Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

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A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#186770 Apr 5, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
"...a desire to feel equal to us..."
"...bombarded by your inferior side trumpeting on about how equal you are..."
"We don't want our kids indoctrinated..."
"You have no right to tell us about yourselves..."
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1.) I DO feel equal to you. Is there any doubt in your mind that people like me are not your equal?
2.) No one is indoctrinating your kids. I don't know about you, but knew about gays when I was very young. If I'm not mistaken, it was a preacher who talked about it. Then I clearly remember a pamphlet from church that talked about Sodom and Gomorrah--showing men touching other men.
3.) What is it that bothers you so much about our telling you about ourselves? I doubt that any gay person has ever said anything more to you than "I'm gay". If anyone has regaled you with explicit details of their sex life, then that person was an idiot.
Typically, it's you guys who let your imaginations run wild--grossing yourselves out with lurid images--wondering to yourselves, "who's the man and who's the woman?".
When I haven't spoken to someone in years and I reconnect with them on facebook, one of the first questions they ask is "Are you married?" Second question is "do you have kids?"
I respond honestly and say, "No, I'm gay."
What's so disturbing about that?
1) Fine.
2) Yes, they are, when the kids are taught about sexual matters, in the 1st grade.
3) Telling about yourselves over the mass media is a far cry from merely "telling about" yourselves, it is a publicity stunt. And, if you think that that is all I've ever heard, from gay people, then you are mistaken.
There is nothing disturbing about your PRIVATE Facebook conversations, but then again, that is not what I was talking about, now, was it?
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#186771 Apr 5, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>If they rename it to Milk, they should have a special pedophile wing.
How about, they re-name it "Anita Bryant International Airport"? And give free orange juice to anyone who signs an "Anti-SSM"etition?
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#186772 Apr 5, 2013
poledancer45 wrote:
<quoted text>Why do you fight gay rights... why not just accept that others are different from you and move on with your life... I mean really doesn't that make the most sense
No, what makes sense is that marriage is for man/woman. You have all the rights that the government gives me, in the Constitution. Which doesn't mention being gay and being allowed to marry. We haven't left our lives behind to combat your sides covetous lobbying, we make time to include sticking up for our side, why don't you go back to YOUR lives, and stop this assault on common sense?

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#186773 Apr 5, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
OK you stick with the slippery slope, but I should warn you, it wonít bother anyone other than you people that are already scared to death that same sex couples can marry in 10 states and one district and are recognized in 12 and that number is growing every year.
That's just the point, isn't it? The continued devaluation of marriage as a privileged union of husband and wife. Now we have husband and husband, wife and wife. So next is husband and wives, and wife and husbands. After that, will it matter? But if that's the ultimate goal of the SSM movement....
That argument wont work on anyone else, and your numbers are dwindling as to the folks that argument will work on.
What argument? That marriage is on the decline? That its what ever the latest movement says it is. Why are YOU afraid of it being further redefined?
It certainly didnít work with the courts, I donít know who you are trying to convince. That kind of "scary" argument will only work on the fearful and those that already want to dictate to everyone else what they are allowed to do.
Oooooooh.....so scary. If you're that unafraid why is polygamy such s bogeyman? Seriously, ya can't really argue for SSM, and against poly without your hipocracy showing. Why not just be like Flo from Progressive insurance, and bundle them together, to save time and money?

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#186774 Apr 5, 2013
poledancer45 wrote:
<quoted text>so why are you a communist then
I'm a pastafarian.
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#186775 Apr 5, 2013
poledancer45 wrote:
<quoted text>Look i'm a hetero female with a transsexual child and in no way does gay rights impact my life as a hetero female and its just ludicrously silly when people make the claim that marriage will be harmed
Yes, Lililth, we know. You have also threatened to cut and slice anyone who says a bad word to your child. How's the school going?
SkinTight

