Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 Full story: www.cnn.com 201,360

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#185945 Mar 31, 2013
Marram wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry to hear that Rock.
Thank you, sir. I found out when I awoke in Smyrna, TN. My buddy had called me up, and asked if it was true, and that was how I found out. No-one at my job wanted to tell me.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#185946 Mar 31, 2013
Randy -Rock- Hudson wrote:
I'd be on my way to Toledo, Ohio for a quick trailer swap tonight, but a tragedy at work a month ago presents the opportunity for IRS seizure of assets, due to the fact that my boss, who was suffering from the rarest form of leukemia in the world, put a .380 to his head and got off the train at Willoughby. And I found our sally ports blockaded tonight. BTW, my boss was gay, and I loved him like a brother. Used to hang notes on his truck, and his back, "Gay man" and such. We had a great relationship, right up until he lost hope. No-one else at work had the guts to jest with him about it, and I will miss him. Thought I'd throw that one in, just to show that I don't hate gays for a second.
If anyone cares to look at it:
http://www.the-daily-record.com/obituaries/20...
He was like an older brother to me.
My condolences.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#185947 Mar 31, 2013
Randy -Rock- Hudson wrote:
Hey, Frankie, I have taken the lead, even my joke earned me some points, and my mention of my boss got some more. The actual offering was sparse, leading me to surmise that Chongo isn't around tonight, else I'd be plastered with them by now ... Still, I'll take the lead with magnanimous humility.
:-D
Federal Regulations require me, at this point, to thank all the little people, so, consider yourselves noticed, and thanked. I'm sorry for any toes that were stepped, in my progression the top, it had to happen, for me to rise to my natural, and exalted, level.
But I can write a 3 word post "I support SSM." and get bad judge-its from these clowns. Top that!
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#185948 Mar 31, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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Yeah that third rate jackass is crude but formidable.
But I can write a 3 word post "I support SSM." and get bad judge-its from these clowns. Top that.
Watch this.
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#185949 Mar 31, 2013
Gays rock.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#185950 Mar 31, 2013
Randy -Rock- Hudson wrote:
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"Say, it looks awful warm, in that sleeping bag, mind if I join you?"
He was ridin' and ropin' and redecoratin'
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#185951 Mar 31, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
My condolences.
Thanks, he was a great guy. Just had a son go into the Army, shortly before my niece went in, and his son went Special Forces. He was so proud, we'd swap notes. My niece is 5' tall 100 lbs and wants to go Airborne.
:-D
Says Satellite Comm isn't enough for her, it's too tame.
What a little tiger.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#185952 Mar 31, 2013
Why did the gay cowboy take off his boots? Anyone hear it?
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#185953 Mar 31, 2013
Randy -Rock- Hudson wrote:
Gays rock.
Good. Very good. Can't wait for the results.

How about this- Rose_NoHo is SMOKIN' HOT!
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#185954 Mar 31, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
Good. Very good. Can't wait for the results.
How about this- Rose_NoHo is SMOKIN' HOT!
ROFLMAO.
:-D
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#185955 Mar 31, 2013
Too funny!
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#185956 Mar 31, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
Too funny!
I had to post those Lucky Charms, but I'm sure that you knew that ...
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#185957 Mar 31, 2013
OMG, I got a hit on my 2 word post! That wasn't me that hung those Charms on my own post, it won't let us judge our own posts...ROFLMAO. You'll need a 1 word post, to beat that! I have a suggestion for you, but I am going to wait and see if you produce it!
:D

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#185958 Mar 31, 2013
Randy -Rock- Hudson wrote:
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I honestly can't agree with the "slippery slope" label, as you're right in the rest of your post. I can't see the issue any other way, except to note it as a logical implication, not a slippery slope.
I just don't how a group could come before a court and argue a case that would support incestuous marriage. With all that is known about possible medical issues of offspring, I just don't see it happening.

Bigamists may at some point try to bring their case before a court, but how can they base their on same-gender marriage? Gays aren't asking for the right marry multiple partners.

