Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

There are 20 comments on the www.cnn.com story from Aug 4, 2010, titled Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage. In it, www.cnn.com reports that:

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#188773 Apr 15, 2013
Big D wrote:
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WOW! Both of your inputs are available for Jizzy's pleasure?

WOO-HOO!

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Asian guy go back

Covina, CA

#188774 Apr 15, 2013
Authorities say video surveillance footage from an Albany Wal-Mart store shows a uniformed U.S. Army officer being attacked by a man who had verbally harassed the soldier for his military service.

This Asian guy is a Chinese native, hence he should be shipped by to his communist mother f country.

Along with Piers Morgan that idiot British wankers.
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#188775 Apr 15, 2013
Wow

“Vita e' Bella.”

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#188776 Apr 15, 2013
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Yes that is why people that want to Marry Space Aliens are with you, same wording.
We will have to find someone with some legal sense to explain to you that it still didn’t effect anyone as there was no change to its illegality either in passing it, or overturning it, there will be no change with respect to the law, prop 8 had zero effect on it other than to add to the roadblock that was already there.
We need more people, the larger number of people that want to marry Space Aliens have accepted you Poly folks, how about the Sheep herders?
:D
Space aliens already marry each other Martians (men) marry Venusians (women).

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“Vita e' Bella.”

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#188777 Apr 15, 2013
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MONDAY, APRIL 15, 2013

PROGRESSIVE SLATE.COM ADVOCATES POLYGAMY AS NEXT STEP IN MARRIAGE EQUALITY

SPRINGFIELD - The left-wing furor over State Rep. Tom Morrison (R-Arlington Heights) comparing legalizing gay marriage to legalizing polygamy seems to be a tempest in a teapot created by gay rights supporters. According to one progressive magazine, Morrison is absolutely correct.

Today, Slate.com  promotes the legalization of polygamy using the gay marriage terminology of "equal rights." Is legalizing polygamy next? "One can only hope," Slate.com writer Jillian Keenan says. After all, "If a woman wants to marry a man with three other wives, that's her damn choice."

She continues: "Yes, really. While the Supreme Court and the rest of us are all focused on the human right of marriage equality, let’s not forget that the fight doesn’t end with same-sex marriage. We need to legalize polygamy, too. Legalized polygamy in the United States is the constitutional, feminist, and sex-positive choice. More importantly, it would actually help protect, empower, and strengthen women, children, and families."

She goes on ...
For decades, the prevailing logic has been that polygamy hurts women and children. That makes sense, since in contemporary American practice that is often the case. In many Fundamentalist Latter-day Saints  polygamous communities, for example, women and underage girls are forced into polygamous unions against their will. Some boys, who represent the surplus of males, are brutally thrown out of their homes and driven into homelessness and poverty at very young ages. All of these stories are tragic, and the criminals involved should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.(That goes without saying, I hope.)

But legalizing consensual adult polygamy wouldn’t legalize rape or child abuse. In fact, it would make those crimes easier to combat.

Thus, the effort in earnest to legalize polygamy as the next step after the redefiniton of marriage gay rights in Illinois are advocating with SB 10. 

Who'll be the first to apologize to Rep. Morrison? 

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“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#188778 Apr 15, 2013
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i can ask the same of your side - why does it need to lie, hate or distort anything to have any legitimacy?
if you don't care what the judge says, then that's on you. the judge is the one deciding the case - and now it's before the supreme court. they'll make the final decision. neither you nor i make those legal decisions as we're not seated judges. and by the way, the republicans put him on the bench in the first place, based on his history. for example, he's argued against "the gay games" in court. pretty laughable that you're so convinced he's biased considering that he'd argued against the gay games.
what are you going to do when both Prop 8 and DOMA fall? continue whining like you are now or just shut up and be a grown up and live your life like millions of other americans? the choice is yours my friend.
He had no legitimate basis to rule otherwise regarding gays using the Olympic name. That was proven by the SCOTUS decision.

Please tell me where I have lied or distorted any of the core issues. Even if it were true, it does not excuse the behavior for anyone. Again, why is that necessary for any legitimate cause.

History shows that often decisions violate common sense and just decisions. Nothing changes the fact that ss couples do not equate to marriage at any level. Even a SCOTUS decision cannot change that.

Smile.