Covina, CA

#186776 Apr 5, 2013
Pro-H8 Bigots who donated in Glendora, CA
http://www.sfgate.com/webdb/prop8/
Bigots in Glendora, CA who donated $$$ to the Yes on H8 campaign, how much and when:
Greg Hendrix $250.00 11/03/08
Kenn Ramage $1,000.00 11/02/08
Robert Jones $100.00 11/02/08
Bernard Weber $100.00 10/31/08
John Andonian $200.00 10/31/08
Lynn Green $50.00 10/31/08
Cindy Mcclain $125.00 10/29/08
Doreen Costello $20.00 10/29/08
John Blenkinship $100.00 10/29/08
Karon Mackay $250.00 10/29/08
Michelle Mackay $500.00 10/29/08
Phyllis Wong $99.00 10/29/08
Thomas Marchetti $10.00 10/29/08
William Thompson $100.00 10/29/08
Alice Rubow $100.00 10/28/08
Desiree Ackerman $100.00 10/28/08
Jeffrey Murphy DDS $100.00 10/28/08
John Richards $200.00 10/28/08
Kristen White $250.00 10/28/08
Alex Lukes $45.00 10/27/08
Cathy Packer $100.00 10/27/08
Gregory Hendrix $200.00 10/27/08
Heather Giles $450.00 10/27/08
Lu Ann Jenson $100.00 10/27/08
Marilyn Batt $150.00 10/27/08
Sheryl Bell $100.00 10/27/08
Thomas Marchetti $10.00 10/27/08
Todd Giles $450.00 10/27/08
Hector Kistemann $100.00 10/26/08
Lori Sefton $500.00 10/26/08
Marie Pepe $100.00 10/26/08
James Watkins $500.00 10/25/08
Kathleen Szczepanski $100.00 10/24/08
Thomas Marchetti $25.00 10/24/08
Gregg Stowell $100.00 10/23/08
Heather Giles $9,500.00 10/23/08
Monica Macciola $50.00 10/23/08
Scott Duncan $100.00 10/23/08
Thomas Marchetti $14.00 10/23/08
Todd Russell $150.00 10/22/08
Alice Rubow $100.00 10/20/08
Cindy Mcclain $99.00 10/20/08
John Andonian $50.00 10/20/08
Lynn Green $100.00 10/20/08
Michael Smith $200.00 10/14/08
Orville Mestad $201.00 10/14/08
Timothy Butcher $250.00 10/11/08
Michael Mcdermott $250.00 10/10/08
Alice Rubow $250.00 10/09/08
Phil Martinez $100.00 10/09/08
Diego Dibenedetto $50.00 10/08/08
Julie Favro $99.00 10/08/08
Thomas Marchetti $10.00 10/08/08
Paul Jex $100.00 10/07/08
Alice Rubow $500.00 10/04/08
David Bishop $100.00 10/04/08
Thomas Marchetti $25.00 10/04/08
Dorothy Hatch $25,000.00 10/03/08
Kathryn Scott $300.00 10/03/08
Maria Berbee $100.00 10/03/08
William Thompson $100.00 10/03/08
Gaile Lawson $100.00 10/02/08
John Blenkinship $200.00 10/01/08
Jarold Laidlaw $500.00 09/30/08
Frank Macciol $100.00 09/26/08
Janell Hall $100.00 09/25/08
Bard Smith $200.00 09/24/08
Gary Blackburn $1,000.00 09/24/08
John Watkins $500.00 09/21/08
Bryan Chase $100.00 09/18/08
Don Kitchen $500.00 09/18/08
Stanley Gunstream $100.00 09/18/08
David Jackson $1,000.00 09/17/08
Henry Nichols $25.00 09/17/08
Kim Holmes $1,500.00 09/17/08
Kjelstrom & Associates, Inc.$1,000.00 09/17/08
Thomas Marchetti $25.00 09/17/08
Pamela Dupre $1,000.00 09/16/08
Ronald Willes $500.00 09/16/08
Alice Rubow $100.00 09/15/08
Diane Larson $500.00 09/14/08
Wiley Ogle $100.00 09/11/08
Julie Foth $1,000.00 09/10/08
June Hamlow $100.00 09/10/08
Sharilin Miller $1,000.00 09/10/08
Thomas Marchetti $10.00 09/10/08
Classic Floor Care, Inc.$250.00 09/09/08
Jae Walker $500.00 09/07/08
Marilyn Batt $250.00 09/07/08
Lynn Green $50.00 09/05/08
Robert Felten $100.00 09/05/08
John Phelan $250.00 09/04/08
Russell Corbett $1,000.00 09/03/08
Mark Hyer DDS $500.00 08/31/08
Miller & Hooker Cpa'S, Inc $500.00 08/31/08
Patrell Engineering Group, Inc.$1,000.00 08/31/08
Thomas Marchetti $25.00 08/29/08
Charlene Thomson $2,000.00 08/28/08
Henry Nichols $25.00 08/28/08
Melinda Hertzberg $500.00 08/28/08
Daniel O'Bryant $5,000.00 08/26/08
William Christiansen $100.00 08/26/08
William Raymond $1,000.00 08/26/08
Barbara Nelson $200.00 08/24/08
Katrina Bishop $250.00 08/21/08
Richard Kirkham $250.00 08/21/08
Robert Moehle $5,000.00 08/21/08
Ernest Jackson $500.00 08/20/08
Kaelene Petersen $100.00 08/20/08
Rebecca Hawkins $9,500.00 08/20/08
Ronna Gibson $500.00 08/20/08
Raymond Hertzberg $500.00 08/19/08
June Hambleton $1,000.00 08/17/08
Kendall Merkley $1,000.00 08/17/08
Stacey Segura $250.00 08/17/08
Thomas Marchetti $10.00 08/17/08
Davis Bench $100.00 08/14/08
Don Hunt $1,000.00 08/14/08
Douglas Bench $250.00 08/14/08
SkinTight

