Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 Full story: www.cnn.com 201,748

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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endocannabanoid system

Anderson, CA

#184313 Mar 24, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
The state requires posterity and married couples produce children with better outcomes than children born out of wedlock. Better still, graduate high school, find a job and marry before having children. Tough love; marriage isn't a remedial course designed to make homosexuals feel normal.
I understand your support for oppressed minorities; it makes you feel like a good person to push for rewriting marriage law to be inclusive and egalitarian. We understand that and want you to be happy, not to violate the taboos of society. How you live is your business and our law is everyone's business.
However, all people are not equal, men and women differ. When we're dead we are all equal. In that ersatz equality manner, same sex marriage is like a culture of death.
you claimed the state requires marriages to produce children.

you did it in the first sentence...

this is false....as the state requires NOTHING from a union between two adults.

wake up.
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#184314 Mar 24, 2013
endocannabanoid system wrote:
<quoted text>
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where did i claim that homosexual unions would produce anything..??
you need to read my posts through if you want to reply witout looking stoopier than you already are.
the basis of marraige was provided in my posts...
its called LOVE...
dont use derogatory terms like "fa&&ot"
it only cheapens your NON arguement.
how do you know im a "fa**ot" anyhow?
im just standing up for a group of folks that need it....
because you BIGOTS keep attacking their rights.
We are not "attacking" their rights. They are asking for the granting of rights that they do not rate. There is no "Compelling Reason" to grant them the same status as heterosexual couples. Maybe compelling to them, but not to the majority of us. We are merely responding.
endocannabanoid system

Anderson, CA

#184315 Mar 24, 2013
Randy -Rock- Hudson wrote:
<quoted text>
These statistics: "83 % of folks under thirty approve of same sex marraige.
and 58% of the population at large is now in favor of gay marriage.
up from just 23% in 1996" are not true, they are propaganda. As I have repeatedly pointed out. These "polls" that are quoted are simply carefully conducted screenings, using control groups to arrive at a predetermined result. We have not had a mass-mailing to all the households of America, so these "polls" are not real. The rights enumerated in the Constitution are simply in place to guard the citizenry against governmental transgressions, not to ensure that all of us can claim to be equal to each other. The governments job is not to pronounce Gays as minority class, but to manage the country (which, I might add, they are doing poorly). They are not here to make us be nice to each other, nor to make us accept all the changes that are occurring.
if you choose to ignore mainstream polls from the likes of "ABC news and the washington post??

mabey you could produce other information that backs up your claim that america is actually WAY more bigoted about gay marraige than ALL these recent mainstream polls suggest.

you dont have to accept anything......

but the rest of the society around you is on its way accepting gay marraige.

ps: let me guess?? you were railing against all those polls that complealt NAILED the results(state by state) of the 2012 presidential election.

you and mitt and rove were dead wrong...
endocannabanoid system

Anderson, CA

#184316 Mar 24, 2013
Randy -Rock- Hudson wrote:
<quoted text>
We are not "attacking" their rights. They are asking for the granting of rights that they do not rate. There is no "Compelling Reason" to grant them the same status as heterosexual couples. Maybe compelling to them, but not to the majority of us. We are merely responding.
there is no "RIGHT" to deny others their rights.....

that is why we dont vote on minorty rights...

why dont you look it up??

or are you like riccardo??

who wont venture out of the right wing media drome to use adult search engines to do adult like research...
endocannabanoid system

Anderson, CA

#184318 Mar 24, 2013
we the people means everybody...

not just those who are accepted into your right wing, socially conservative world... you guys have some ideas about how society should look, the rest of us just dont share those.

the nation shapes itself, as the more enlighten folks among us can see.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#184319 Mar 24, 2013
endocannabanoid system wrote:
<quoted text>
it is still good to hear you admit it was a mistake.
Yes Bush was mislead, just like Clinton was, those advisers should be in jail. But that doesn't mean oblama is off the hook on everything he does.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#184320 Mar 24, 2013
endocannabanoid system wrote:
<quoted text>
you guys just dont get it do you???
what was offensive is comparing a monogamous loving relationship with a managi troi.... sort of like when the bigoted haters compare beastiality with homosexuality........a ridiculous comparison for sure...
confusing a stable lesbian or gay monogamous relationship, with group sex is easy for you reich wingers... because your brains are so limited...
are you saying there are not people that are living in love as 3?

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#184321 Mar 24, 2013
endocannabanoid system wrote:
<quoted text>
you claimed the state requires marriages to produce children.
you did it in the first sentence...
this is false....as the state requires NOTHING from a union between two adults.
wake up.
You miss read it. Not surprised.
endocannabanoid system

Anderson, CA

#184322 Mar 24, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>are you saying there are not people that are living in love as 3?
nope....it does happen.

such is the nature of love.

Im saying that actual relationships tend to appeal to pairs..

THERE ARE some REAL three way relationships.....

I wont comment on how strong they may be??

it could be very strong...

but their numbers tell a story....

that cohabitating pairs are much more common.

and "threesomes' are genrally are about recreation.
endocannabanoid system

Anderson, CA

#184323 Mar 24, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>Yes Bush was mislead, just like Clinton was, those advisers should be in jail. But that doesn't mean oblama is off the hook on everything he does.
mislead by who??

dick cheney?

nothing on the public record has shown that Bush even THINKS it was a bad idea...... he still spproves of the idea...... so how can you say he was mislead???

