Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 Full story: www.cnn.com 201,348

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Big D

Modesto, CA

#184421 Mar 24, 2013
endocannabanoid system wrote:
<quoted text>
except that the rights of the minorities cannot be decided by the majority.......
that is what this case is all ABOUT!!!
look at the bigoted steps NC has taken with that 'well screw ya with 'states rights" arguement.........
rights like marraige, should be universal through out our nation.
Actually we do that all the time, we decided that the minority of blacks could be integrated into our schools, against the wishes of the majority for example.

We are not a nation of mob rule, but a nation of law

I donít know how long you have been in this country, but you should study a little about the United States before posting
Honey Boo Boo

Los Angeles, CA

#184422 Mar 24, 2013
Randy -Rock- Hudson wrote:
<quoted text>
You get the clue. Your rationale is not valid, else it would be up to this comparison. Alcoholism or homosexuality, it doesn't matter, both are wrong. Both exist in the world. My rationale holds up to either premise. If it is wrong, it is wrong. Period.
Mama says you are one of them homo-sexuals that everyone talks about.
She says you are evil.
Are you an evil homo-sexual, Mister Randy??

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#184423 Mar 24, 2013
Randy -Rock- Hudson wrote:
<quoted text>
Normal is a subjective word. However, homosexuality is not normal. This is explained through science, because man and woman were put on this earth with complementary sex organs meant to procreate the species. This is beyond discussion. By claiming normality in their relationships homosexuals, and attempting to use the government to legally bless their unions, they hope to indoctrinate society to accept it as so. In this process they are affecting one of the freedoms most parents desire to have for their children. That is to have them educated with the understanding of homosexuality that they consider to be self evident. Granted that people have abused this basic tenet of nature in many ways, including homosexuality, this does not alter what should be seen by any rational mind as the fact that homosexuality is not normal. This is not to say that you cannot be gay, you can. But do not ask us, or expect us, to recognize it as valid, and equal to heterosexuality, because it is not. Using the government to force this view upon us is actually setting your movement back.
Many, many scientists--people who are much smarter than you or I--I have determined after years of study and thorough observation that homosexuality is a normal orientation along the continuum of sexual orientation.

Who, exactly, are YOU to refute their findings?

Do you have an advanced degree in medicine, psychology, pediatrics, sociology, biology, or any other physical/mental health sciences?

You, like Kimare, are just some guy with an OPINION.

Why is it that you will accept all other aspects of medicine (I assume you go to a doctor on occassion), but are unwilling to accept their conclusions that homosexuality is normal?

How many times have you heard about a homosexual falling ill simply because he/she is homosexual?

I'm not talking about AIDS or any other STD that impacts BOTH heterosexuals and homosexuals.

I'm talking about a person who cannot function in society due to their being attracted to a member of the same gender?

Granted, there are countries and communities where being homosexual is difficult because the community has MORAL, not scientific, objections homosexuality.

You need to get it through your head that homosexuality has been here since the beginning of mankind and will be here long after you or I are gone. To pretend that it is something that can be cured or that it will go away simply because YOU disagree with it is childish. It's a form of magical thinking.

The sooner you come to peace with this FACT, the happier you will be.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#184424 Mar 24, 2013
Randy -Rock- Hudson wrote:
<quoted text>
Neither is alcoholism a crime, but we can all agree that it is wrong.
Alcoholism, unlike homosexuality, impacts a person's ability to function in society.

Homosexuals hold jobs, have families, go on vacations, go to church, and live happy and productive lives.

By its very definition, an alcoholic is someone who experiences consequences as a result of overindulgence. These may be medical, legal, social (family problems, job loss, etc.), psychological. An alcoholic cannot function due to their use.

You can find "alcohol abuse" and "alcohol dependence" in the "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual" (DSM), which lists psychiatric disorders. You can also find it in the "International Classification of Diseases" (ICD), which lists medical conditions.