Covina, CA

#186777 Apr 5, 2013
Pro-H8 Bigots who donated in Glendora, CA

http://www.sfgate.com/webdb/prop8/

Bigots in Glendora, CA who donated $$$ to the Yes on H8 campaign, how much and when:

Natalie Bench $200.00 08/14/08
W Douglas Steimle $2,500.00 08/14/08
Bard Smith $100.00 08/13/08
Douglas Bench $30.00 08/13/08
Jeffrey Murphy DDS $1,000.00 08/13/08
Lori Mcdonnel $1,000.00 08/13/08
Stephen Larson $250.00 08/12/08
Kjelstrom & Associates, Inc.$99.00 08/06/08
Thomas Marchetti $25.00 08/04/08
John Blenkinship $100.00 08/01/08
Thomas Marchetti $50.00 07/25/08
Robert Felten $100.00 05/22/08
Lillian Griffith $100.00 05/21/08
Lynn Green $50.00 03/17/08
Lynn Green $50.00 01/14/08
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#186778 Apr 5, 2013
poledancer45 wrote:
<quoted text>Marriage is actually strenghtened by gay marriage
Actually, it isn't. It is diminished by it. The prestige attached to it suffers, as does the available funding for legitimate couples, due to having to spread around the $$. Among other damage.
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#186779 Apr 5, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>True, it's creepy how he keeps writing about talking to little boys all the time.
Yeah, but don't forget, he has said that he could have you arrested for the same thing, although, when I questioned him about what he thinks that would be, he forgot to answer me, or something.....Dodged the question, I think. He made a silly, baseless claim, and couldn't account for it.

RIGHT, BIG D? Remember that I asked you "And that would be?" and added (you can't be serious)?
:-D
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#186780 Apr 5, 2013
Across The Pond wrote:
<quoted text>
Obviously not anymore,what are you the village moron? 10 states and counting now isn't it? That makes your bigoted post a lie! Try again sport! Yuk,Yuk,Yuk!
You try again, sportie little ponce. First, you don't even live here, what could your dense ass know? Second, if 10 support it, that means that 40 do not, not counting territories. This makes YOU the county dunce. Tee. Hee. Hee. Care to try again, nancy-boi?