...... when HE doesnt even agree with you.????

those neo-con fools were planning to go into iraq, as soon as they found out iraq had the number 2 oil reserves on the planet.

it had very little to do with daddy!! or WMD, or spreading "freedom" to the middle east.
endocannabanoid system

Anderson, CA

#184324 Mar 24, 2013
just announced wrote:
hopefully this thread will be retired after the Supreme Court rules - the end of homophobes once and for all.
hate the haters.
I just feel sorry for them, because the ENTIRE world is going the other way in SO many ways.

most of them dont realize just how much they owe to this capitalist society and all the socialist type infrastructure paid for, by progressive taxation on the rich(up to 90%)

most of them dont know what socialist, they actaully are!!

in truth?? AS SOON as anyone leaves their property, they are using socialism..
endocannabanoid system

Anderson, CA

#184325 Mar 24, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>Yes Bush was mislead, just like Clinton was, those advisers should be in jail. But that doesn't mean oblama is off the hook on everything he does.
use names...

paul wolfowitz, donald rumsfeld, dick cheney

condoleeza rice, paul bremer, jay garner,

they are all war criminals....

so are all presidents...no exceptions

Since: Apr 09

Elmont, Long Island NY

#184326 Mar 24, 2013
endocannabanoid system wrote:
<quoted text>
I just feel sorry for them, because the ENTIRE world is going the other way in SO many ways.
most of them dont realize just how much they owe to this capitalist society and all the socialist type infrastructure paid for, by progressive taxation on the rich(up to 90%)
most of them dont know what socialist, they actaully are!!
in truth?? AS SOON as anyone leaves their property, they are using socialism..
with all the tax subsidies given to corporate america, all the tax breaks, loopholes, gov't defense projects that the military doesn't want or need but is forced to accept because of local congressman

this country is a socialist state, its a coroporate socialist state

Since: Apr 09

Elmont, Long Island NY

#184327 Mar 24, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>Yes Bush was mislead, just like Clinton was, those advisers should be in jail. But that doesn't mean oblama is off the hook on everything he does.
EXCUSE ME
Bush wasn't misled, the Merican public was misled by the Bush Administration on People for a New American Century, Billie Krystal's little group, most of whom ended up in the Bush White House.
From Scooter setting up shop in the Pentagon/Defense Intel Agency to cherry picked raw data, delete caveats and disregard real intelligence analyized by experts.
To Dick Cheney personally speaking to Military Intel Analysts when he didn't like what they had to report
to the administration relying on "Curve-Ball" Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi wo the CIA said was unreliable, and Ahmed Chalabi a convicted fraud/embezzler who is now in Iran and apparently was working for the Iranians....
Wolfowitz, Perle, Rumnuts, Condoliar, Elliot Abrams, Kenneth Adelman, Richard V. Allen, John R. Bolton, Stephen Cambone, Seth Cropsey, Devon Gaffney Cross, Paula Dobriansky, Aaron Friedberg,Francis Fukuyama, Daniel Goure, Fred C. Ikle,

Zalmay Khalilzad (was appointed in December 2002 as the president's "special envoy and ambassador at large for free Iraqis." According to the White House announcement, Khalilzad would "serve as the focal point for contacts and coordination among free Iraqis for the U.S. government and for preparations for a post-Saddam Iraq." Khalilzad's qualifications include not only advocating Saddam's ouster since the 1980s, but also his proven prowess in orchestrating the installation of the Hamid Karzai regime in Afghanistan after being appointed special U.S. envoy to Afghanistan in December 2001.)

Jeane J. Kirkpatrick, John F. Lehman, etc etc etc

they all misled the American public, are responsible for an illegal war, the deaths of hunddreds of thousands, scores more wounded, ethnic cleasning, and the destruction of a nation...

THEY ARE ALL WAR CRIMINALS
endocannabanoid system

Anderson, CA

#184328 Mar 24, 2013
Karma is a_______ wrote:
<quoted text>
with all the tax subsidies given to corporate america, all the tax breaks, loopholes, gov't defense projects that the military doesn't want or need but is forced to accept because of local congressman
this country is a socialist state, its a coroporate socialist state
judging on how recalcitrant the rethuglicans in congress have been to abolishing farm and oil subsidies??? I think they believe

corporate socialism is good.

socialism for little people .... is bad.

yet we both know which type of socialism gets funneled RIGHT back to the top 1 percent.......both of them...(hahahahaha)
PayToPlay

La Puente, CA

#184329 Mar 24, 2013
Incantations are the new rage.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#184330 Mar 24, 2013
just announced wrote:
hopefully this thread will be retired after the Supreme Court rules - the end of homophobes once and for all.
hate the haters.
Yaaaaaaaaay.....no more homophobes......no more fear of homogenized milk....hopefully we can also get rid of the polyphobes too.
endocannabanoid system

Anderson, CA

#184331 Mar 24, 2013
PayToPlay wrote:
Incantations are the new rage.
this coming so soon after rage was made the new incantation?

how could it be a coincidence??
endocannabanoid system

Anderson, CA

#184332 Mar 24, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
<quoted text>
Yaaaaaaaaay.....no more homophobes......no more fear of homogenized milk....hopefully we can also get rid of the polyphobes too.
there will always be a vocal minority of "Phobes" here in america.

they are called social conservatives.

and they represent an ever shrinking slice of pure lunacy

(well you know the kind of outlandish stuff they post)

luckily they represent an older demographic and dont have much of a future.(and dont have much to say either)

the elections last fall were a good indication.!!

they lost bad, and still havnt figured out why

while the rest of Us keep telling them OVER AND over again why.

they basically have a war going on against every single group of people in this country, except the wealthy, whom they represent.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#184335 Mar 24, 2013
endocannabanoid system wrote:
<quoted text>
there is no "RIGHT" to deny others their rights.....
that is why we dont vote on minorty rights...
why dont you look it up??
No right was denied. The vote was for definitional constitutional clarification only. it seems some folks forgot marriage was a union of husband and wife. Everyone retained the same right prior to the vote.

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