Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

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A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#186223 Apr 2, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Can you cite any holy text that describes same sex marriage? I didn't claim some church or denomination didn't perform same sex marriage, some do. I claim there is no theological basis in any holy text that defines marriage as anything other than male/female.
There may be no scripture that describes same-sex marriage. But you'll also not find scripture that describes electricy, Dr. Pepper, lawn mowers, non-stick cooking pans, antiacids, suspension bridges,(I could go on for pages...)

Do we need to live our lives so narrowly that we eliminate all things from society that aren't mentioned in the Books of the Bible?

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#186224 Apr 2, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>We have the freedom to practice our religions; you don't have the right to force your radical secular extremism on us.
Where do you think laws against incest come from, if not religion?
I think modern incest laws are also based on biology; specifically, the possible problematic outcomes of babies born to incestuous couples.

As an FYI:

In the United States the District of Columbia and every state, except Rhode Island, have some form of codified incest prohibition. However, individual statutes vary widely. Rhode Island repealed its criminal incest statute in 1989. Ohio only targets parental figures. New Jersey does not apply any penalties when both parties are 18 years of age or older.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#186225 Apr 2, 2013
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1012 Questions, Coronation of Shislam Rba, Baptism of Hibil Ziwa, Haran Gawaita, the Arzhang, the Holy Piby, the Kebra Negast, the speeches and writings of Haile Selassie I, the Samaritan Pentateuch, Dianetics: the Modern Science of Mental Health, the Kojiki, the Nihon Shoki or Nihongi, illuminated Guru Granth folio with nisan (Mool Mantar) of Guru Gobind Singh. Collection of Takht Sri Harimandir Sahib, Patna, the Guru Granth Sahib, the Dasven Padshah Da Granth, the Spirits Book, the Book on Mediums, the Gospel According to Spiritism, Heaven and Hell, the Genesis According to Spiritism, Cover of the Holy Books of thelema by Aleister Crowley, Daozang, Tao Te Ching, Zhuangzi, the Ofudesaki, the Mikagura-uta, the Osashizu, Holy Books of Thelema especially The Book of the Law, Divine Principle, Yazidi Black Book, Yazidi Book of Revelation, Yasna 28.1 (Bodleian MS J2), Primary religious texts, that is, the Avesta collection: the Yasna, the primary liturgical collection, includes the Gathas, the Visperad, a collection of supplements to the Yasna, the Yashts, hymns in honor of the divinities, the Vendidad, the Yashts the five Nyaishes, the Sirozeh and the Afringans (blessings).
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#186226 Apr 2, 2013
Borrowed with permission from "Uves Ghost"-

There are a number of colorful re-definitions of terms the left has accomplished. They've been so successful, I needed to compile a list of terms the left uses and their new definitions, so here's the start. Please add yours.

Progress - To move backwards toward proven failure.

Progressive - one who succeeds at proven failure.

Hate - To disagree with a progressive.

Conservatives - Those who hate.

Racist - One who points out the failures of Progressives.

Fair - to benefit the government at the cost of the citizenry.

Privileged - to have earned one's wealth.

The 1%- The richest 1% excluding the Kennedy's, Spielbergs, Gates, Feinsteins, Pelosis, Buffets, and other Progressives.

Middle class - people too busy working and raising families to keep a close eye on progressives.

Millionaire and Billionaires - Employers.

Welfare - Low income.

Families - Unwed mothers with bastard children.

Minimum wage - Government-mandated payment to someone of more than they are worth.

Hateful - Normal human reaction to mental illness-induced deviant behavior.

Diverse - Doctrinally pure and completely unwavering from Marxist/progressive dogma.

Art - Anything which degrades normal human behavior or cultural norms.

Religion - a type of insanity which needs to be wiped out.

Islam - the only religion which should be tolerated.

Christians - Jerry Falwell's fictional retarded Nazi stormtroopers who hate women and want to outlaw condoms.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#186227 Apr 2, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
I think modern incest laws are also based on biology; specifically, the possible problematic outcomes of babies born to incestuous couples. As an FYI: In the United States the District of Columbia and every state, except Rhode Island, have some form of codified incest prohibition. However, individual statutes vary widely. Rhode Island repealed its criminal incest statute in 1989. Ohio only targets parental figures. New Jersey does not apply any penalties when both parties are 18 years of age or older.
Can you cite a problematic outcome of a baby born from an incestuous relationship? Do you have any biology or medical references that describes the problems of incestuous births?

More likely, modern incest laws are based on biblical laws that prohibit incest in order to desexualize the home. That's why biblical law condemns inccest even in the case of adoption, where there is no close genetic relationship.
Anonymous

Springfield, MA

#186228 Apr 2, 2013
just the facts wrote:
<quoted text>What about lesbians?
That's what I meant by vice versa. Lesbians bother me more than gays do

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#186230 Apr 2, 2013
It seems like you guys who are against same-gender marriage would want us to pair up with one another instead of risking a closeted gay guy (or gal) marrying you or someone in your family.

