Polygamy is not Prop 8, but was already in in effect. It isn’t my choice or my decision that overturning Prop 8 will not affect polygamy at all, that is the law that has been in place for decades now.

To overturn the law you need to be out getting signatures ( something you have already said you won’t do ) or working within the legal system to have that overturned.

Don’t ask me to do anything that you are not willing to do and blame me for that. That is crap, you know it and so do I.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#188807 Apr 16, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
http://m.vice.com/en_ca/read/a fter-gay-marriage-why-not-poly gamy
Actually, yeah—why are polyamorous marriages between consenting adults illegal?
“Kurtz was right for the most part,” Anita Wagner Illig, a polyamorous-relationships advocate who runs the Practical Polyamory website, told me in an email.“Legalizing same-sex marriage creates a legal precedent where there can be no valid legal premise for denying marriage to more than two people who wish to marry each other… We just disagree as to whether it’s a bad thing.”
Laws against multiple marriages in the US were originally enacted in response to 19th-century Mormon polygamy, and since then, having a bunch of wives has been associated with extreme Mormons like Tom Green and David Kingston who force women to marry them, have sex with young girls, and even engage in incest—horrific, despicable acts by any moral standard. That’s a tough stigma for poly people to overcome, though polyamory has become more and more accepted at large over the past decade.
If TV is a barometer for society’s obsessions, we’re thinking a lot more about group marriage—HBO’s Big Love depicted fundamentalist Mormon polygamy in nuanced, dramatic fashion, and TLC’s Sister Wives portrayed a Mormon polygamous family as being not all that different from “normal” homes. A long story in Newsweek in 2009 focused on nonreligious poly families and was very sympathetic. More recently, ABC’s Wife Swap featured a poly family and Scientific American called “consensual nonmonogamy”(which includes swingers and people in open relationships, not just polyamorists) the “new sexual revolution.” It’s important to note that there are only an estimated 500,000 poly relationships in the US, which is a tiny minority when compared to the 9 million or so gay people in the country, but if you want, you can see this mainstreaming of polyamory as running parallel to the wider acceptance of homosexuality that preceded the current civil rights battle.
Many gay marriage advocates dislike that comparison—they don’t want the public to draw comparisons between gay relationships and “weird” potentially abusive multiwife setups. Back in 2006, Andrew Sullivan wrote,“Legalizing [polygamy] is a bad idea for a society in general for all the usual reasons (abuse of women, the dangers of leaving a pool of unmarried straight men in the population at large, etc.),” an odd mirroring of all those conservatives who’ve talked about how “bad for society” gay marriage would be.
When poly becomes legal, the numbers of people who want to be in a poly marriage will be so small that those bigots and haters against it like Big D, Jizzy and X-Box will probably never have to be offended by the sight of a happy poly family.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#188808 Apr 16, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
I am being inclusive, adding marriage to space aliens and romantically attached sheep herders to your cause.
The law is exclusive, the law outlawing Polygamy is not Prop 8, but was already in in effect. It isn’t my choice or my decision that overturning Prop 8 will not affect polygamy at all, that is the law that has been in place for decades now.
To overturn the law you need to be out getting signatures ( something you have already said you won’t do ) or working within the legal system to have that overturned.
Don’t ask me to do anything that you are not willing to do and blame me for that. That is crap, you know it and so do I.
Imagine if someone used your unfunny stupid space alien schtick against same sex marriage. You would scream bloody murder.

Why do you think it's so brilliant when you use it against other forms of marriage that you don't approve of?

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