Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 | Posted by: Topix | Full story: www.cnn.com

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

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#184523 Mar 25, 2013
Big D wrote:
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I honestly feel sorry for you that your marriage is in such jeopardy, my wife and I have had many struggles, with a lot of issues, our love for one another and our commitment to one another got us through that, regardless of the fact that a divorce would be easy.
It must be tough up on that mountain, all by your lonesome, dispensing such time honored wisdom that seems flow effortlessly from your advanced intellect. Oh well we are fortunate to be in the presence of such knowledge. But I digress....My bride and I, as well have had our share of stormy seas, and we have weathered the storms.
TAHT is a strong marriage, not forging wedding rings into handcuffs
The fact that we could easily split, but worked together to get past our issues is why we have a strong marriage. Not because we viewed our marriage as a prison as you would have it.
I do not wish marriage to be a prison, rather society, and by extension government treat it with the privilege it deserves. What is the point of making it "easier to get out of"? Divorce existed before "no fault", did it needed to be renderer end "no fault"? We're there not other steps that could have been taken to assist marriages in crisis, to,protect the spouse, and by extension, children, that needed protection. Did it really have to take a generation or two past the "free love" generation to see the damage done? The children are not all right. Divorce takes its toll on the next generation. Who speaks for them?
Less Problems

La Puente, CA

#184524 Mar 25, 2013
Miller chooses wealthy over all others

Republican crazy - Rep. Gary Miller's smoke screen about the sequester and how he and fellow Republicans are doing their best for the middle class. Unfortunately for Miller, not all of us are Fox News viewers.

Here are the facts.

Now, I understand that most Republicans run from science, but what I am going to share is the truth of the matter concerning the sequester. Those are called "facts."

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

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#184525 Mar 25, 2013
endocannabanoid system wrote:
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the democrats have been filling the void in the middle that the far right left behind...
obama care, cap and trade ect ect....many rethuglican proposals.
if a third party splinters off, it will lilely be on the far right.
that is the only laRGEr group that seems thoroughly dissatisfied with the way things are going.....
The Democrats used to be the party of the ethnic voter, the working class, blue collar workers, civil servants, Jews, Catholics, supporters of the middle class, and the military. There was a time when conservative democrat wasn't an oxymoron. Not anymore, they morphed into the demo-rats. The "C", as in conservative, concern for the working class/middle class, caring about national defense, etc, has been dropped. Now it's let's see how far to the left we can go.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#184526 Mar 25, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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It must be tough up on that mountain, all by your lonesome, dispensing such time honored wisdom that seems flow effortlessly from your advanced intellect. Oh well we are fortunate to be in the presence of such knowledge. But I digress....My bride and I, as well have had our share of stormy seas, and we have weathered the storms.
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I do not wish marriage to be a prison, rather society, and by extension government treat it with the privilege it deserves. What is the point of making it "easier to get out of"? Divorce existed before "no fault", did it needed to be renderer end "no fault"? We're there not other steps that could have been taken to assist marriages in crisis, to,protect the spouse, and by extension, children, that needed protection. Did it really have to take a generation or two past the "free love" generation to see the damage done? The children are not all right. Divorce takes its toll on the next generation. Who speaks for them?
Not lonely at all, everyone I know works for their marriage, and knows that divorce is an easy option that they do not choose.

Here you are again working to take rights away from people, to lock them into bondage, hammering wedding rings into handcuffs does not make marriages stronger, it makes it a joke.

The dark ages are over, you lost.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

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#184527 Mar 25, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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From a legal standpoint, since both acts are legal expressions of sexuality, then they are equal.
Hmmmmmmm.......not quite. There's coital sexual intercourse, which is the act referenced regarding consummation of the marital relationship by husband and wife, and can result in conception. Anal intercourse is......well....just a pain in the arse. Remember if sex is a pain in the arse, you're doing it the wrong way.

Sorry VV, couldn't resist.:)