The US addressed plural marriages with the 1862 Morrill Anti-Bigamy Act and in the Supreme Court case Murphy v. Ramsey.

There is an attorney in Utah, Jonathan Turley, who has files suit against the state; asking that plural marriages become legal. I don't know how far he's gotten.

Anybody in the U.S. has the right to pursue whatever rights they believe they are due.

I just don't think that same-gender marriage is going to lead to or open the door to incestuous or plural marriage.
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#185959 Mar 31, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
Too funny!
It took me a second. Thanks for those Charms...
:-D
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#185960 Mar 31, 2013
Did your Grandkids pass ou...., er, go to sleep yet, or did you break out the Duct Tape?

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#185961 Mar 31, 2013
Randy -Rock- Hudson wrote:
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VV, just to keep things honest between us, I am sure that you have realized that my particular choice of camps is more of an academic one, correct?
Yes... Sorry if I came off too snarky.
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#185962 Mar 31, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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I just don't how a group could come before a court and argue a case that would support incestuous marriage. With all that is known about possible medical issues of offspring, I just don't see it happening.
Bigamists may at some point try to bring their case before a court, but how can they base their on same-gender marriage? Gays aren't asking for the right marry multiple partners.
The US addressed plural marriages with the 1862 Morrill Anti-Bigamy Act and in the Supreme Court case Murphy v. Ramsey.
There is an attorney in Utah, Jonathan Turley, who has files suit against the state; asking that plural marriages become legal. I don't know how far he's gotten.
Anybody in the U.S. has the right to pursue whatever rights they believe they are due.
I just don't think that same-gender marriage is going to lead to or open the door to incestuous or plural marriage.
Well, as I see it, the whole issue of SSM is based upon claims of Constitutional rights granting "Protections", although which specific rights, under the Constitution, weren't made exactly clear in the document. Vague cross-references to the 14th Amendment notwithstanding. But the inference is that gays aren't allowed to make selections, based upon violations of these rights. They claim that they should possess the rights to choose who they wish. But, the Mormons are also granted these same vague rights, except their religious rights are being violated by the same governmental overstepping. And the Mormons have actually shown that they consider this a violation of "Religious Freedom", more specifically granted under the C.
As per incestuous marriage, SSM arguments have clearly claimed that procreation is not enough to validate or invalidate marriage. Birth control being available, and medical procedures that can render sterility. Probably a bit of a ramble, as I am no Constitutional scholar, but there aren't too many of those in here, anyway.
As to the 1862 Morrill Anti-Bigamy Act, and Murphy v. Ramsey, I would counter that we used to have Sodomy Laws on the books and that these, also, were repealed. And that the same arguments that had these laws repealed could also serve the same purpose for the P and I crowd, eventually. Views change over time, and if we are to allow for changing to suit one, why not others? Upon what basis does the government stand, to justify meddling with marriage laws, at all?
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#185963 Mar 31, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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Yes... Sorry if I came off too snarky.
NOT AT ALL. You have come across as intelligent and thoughtful, not snarky at all. I merely wished to clarify my position.
:-D
"Snarky"...never heard that one, but, meaning understood.
:-D

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#185964 Mar 31, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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Have you ever noticed that the only ones who talk about incestuous and plural marriages are those who are against same-gender marriages?
And they call us depraved...
Have you ever noticed that the only ones who won't talk about incestuous and plural marriages are those who are for same gendered marriages? It works both ways VV.
By the way, using your own ridiculous "slippery slope" argument, you can trace all of these issues back to the fact that the government got involved in marriage.
Perhaps, but gov't simply recognized a pre existing relationship, in some respects it simply took over a function performed by the Church.
If the government had never given any special rights and protections to married couples in the first place then nobody--not gays, not bigamists, not anyone--would be seeking legal marriage.
We'd all just go to the church of our choice and get married.
Sounds plausible.....however societies throughout human history have virtually always accorded marriage an elevated status within society. Marriage, that had been, throughout time and place a male female union.

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