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Frankie Rizzo

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#188779 Apr 15, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
http://illinoisreview.typepad. com/illinoisreview/2013/04/sal oncom-advocates-polygamy-as-ne xt-step-in-marriage-equality-. html?utm_source=feedburner &utm_medium=feed&utm_c ampaign=Feed%3A+typepad%2Fdlac omb%2Fillinoisreview+(illinois review)
MONDAY, APRIL 15, 2013
PROGRESSIVE SLATE.COM ADVOCATES POLYGAMY AS NEXT STEP IN MARRIAGE EQUALITY
SPRINGFIELD - The left-wing furor over State Rep. Tom Morrison (R-Arlington Heights) comparing legalizing gay marriage to legalizing polygamy seems to be a tempest in a teapot created by gay rights supporters. According to one progressive magazine, Morrison is absolutely correct.
Today, Slate.com  promotes the legalization of polygamy using the gay marriage terminology of "equal rights." Is legalizing polygamy next? "One can only hope," Slate.com writer Jillian Keenan says. After all, "If a woman wants to marry a man with three other wives, that's her damn choice."
She continues: "Yes, really. While the Supreme Court and the rest of us are all focused on the human right of marriage equality, let’s not forget that the fight doesn’t end with same-sex marriage. We need to legalize polygamy, too. Legalized polygamy in the United States is the constitutional, feminist, and sex-positive choice. More importantly, it would actually help protect, empower, and strengthen women, children, and families."
She goes on ...
For decades, the prevailing logic has been that polygamy hurts women and children. That makes sense, since in contemporary American practice that is often the case. In many Fundamentalist Latter-day Saints  polygamous communities, for example, women and underage girls are forced into polygamous unions against their will. Some boys, who represent the surplus of males, are brutally thrown out of their homes and driven into homelessness and poverty at very young ages. All of these stories are tragic, and the criminals involved should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.(That goes without saying, I hope.)
But legalizing consensual adult polygamy wouldn’t legalize rape or child abuse. In fact, it would make those crimes easier to combat.
Thus, the effort in earnest to legalize polygamy as the next step after the redefiniton of marriage gay rights in Illinois are advocating with SB 10. 
Who'll be the first to apologize to Rep. Morrison? 
When Big D and his ilk finally realize that supporting polygamy is progressive, they will embrace it. Big D will stand on the mountain top and fight anyone who doesn't!

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Floyd

Irving, TX

#188780 Apr 15, 2013
***NEVER FORGET***

Keep Queers Away From Kids!!!
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#188781 Apr 15, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Space aliens already marry each other Martians (men) marry Venusians (women).
Can you imagine if someone used Big D's dumb space alien schtick against same sex marriage? All hell would break loose on Big D's mountaintop. Yet he thinks it's very witty when used against poly.
Asian guy go back

Covina, CA

#188782 Apr 15, 2013
Authorities say video surveillance footage from an Albany Wal-Mart store shows a uniformed U.S. Army officer being attacked by a man who had verbally harassed the soldier for his military service.

This Asian guy is a Chinese native, hence he should be shipped by to his communist mother f country.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#188783 Apr 15, 2013
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Nope, I am just pointing out the one company that does not support same sex marriage. As I have stated before I have work colleges that are in same sex marriages and raising children.
My son works for Microsoft, they are considering pulling offices and manufacturing out of states that do not support marriage equality. They cannot have different rules in different states for their married employees. And they are not the only company talking like that.
It is all just a matter of time now.
The bottom line companies will follow the money, nothing to do with taking any stands. They would hurt more gay people by pulling out of states that don't fit their agenda that has nothing to do with the product.

“Vita e' Bella.”

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#188784 Apr 15, 2013
http://mobile.slate.com/articles/double_x/dou...

Finally, prohibiting polygamy on “feminist” grounds—that these marriages are inherently degrading to the women involved—is misguided. The case for polygamy is, in fact, a feminist one and shows women the respect we deserve. Here’s the thing: As women, we really can make our own choices. We just might choose things people don’t like. If a woman wants to marry a man, that’s great. If she wants to marry another woman, that’s great too. If she wants to marry a hipster, well—I suppose that’s the price of freedom.

And if she wants to marry a man with three other wives, that’s her damn choice.

We have a tendency to dismiss or marginalize people we don’t understand. We see women in polygamous marriages and assume they are victims.“They grew up in an unhealthy environment,” we say.“They didn’t really choose polygamy; they were just born into it.” Without question, that is sometimes true. But it’s also true of many (too many) monogamous marriages. Plenty of women, polygamous or otherwise, are born into unhealthy environments that they repeat later in life. There’s no difference. All marriages deserve access to the support and resources they need to build happy, healthy lives, regardless of how many partners are involved. Arguments about whether a woman’s consensual sexual and romantic choices are “healthy” should have no bearing on the legal process. And while polygamy remains illegal, women who choose this lifestyle don’t have access to the protections and benefits that legal marriage provides.

As a feminist, it’s easy and intuitive to support women who choose education, independence, and careers. It’s not as intuitive to support women who choose values and lifestyles that seem outdated or even sexist, but those women deserve our respect just as much as any others. It’s condescending, not supportive, to minimize them as mere “victims” without considering the possibility that some of them have simply made a different choice.