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

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#184528 Mar 25, 2013
Big D wrote:
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Not lonely at all, everyone I know works for their marriage, and knows that divorce is an easy option that they do not choose.
The folks I know work at their marriages too, Big D.
Here you are again working to take rights away from people, to lock them into bondage, hammering wedding rings into handcuffs does not make marriages stronger, it makes it a joke.
How do you possibly get "working to take rights away" from what I wrote? Perhaps it's because you read into what I wrote your own preconceived notions. Remember government grants the right to marry and regulates it. Clearly "no fault" divorce has not been the enlightened idea it was supposed to be. But considering it originated in California, the left coast, signed into law by a divorced man, it no wonder you defended it as you do. That is what makes marriage a joke, "no fault divorce". Amazing isn't it. A person can cheat on their spouse, and be divorced by the offended spouse for "no fault" even though they were clearly at fault, but still be criminally prosecuted in some states. Go figure.
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The dark ages are over, you lost.
No Big D, the family lost, society lost, each successive generation pays the price for the "free love, no fault divorce, marriage is just a piece of paper, California generation. No, the kids are not all right. Come down from the mountain in between pontificating to the uneducated masses, once in a while, you'll see that.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#184529 Mar 25, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Hmmmmmmm.......not quite. There's coital sexual intercourse, which is the act referenced regarding consummation of the marital relationship by husband and wife, and can result in conception. Anal intercourse is......well....just a pain in the arse. Remember if sex is a pain in the arse, you're doing it the wrong way.
Sorry VV, couldn't resist.:)
Referenced where?

Is this a fedreal or state law?

I dont give a crap about any religon

Which law mandates this for a marrage to be valid?

and dont talk about divorce, you can be divorced for no reason at all.

I am asking where is the law that will automatically invalidate, against both parties wishes, a marrage that is not consumated in the way you are describing?

I am pretty sure there isnt one, the government wont step in agains the wishes of a married couple and force them to devorce because they didnt have sex correctly ( according to you )
Big D

Modesto, CA

#184530 Mar 25, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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The folks I know work at their marriages too, Big D.
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How do you possibly get "working to take rights away" from what I wrote? Perhaps it's because you read into what I wrote your own preconceived notions. Remember government grants the right to marry and regulates it. Clearly "no fault" divorce has not been the enlightened idea it was supposed to be. But considering it originated in California, the left coast, signed into law by a divorced man, it no wonder you defended it as you do. That is what makes marriage a joke, "no fault divorce". Amazing isn't it. A person can cheat on their spouse, and be divorced by the offended spouse for "no fault" even though they were clearly at fault, but still be criminally prosecuted in some states. Go figure.
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No Big D, the family lost, society lost, each successive generation pays the price for the "free love, no fault divorce, marriage is just a piece of paper, California generation. No, the kids are not all right. Come down from the mountain in between pontificating to the uneducated masses, once in a while, you'll see that.
My family won, sorry about yours

we are married happily with a strong relationship that we chose, not managed by some all-powerful big government law.

The way to strength is through actual commitment, not some mandated commitment from your big government.
endocannabanoid system

Anderson, CA

#184531 Mar 25, 2013
Big D wrote:
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My personal favorite was "Another Black family in government housing"
They cannot overcome this without letting go of the far right, but they are addicted to depending on those votes, the far right win and fundamentalist religious.
Without the ignorant vote, they donít think they have any chance.
The truth is, moderate republicans arenít that bad ( I know blasphemy but bear with me here ) they really arenít.
Moderate republicans and democrats agree on 95% or more of the issues.
But again, I donít think they can give up the ignorant vote, and as long as they let that constituency decide who is nominated, they are sunk.
It may take a long time for them to fully understand this, and until they do, the Republican party will continue down the hole.
congradualtions to Bostonian scott prouty, who let romney define himself on that issue...... with that 47% video.

it let the country know where romney stood on fairness issues....

he was having trouble defining himself, so mr. prouty did it for him.....
endocannabanoid system

Anderson, CA

#184532 Mar 25, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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The Democrats used to be the party of the ethnic voter, the working class, blue collar workers, civil servants, Jews, Catholics, supporters of the middle class, and the military. There was a time when conservative democrat wasn't an oxymoron. Not anymore, they morphed into the demo-rats. The "C", as in conservative, concern for the working class/middle class, caring about national defense, etc, has been dropped. Now it's let's see how far to the left we can go.
it still the party of all those catagories......except catholics.

it almost sounds like you tuned into an election on another planet.

the president clobbered romney on the fairness issue, and letting the bush tax cuts expire, which of course a vast majority supported..
Big D

Modesto, CA

#184533 Mar 25, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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The Democrats used to be the party of the ethnic voter, the working class, blue collar workers, civil servants, Jews, Catholics, supporters of the middle class, and the military..
Still is

the difference is we try to be inclusive, as we are better at math than republicans, they are trying to divide themselves into a majority, and they donít understand when they remove these people or those people, why they are getting smaller, every time they lose ground they talk about getting rid of RINOís

I will never forget a story from a political strategist that walked out of a republican strategy meeting, when asked why he left he said,ď Call me when you are more serious, when you understand that you need more votes, not lessĒ