You will not find homosexuality listed in either of these internationally recognized listings of disorders and diseases.
endocannabanoid system

Anderson, CA

#184425 Mar 24, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually we do that all the time, we decided that the minority of blacks could be integrated into our schools, against the wishes of the majority for example.
We are not a nation of mob rule, but a nation of law
I donít know how long you have been in this country, but you should study a little about the United States before posting
Big D

you know well who am

brown vs board of eduction is the decision that allowed intergration.

it wasnt voted on.

what IM SAYING, is that this vote on gay marriage is unconstitutional, and will be struck down by a judge....

BECAUSE in america, we dont VOTE on the rights of the majority.

got it this time??
endocannabanoid system

Anderson, CA

#184426 Mar 24, 2013
the minority, I mean
Less Problems

La Puente, CA

#184427 Mar 24, 2013
More reasons to give them a quick trial and then hang them horse thieves.

Make them buy the rope too.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#184428 Mar 24, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
Brian. Children raised by a married mother and father have better outcomes.
We agree, marriage between mothers and fathers is good because it protects, shelters and provide for children.

.
Xavier Breath wrote:
That DOES NOT mean that all other combinations fail 100%.
But less than traditional marriage; same sex marriage harms children by creating a new norm of gender segregation marriage where our ideal of man/woman marriage doesn't.

.
Xavier Breath wrote:
There is no rational reason to deny the benefits of marriage to children same sex parents... unless you think punishing their children is a moral thing to do.
The difference between 100% and the unknown failure rate of same sex marriage is the rational reason to maintain the male/female ideal of perfectly integrated and diverse opposite sex marriage.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#184429 Mar 25, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>We agree, marriage between mothers and fathers is good because it protects, shelters and provide for children.
.
<quoted text>But less than traditional marriage; same sex marriage harms children by creating a new norm of gender segregation marriage where our ideal of man/woman marriage doesn't.
.
<quoted text>The difference between 100% and the unknown failure rate of same sex marriage is the rational reason to maintain the male/female ideal of perfectly integrated and diverse opposite sex marriage.
When the people arguing in favor of Proposition 8 had their days in court, they had the opportunity to bring experts indicating that homosexual relationships would have a negative impact on the family. Their experts COULD NOT prove this to Judge Walker's satisfaction.

When the 3 person appellate court heard their arguments, they also did not find in favor of the supporters of Proposition 8.

So, not even the best experts you guys could muster up were able to convince 4 federally appointed judges that homosexual relationships would have a negative impact on the family.

What makes you think that you could do better than them? What makes you believe you know more about the law? What makes you think you know more about same-sex relationships than them?
endocannabanoid system

Anderson, CA

#184430 Mar 25, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
When the people arguing in favor of Proposition 8 had their days in court, they had the opportunity to bring experts indicating that homosexual relationships would have a negative impact on the family. Their experts COULD NOT prove this to Judge Walker's satisfaction.
When the 3 person appellate court heard their arguments, they also did not find in favor of the supporters of Proposition 8.
So, not even the best experts you guys could muster up were able to convince 4 federally appointed judges that homosexual relationships would have a negative impact on the family.
What makes you think that you could do better than them? What makes you believe you know more about the law? What makes you think you know more about same-sex relationships than them?
amazing huh?? so many ding bats, so little time.
endocannabanoid system

Anderson, CA

#184431 Mar 25, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>We agree, marriage between mothers and fathers is good because it protects, shelters and provide for children.
.
<quoted text>But less than traditional marriage; same sex marriage harms children by creating a new norm of gender segregation marriage where our ideal of man/woman marriage doesn't.
.
<quoted text>The difference between 100% and the unknown failure rate of same sex marriage is the rational reason to maintain the male/female ideal of perfectly integrated and diverse opposite sex marriage.
'perfectly intergrated"

really??

last time i checked, the divorce rate among straights was WAY higher than that for same sex couples.

and somehow I doubt you are for
"diversity" in marraige.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#184432 Mar 25, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
<quoted text>
Brian. Children raised by a married mother and father have better outcomes. That DOES NOT mean that all other combinations fail 100%. There is no rational reason to deny the benefits of marriage to children same sex parents... unless you think punishing their children is a moral thing to do.
According to a recent study, children of a 'committed relationship' have better outcomes. Moreover, the government benefits for default family situations exceed those for married couples! SS couples have a problem with the committed part.