Imagine you or one of your children being in a marriage for 10 or 15 years and one day the spouse comes in, sits you down, and says to you, "Honey, I've been fighting these feelings for years, but I can't fight any more. I am gay. I guess I've always known, but my preacher told me to just 'eat' my feelings and try to cure myself. I want a divorce."
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#186231 Apr 2, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
I have no tolerance at all for the intolerant my wife often tells me :)
If you have "no tolerance at all" then you are intolerant. And have no tolerance for yourself.

Since: Apr 13

Bellevue, WA

#186232 Apr 2, 2013
Country-Girl22 wrote:
<quoted text>That's what I meant by vice versa. Lesbians bother me more than gays do
Why????? you being bothered by two people in love bothers me!!!

Since: Apr 13

Bellevue, WA

#186233 Apr 2, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Can you cite a problematic outcome of a baby born from an incestuous relationship? Do you have any biology or medical references that describes the problems of incestuous births?
More likely, modern incest laws are based on biblical laws that prohibit incest in order to desexualize the home. That's why biblical law condemns inccest even in the case of adoption, where there is no close genetic relationship.
You must really have a lonely life
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#186234 Apr 2, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Can you cite a problematic outcome of a baby born from an incestuous relationship? Do you have any biology or medical references that describes the problems of incestuous births?
More likely, modern incest laws are based on biblical laws that prohibit incest in order to desexualize the home. That's why biblical law condemns inccest even in the case of adoption, where there is no close genetic relationship.
Continued inbreeding may increase some medical problems slightly but occasional inbreeding hardly ever.

So there is no reason I can't marry my sister. Besides, procreation is irrelevant to marriage we have been recently taught, correcting centuries of improper thought.

And sis is SMOKIN' HOT!
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#186235 Apr 2, 2013
poledancer45 wrote:
<quoted text>You must really have a lonely life
That's irrelevant.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#186236 Apr 2, 2013
poledancer45 wrote:
<quoted text>Why????? you being bothered by two people in love bothers me!!!
Are you still dancing the pole at 45? Good for you! How's tips though?

Since: Apr 13

Bellevue, WA

#186238 Apr 2, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you still dancing the pole at 45? Good for you! How's tips though?
Still very good!!!

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#186239 Apr 2, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Can you cite a problematic outcome of a baby born from an incestuous relationship? Do you have any biology or medical references that describes the problems of incestuous births?
More likely, modern incest laws are based on biblical laws that prohibit incest in order to desexualize the home. That's why biblical law condemns inccest even in the case of adoption, where there is no close genetic relationship.
Since I'm not a biologist or a medical professional, I have to rely on the Internet. Here's a bit I found... "Inbreeding leads to a higher probability of congenital birth defects because it increases that proportion of zygotes that are homozygous, in particular for deleterious recessive alleles that produce such disorders."

Another article states, "Doctors are worried about all close incestuous parings that result in a child, since such children have a much higher risk of disabilities."

Regarding incest and religion...

--According to most Biblical scholars, it is widely believe that Cain married his sister (since there were no other people on the planet).

--Abraham married his half sister Sara. They shared the same father, but not the same mother.

--Nachor (Abrahamís brother) married Melcha (his niece).

--Two of Lot's daughters got Lot drunk and had sex with him to preserve "the seed" of their father.

--Amram took to wife Jochabed his aunt by the fatherís side: and she bore him Aaron and Moses (so Aaron and Moses were the result of a marriage between their father and their father's aunt).

--Amnon, the son of David, fell in love with his sister, Thomar and had sex with her against her will.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#186240 Apr 2, 2013
poledancer45 wrote:
<quoted text>Still very good!!!
Good for you!

Since: Mar 12

Milwaukee

#186243 Apr 2, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Not at all, I'm saying all holy texts either define marriage as male/female or they don't discuss marriage at all. Here, I'll list some of them for you to check:

Pyramid texts, the Epic of Gilgamesh, the Rigveda, the Avesta, the Diamond Sutra, the Guru Granth Sahib, the Vedas,the Bhagavad Gita, the Qur'an, Homeric Hymns, Theogony, the Great Hymn to the Aten, the Ayyavazhi, The Akilathirattu Ammanai, the Arul Nool, Bah√°'√≠ Faith, the Kit√°b-i-Aqdas, Kit√°b-i-√ćq√°n, B√∂n, Kangyur and Tengyur, the ravada Buddhism, the Tipitaka aka Pali Canon, Vinaya Pitaka, Sutta Pitaka, Digha Nikaya, the "long" discourses, the Majjhima Nikaya, the "middle-length" discourses, Samyutta Nikaya, the "connected" discourses, Anguttara Nikaya, the "numerical" discourses, Khuddaka Nikaya, the "minor collection", Abhidhamma Pitaka, the East Asian Mahayana, the Chinese Buddhist Tripi?aka, the Heart Sutra, the Shurangama Sutra and its Shurangama Mantra, Pure Land Buddhism, Infinite Life Sutra, Amitabha Sutra, Contemplation Sutra, other Pure Land Sutras, Tiantai, Tendai, and Nichiren, Lotus Sutra, the Shingon, the Mahavairocana Sutra, Vajrasekhara Sutra, the Tibetan Kangyur and Tengyur, Cheondoism, the Donghak Scripture, the Songs of Yongdam, the Sermons of Master Haeweol, the Sermons of Revered Teacher Euiam, Nag Hammadi library and other Gnostic texts, the Book of Mormon, the Pearl of Great Price, the Doctrine and Covenants, the Apocrypha, the Book of Enoch, the Five Classics of Confucianism, the Four Books, the Thirteen Classics, the Principia Discordia, Rasa'il al-hikmah (Epistles of Wisdom), Coffin Texts, the Book of the Dead, Book of Caverns, Book of Gates, Amduat, Book of the Heavenly Cow, Litany of Re,
the Cippus of Perugia, 3rd or 2nd century BCE, Cippus Perusinus, Liber Linteus, Pyrgi Tablets, Tabula Cortonensis, Hermetica, Emerald Tablet and associated writings, Sruti, Vedas: Rig Veda, Sama Veda, Yajur Veda, Atharva Veda, Brahmanas, Aranyakas, Upanishads, Smriti, Itihasas, Mahabharata, Ramayana, Puranas, Bhagavata Purana, Tantras, Stotras, Ashtavakra Gita, Gherand Samhita, Gita Govinda, Hatha Yoga Pradipika, Yoga Vasistha, Purva Mimamsa Sutras, In Vedanta (Uttar Mimamsa), Brahma Sutras of Vyasa, Yoga Sutras of Patanjali, Samkhya Sutras of Kapila, Nyaya Sutras of Gautama, Vaisheshika Sutras of Kanada, vaikhanasa Samhitas, Pancaratra Samhitas, Sakta Tantras, 64 Bhairavagamas, 28 Shaiva Agamas, Shiva Sutras of Vasugupta, Vijnana Bhairava Tantra, Pashupata Sutras of Lakulish, Panchartha-bhashya of Kaundinya (a commentary on the Pashupata Sutras), Ganakarika, Ratnatika of Bhasarvajna, 28 Saiva Agamas, Tirumurai (canon of 12 works), Meykandar Shastras (canon of 14 works), Brahma Samhita, Jayadeva's Gita Govinda, Krishna-karnamrita, Chaitanya Bhagavata, Chaitanya Charitamrita, Prema-bhakti-candrika, Hari-bhakti-vilasa, poems of Kabir, poems of Dadu, the Qur'an, the Hadith, Svetambara, 11 Angas, 12 Upangas, 4 Mula-sutras, 6 Cheda-sutras, 2 Culika-sutras, 10 Prakirnakas, Digambara, Karmaprabhrita, also called Satkhandagama, Kashayaprabhrita, Jina Vijaya, Tattvartha Sutra, GandhaHasti Mahabhashya, the Tanakh, Torah, Nevi'im, Ketuvim, the Talmud, Mishnah, Gemara, the Satanic Bible, Siddhanta Shikhamani, Vachana sahitya, Mantra Gopya, Shoonya Sampadane, 28 Agamas, Karana Hasuge, Basava Purana, the Ginza Rba, Book of the Zodiac, Qolusta, Canonical Prayerbook, Book of John the Baptizer, Diwan Abatur, Purgatories...
You are great at cut and paste.

Since: Mar 12

Milwaukee

#186244 Apr 2, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>We have the freedom to practice our religions; you don't have the right to force your radical secular extremism on us.

Where do you think laws against incest come from, if not religion?
Incest laws come from not wanting children with a third eye or some other defect. Gays and lesbians can't reproduce as a couple so nothing to worry about there.

Since: Mar 12

Milwaukee

#186245 Apr 2, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>We have the freedom to practice our religions; you don't have the right to force your radical secular extremism on us.

Where do you think laws against incest come from, if not religion?
You are forcing your religion on us not the other way around. I wouldn't want you at my wedding nor would you be invited. If I marry another man it wouldn't affect you at all. You wouldn't even know it happened. By you imposing your beliefs you are affecting me directly from stopping me from getting married. So before you preach to me please look in the mirror and start with yourself.

Since: Mar 12

Milwaukee

#186246 Apr 2, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>We have the freedom to practice our religions; you don't have the right to force your radical secular extremism on us.

Where do you think laws against incest come from, if not religion?
It's the same argument as abortion. You can have your beliefs and disagree with it but you can't impose those beliefs upon someone else that does not believe the same thing. It's apples to apples gay marriage is the same thing. You are trying to impose your beliefs upon others that don't agree with you. I hope you are smart enough to realize its the same basis for argument and judgement.

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