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#186781 Apr 5, 2013
SkinTight wrote:
Pro-H8 Bigots who donated in Glendora, CA
http://www.sfgate.com/webdb/prop8/
Bigots in Glendora, CA who donated $$$ to the Yes on H8 campaign, how much and when:
Natalie Bench $200.00 08/14/08
W Douglas Steimle $2,500.00 08/14/08
Bard Smith $100.00 08/13/08
Douglas Bench $30.00 08/13/08
Jeffrey Murphy DDS $1,000.00 08/13/08
Lori Mcdonnel $1,000.00 08/13/08
Stephen Larson $250.00 08/12/08
Kjelstrom & Associates, Inc.$99.00 08/06/08
Thomas Marchetti $25.00 08/04/08
John Blenkinship $100.00 08/01/08
Thomas Marchetti $50.00 07/25/08
Robert Felten $100.00 05/22/08
Lillian Griffith $100.00 05/21/08
Lynn Green $50.00 03/17/08
Lynn Green $50.00 01/14/08
Where the list of anti conjugal marriage bigots who donated money to defeat Prop8husband&wifeMate?
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#186782 Apr 5, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you know how some Christians like announce over and over again that they are Christian? They have crosses around their necks. They have that "Jesus fish" think on their bumper. They always seem to have a piece of scripture on their tongue. Heck, there are entire network stations devoted to Christianity.
The same can be said for Judaism. The same can be said for Islam.
Are you as frustrated with these folks who seem to always be pushing their religion on you? Do you get as outraged at them when they want to "indoctrinate" your children in public schools or in other public areas?
Here's the thing... The dust will eventually settle down. LGBT people won't always have a need to "come out". At some point in the future--probably long after you and I are gone--being gay will be seen as perfectly normal. There won't be any need for us to make an special effort to make our presence known.
Ahh. You DO admit to having "special needs", then? Good. And you DO admit that "coming out" is a "special effort"? Good. Your need doesn't include any obligation, on my part, to have to listen to it. Keep it to yourselves, and tote your own loads. Used to be, in order to unburden oneself, one had to go to a psychiatrist, and pay large money to someone to listen to this type of self-indulgent whining. Now, it is publicity stunts and propaganda.
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#186783 Apr 5, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you know how some Christians like announce over and over again that they are Christian? They have crosses around their necks. They have that "Jesus fish" think on their bumper. They always seem to have a piece of scripture on their tongue. Heck, there are entire network stations devoted to Christianity.
The same can be said for Judaism. The same can be said for Islam.
Are you as frustrated with these folks who seem to always be pushing their religion on you? Do you get as outraged at them when they want to "indoctrinate" your children in public schools or in other public areas?
Here's the thing... The dust will eventually settle down. LGBT people won't always have a need to "come out". At some point in the future--probably long after you and I are gone--being gay will be seen as perfectly normal. There won't be any need for us to make an special effort to make our presence known.
So sorry, almost forgot....Religion and airing out ones guilty conscience are 2 different things, no? Please leave out the self-aggrandizement, it doesn't do.
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#186784 Apr 5, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes... In fact we are trying to convert heterosexuals. But not in the way you intimate.
We are trying to change your minds about homosexuality. We are in a movement to show you that we are equal to you in EVERY way; that we function normally in society just like you do. We are trying to show you that we will not be treated as a group of people who are willing to be hated and vilified out of your ignorance of science and your adherence to archaic religious beliefs.
In short, we're trying to get you to wrap your mind around the fact that we are like you in every way except a small aspect of our lives.
THAT is how we are trying to convert heterosexuals.
Unlike you, we ARE NOT on a mission to attempt to get you to change your attractions.
Get it now?
We already got it. You wish for us to ignore the obvious differences in the relationships. This, we cannot do. Go live your lives. Do not seek that which you do not rate. We are equals, in every Constitutional way. Since the Constitution does not mention SSM, we are equals. We can all vote, own property, own and bear arms, etc. Go and enjoy your rights, as we do.
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#186785 Apr 5, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly
what is it about those that oppose same sex marriage that their marriages are so terribly fragile that they are like frightened little children.
My marriage is fine, same sex marriage has not harmed me or my children in any way at all.
Why should it?
"Fragile"? Laughable attempt to feel superior. Your marriage HAS been damaged, you're just too dense to realize it. Must be a little too difficult to notice it, from up on high...
Randys Momma from beyond

Elmwood Park, IL

#186786 Apr 5, 2013
Randy -Rock- Hudson wrote:
<quoted text>
We already got it. You wish for us to ignore the obvious differences in the relationships. This, we cannot do. Go live your lives. Do not seek that which you do not rate. We are equals, in every Constitutional way. Since the Constitution does not mention SSM, we are equals. We can all vote, own property, own and bear arms, etc. Go and enjoy your rights, as we do.
The constitution does not specifically disallow SSM, so it must be legal already.
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#186787 Apr 5, 2013
just the facts wrote:
<quoted text>And there you have it. Marriage to you is a sanctioned fluckfest, a god ordained ticket to procreation. Well good for you. My marriage is about sharing my life with my wife. Any one can have sex you moron, and you damn sure don't need to be married to do so. What a sad life you have.
Any gay can share their life with another, without making false claims to a title that they do not rate. You're the sad one. We know about sex, you clot, and it is no basis for a marriage. We know 'bout that, too.
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#186788 Apr 5, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes.. my wife is my best friend, my closest confidant and harshest critic, the one I share my hopes and dreams with, she is not my property, but my partner in life
I donít see any reason not to extend that to same sex couples.
Tradition mean nothing to me, traditionally Christians were murdered for entertainment. Just because something was true long ago, does not make it a good thing for today.
"I donít see any reason not to extend that to same sex couples." Well, we do. And, as per the Christians, they also murdered my lot for no good reason, and I still maintain respect for them. Was not surprised, however, to note X-Box's little hissie fit "Happy dead jew on a stick day", what can one expect, from a fine example of a serious lack of breeding and class, such as he/she/it? I suppose that he/she/it was enthused about it being called "Cesar Chavez Day"...
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#186789 Apr 5, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope, only rap stars with songs like "slap my bitch up" refer to and thank god publically
How sad, that you have to go back to a song, from 1997, and it was "Smack My Bitch Up"... Which actually meant to "up ones game", not a reference to wife-beating. And, I am surprised that you appear to dislike rappers. Watch out, you'll have Chongo calling you a racist, in no time at all.... Just for the record, it also annoys me when they all thank God for making them winners, as if, LOL, God was micro-managing them...

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