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#184433 Mar 25, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
<quoted text>Check with any university library. Hell, Google it, LazyBoy.
I already did regarding the law.

See my next response to VV.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#184434 Mar 25, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
Morality? Who's talking morality? I'm talking science.
Look, the world is round, the sky is blue, and homosexuals are normal. It's not up for discussion.
Why is this so hard for people to get?
More BS gay twirl lies.

The latest science says homosexuality is a epi-marker mistake.

Moreover, the most intimate imitation of natural sex, anal sex, is inherently harmful, unhealthy and demeaning. I've posted that fact from a gay friendly medical site many times if someone doesn't have the common sense to know the anus is not a vagina.

Could be just a couple reasons why it's so hard for every culture in all of human history to get...

Snicker.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#184435 Mar 25, 2013
endocannabanoid system wrote:
<quoted text>
that is not QUITE what the american pediatrics association said last week, when they came out in favor of gay marraige.
Yeah, they said anyone outside a 'family' can take the place of a dad. Tell that to your father and see how it goes...

And that was using the same studies that were discredited as unscientific and biased.

Smirk.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#184436 Mar 25, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
"The petitioners [Lawrence and Garner] are entitled to respect for their private lives. The State CANNOT DEMEAN THEIR EXISTENCE OR CONTROL THEIR DESTINY by making their private sexual conduct a crime." (Justice Anthony Kennedy, Lawrence v. Texas).
Sounds like he was saying that homosexual behavior cannot be considered a crime. And if it's not a crime and heterosexual behavior is not a crime, then they must be equally legal under the law.
The ruling made no claim of 'normal' as you claimed.

The ruling was based on private behavior and self-incrimination. If the law made the determination you claim, it would conflict with scientific fact that sodomy obviously is harmful, unhealthy and demeaning.

Nor can you claim that sodomy is 'equally' legal under the law. It can only be legal by the avoidance of exposing the inherent harm, unhealthiness and demeaning nature of sodomy. Natural sex has no such hindrance.

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#184437 Mar 25, 2013
endocannabanoid system wrote:
<quoted text>
"man and women were put on this earth with complimentary sex organs"..........is that your proof?
kinda specualting there arnt we??
Speculation? And you are a doctor?

Funny stupid scary.

That goes along with claiming that pot makes you smarter than common sense.

Smirk.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#184438 Mar 25, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
More BS gay twirl lies.
The latest science says homosexuality is a epi-marker mistake.
Moreover, the most intimate imitation of natural sex, anal sex, is inherently harmful, unhealthy and demeaning. I've posted that fact from a gay friendly medical site many times if someone doesn't have the common sense to know the anus is not a vagina.
Could be just a couple reasons why it's so hard for every culture in all of human history to get...
Snicker.
You are an unadulterated liar! The latest science DOES NOT SAY that homosexuality is an epigenetic mistake.

They have made no final decision re: epigenetics.

And NONE of them are calling it an "epigenetic mistake". That is YOUR own term that you continue to pull from the recesses of your ASS.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#184439 Mar 25, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
The ruling made no claim of 'normal' as you claimed.
The ruling was based on private behavior and self-incrimination. If the law made the determination you claim, it would conflict with scientific fact that sodomy obviously is harmful, unhealthy and demeaning.
Nor can you claim that sodomy is 'equally' legal under the law. It can only be legal by the avoidance of exposing the inherent harm, unhealthiness and demeaning nature of sodomy. Natural sex has no such hindrance.
Smile.
The courts found no evidence that sodomy is "demeaning", "unhealthy", or "harmful".

They had access to scientific facts when they made their determination.

Bottom line, heterosexual intercourse and homosexual intercourse are both legal acts in the U.S. This makes them equal in the eyes of the law.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#184440 Mar 25, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Speculation? And you are a doctor?
Funny stupid scary.
That goes along with claiming that pot makes you smarter than common sense.
Smirk.
Well if that's not the pot calling the kettle "black"... You're a disgraced "pastor", pretending you know about medicine, psychiatry, genetics, etc.

You're a joke...

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