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

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#184534 Mar 25, 2013
sheesh void of hate wrote:
Gender apartheid is segregation of the sexes. Complete segregation. Homosexuals make up somewhere between 2 & 10% of the population depending upon what figures you cite. Just because two gay men get married doesn't mean they'll exclude women from their lives.
Of course everyone was born from male/female union (even if it is just through AI). So that is a non-starter. That still isn't a rational argument against same sex marriage. It is just your opinion. And I really don't see what you mean by it being anti-gay. That seems like quite a stretch IMHO. Perhaps you would like to explain how it is anti-gay.
I can take flying lessons and become a pilot. I do happen to have the qualifications to perform surgery. That was through a lengthy education and licensing process. The analogy still doesn't apply to homosexuals in general. Loads of heterosexuals don't really qualify as suitable marriage partners. At least not in my opinion, which should have no bearing on their ability to get married.
Even 'just a little bit' of segregation and apartheid is bad. Same sex marriage introduces a new form of segregation to perfectly integrated and diverse male/female marriage.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#184536 Mar 25, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Even 'just a little bit' of segregation and apartheid is bad. Same sex marriage introduces a new form of segregation to perfectly integrated and diverse male/female marriage.
I agree that even a little bit is bad, that is why I am in Favor of same sex marriage, the same rules, the same law, justice for all, regardless of Race, Creed, Color, Sex, Religion, Orientation or National Origin.

I donít think you understand the meaning of the words you are using.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#184537 Mar 25, 2013
Sparklestrips4u wrote:
<quoted text>Wow you take stupid to a special catagory
My money is on "home schoolĒ

Since: Mar 07

The entire US of A

#184538 Mar 25, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Even 'just a little bit' of segregation and apartheid is bad..


Neither word applies to marriage, which is a legal joining of two adults that results in forming a family.

Why do you think that posting and re-posting such silly things will have any bearing on the topic? It doesn't get more sensible or relevent with age.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#184540 Mar 25, 2013
Quest wrote:
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Neither word applies to marriage, which is a legal joining of two adults that results in forming a family.
Why do you think that posting and re-posting such silly things will have any bearing on the topic? It doesn't get more sensible or relevent with age.
maybe it's like baying your finger with a hammer....the more you do it, the more desensitized your finger becomes & after a while, it just isn't noticed anymore?

then again, some folks are into that kinda thing. not me. but i've heard of them.
endocannabanoid system

Anderson, CA

#184541 Mar 25, 2013
Big D wrote:
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Referenced where?
Is this a fedreal or state law?
I dont give a crap about any religon
Which law mandates this for a marrage to be valid?
and dont talk about divorce, you can be divorced for no reason at all.
I am asking where is the law that will automatically invalidate, against both parties wishes, a marrage that is not consumated in the way you are describing?
I am pretty sure there isnt one, the government wont step in agains the wishes of a married couple and force them to devorce because they didnt have sex correctly ( according to you )
it is going to be a BIG blow to bigotry when the court strikes down prop hate tommrow, and then DOma

ALL of the arguemnets have been heard, and ALL of them from the right were pure non-sense...

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#184542 Mar 25, 2013
endocannabanoid system wrote:
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how could i be lying??
you just confirmed what my claim was, that gays have LOWERR divorce rates....so far.
I didnt differentiate between gay and lesbian couples...
other countries are a good place to start when looking to see how an issue might play out here in america.
universal health care is another good example....
try to calm down, were more or less on the same side of this issue??? right??
you want GAYS to be able to marry??
I want gays to be able to be married...
cheers!!
There is no such thing as gay 'marriage'.

The minute you apply the word to ss couples, it no longer has the original meaning, and is diluted to simply a friendship.

Looks like the joke is on you...

Snicker.
endocannabanoid system

Anderson, CA

#184543 Mar 25, 2013
Big D wrote:
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I agree that even a little bit is bad, that is why I am in Favor of same sex marriage, the same rules, the same law, justice for all, regardless of Race, Creed, Color, Sex, Religion, Orientation or National Origin.
I donít think you understand the meaning of the words you are using.
the central arguemnt of brown vs board of ed.....

is separate but equal.....which didnt fly...

because they wernt going to BE eqaul...

with far reich wingniuts like brain?/

im sure it is "separate and clearly not equal..."

do you know any marraige's that are descibed as 'perfect"??

me either....I think this is one of the most delusion baggers here.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#184544 Mar 25, 2013
endocannabanoid system wrote:
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I dont think she realizes how pervasive anal sex is these days....
chicks love it!!
especially the younger ones!!
A gay telling us what girls love?

Priceless funny~!

Smile.

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