The definition of marriage is plastic. Just like heterosexual marriage is no better or worse than homosexual marriage, marriage between two consenting adults is not inherently more or less “correct” than marriage among three (or four, or six) consenting adults. Though polygamists are a minority—a tiny minority, in fact—freedom has no value unless it extends to even the smallest and most marginalized groups among us. So let’s fight for marriage equality until it extends to every same-sex couple in the United States—and then let’s keep fighting. We’re not done yet.

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#188785 Apr 15, 2013
Jaredb8 wrote:
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Go back to the playground and bully someone.
Bigot.

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#188786 Apr 15, 2013
Jaredb8 wrote:
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Limited brain? Pot meet kettle!
Looking in the mirror again?
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#188789 Apr 15, 2013
just the facts wrote:
<quoted text>you mad rite?
Yes I am. Your wife gave me the clap again and it's YOUR FAULT! Get tested. Where the hell have you been?
Asian guy go back

Covina, CA

#188791 Apr 15, 2013
Authorities say video surveillance footage from an Albany Wal-Mart store shows a uniformed U.S. Army officer being attacked by a man who had verbally harassed the soldier for his military service.

This Asian guy is a Chinese native, hence he should be shipped by to his communist mother f country.

Deport all communists from USA.
Closet door

Covina, CA

#188793 Apr 15, 2013
South Carolina senator Lindsey Graham (republican) announced earlier today that he will come out of the closet in a few more months.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#188796 Apr 16, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Space aliens already marry each other Martians (men) marry Venusians (women).
you forgot about the other sexes of space aliens and men or women marrying one of those other sexes :D

That is why those people that want o marry space aliens are joining you Poly people doubling your numbers, now if you can get the romantically attached sheep herders you will have even more on your side
Pietro Armando

Schenectady, NY

#188799 Apr 16, 2013
http://m.vice.com/en_ca/read/after-gay-marria...

Actually, yeah—why are polyamorous marriages between consenting adults illegal?

“Kurtz was right for the most part,” Anita Wagner Illig, a polyamorous-relationships advocate who runs the Practical Polyamory website, told me in an email.“Legalizing same-sex marriage creates a legal precedent where there can be no valid legal premise for denying marriage to more than two people who wish to marry each other… We just disagree as to whether it’s a bad thing.”

Laws against multiple marriages in the US were originally enacted in response to 19th-century Mormon polygamy, and since then, having a bunch of wives has been associated with extreme Mormons like Tom Green and David Kingston who force women to marry them, have sex with young girls, and even engage in incest—horrific, despicable acts by any moral standard. That’s a tough stigma for poly people to overcome, though polyamory has become more and more accepted at large over the past decade.

If TV is a barometer for society’s obsessions, we’re thinking a lot more about group marriage—HBO’s Big Love depicted fundamentalist Mormon polygamy in nuanced, dramatic fashion, and TLC’s Sister Wives portrayed a Mormon polygamous family as being not all that different from “normal” homes. A long story in Newsweek in 2009 focused on nonreligious poly families and was very sympathetic. More recently, ABC’s Wife Swap featured a poly family and Scientific American called “consensual nonmonogamy”(which includes swingers and people in open relationships, not just polyamorists) the “new sexual revolution.” It’s important to note that there are only an estimated 500,000 poly relationships in the US, which is a tiny minority when compared to the 9 million or so gay people in the country, but if you want, you can see this mainstreaming of polyamory as running parallel to the wider acceptance of homosexuality that preceded the current civil rights battle.

Many gay marriage advocates dislike that comparison—they don’t want the public to draw comparisons between gay relationships and “weird” potentially abusive multiwife setups. Back in 2006, Andrew Sullivan wrote,“Legalizing [polygamy] is a bad idea for a society in general for all the usual reasons (abuse of women, the dangers of leaving a pool of unmarried straight men in the population at large, etc.),” an odd mirroring of all those conservatives who’ve talked about how “bad for society” gay marriage would be.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#188800 Apr 16, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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He had no legitimate basis to rule otherwise regarding gays using the Olympic name. That was proven by the SCOTUS decision.
Please tell me where I have lied or distorted any of the core issues. Even if it were true, it does not excuse the behavior for anyone. Again, why is that necessary for any legitimate cause.
History shows that often decisions violate common sense and just decisions. Nothing changes the fact that ss couples do not equate to marriage at any level. Even a SCOTUS decision cannot change that.
Smile.
And yet SCOTUS's decision to legalize homosexual intercourse still stands. In spite of all of your huffing and puffing about sodomy, there's nothing you can do.

Maybe this will inspire you to flee the country.

My fingers are crossed.

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