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Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

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A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#184137 Mar 22, 2013
Quest wrote:
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Prove that the primary purpose of marriage is, and has always been, to restrain people's mating behaviors.
Prove that it is and always has been successful in doing that.
Then prove that gay folks marrying will cause straight people to mate with even less restraint.
1. Didn't say 'restraint'. Social scientists say it is a constraint, you prove it's not.

2. No one said it had to be successful

3. There is no such thing as gay 'marriage'. The only result of saying there is, would be the redefinition of the word. Meaning that ss couples would still not really be married in the true sense of the word.

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“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#184138 Mar 22, 2013
Some Never Came Home wrote:
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To bad you're on the losing side of history! And thank god we have a Constitution to protect us from "Bigots" like you! Marriage equality is coming and there is nothing you can do about it,so better get out of the way or be crushed by the Constitutional weight of it all come this June! And the truth of the matter is you can't give any valid reasons as to how a same sex marriage will affect yours at all or how it would harm your marriage! Valid reasons not B.S.! I'm married 35 years and I fail to see how marriage equality will affect or cause harm to my marriage in any way shape or form! Religion does NOT enter into the equation at all,SECULAR country!
This link is why Prop 8 is Unconstitutional!
www.afer.org/our-work/our-arguments/
What an ignorant joke,'the wrong side of history'!

In all of recorded history, every single culture has had marriage.

In all that time, not one SINGLE culture has embraced ss marriage from start to finish. It barely shows up, and quickly disappears. It NEVER has established itself and spread.

You can't blame a Christian, you can't blame the Republicans, you can't blame a single culture.

Do you understand how profound that is?

At this point, it's you who is on 'the wrong side of history'.

Snicker.

“Busting Kimare's”

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#184139 Mar 22, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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What an ignorant joke,'the wrong side of history'!
In all of recorded history, every single culture has had marriage.
In all that time, not one SINGLE culture has embraced ss marriage from start to finish. It barely shows up, and quickly disappears. It NEVER has established itself and spread.
You can't blame a Christian, you can't blame the Republicans, you can't blame a single culture.
Do you understand how profound that is?
SSM did exist and would have continued had it not been for Christianity. So, as you can see, we can blame Christianity.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#184140 Mar 22, 2013
Big D wrote:
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Evolutionary speaking homosexuality has been identified as naturel in 37 documented mammal species, it is a natural occurrence. I didn’t realize you were such a big fan of Evolution.
Your desire to make them not equal by law is a very anti-American stance, you should look for other nations that enforce cultural, traditional and religion.
The Taliban is like that, you should contact them, and maybe they are accepting converts
Wow!!!

I go from a scientific statement to being 'anti-American' to be a Taliban!

This in an effort to divert from disproving the basic essence of marriage; a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.

Do you really think your ad homoan attack disproved that fact?

Not to mention, the one 'scientific' point you posted was wrong on several counts. Same sex sexual behavior (SSSB, the term that science uses), not 'homosexuality' is probably evident in ALL animal species. They do not term it 'natural', because it violates the basic premise of evolution.

However, that corrected point still does nothing to dispel the basic essence of marriage.

Something that clearly, absolutely and indisputably distinguishes between marriage and ss couples.

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“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#184141 Mar 22, 2013
Big D wrote:
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Animals generally kill members of their own species, even family that try to eat their kids... so do we. I support the death penalty
But the point I am making is that homosexuality is not in any why singular to humans or opposed to "natural" as it is a part of the natural world.
No I think we have done well as our species gained the intelligence to form into groups, create cultural ties, and even ( rolls eyes ) government. Although our species has certainly not found the "perfect government" it is an effort, and a constantly striving and evolving process.
Our founders for example, a rather large number of them wanted a classed society, where only the wealthy could vote, they were shouted down and instead started a more equality based society.
We have evolved far from there, and are continuing to evolve.
always toward Freedom, Justice and Equality, that is why I am an American. It is impossible to take my patriotism away from me, but it is a principal I am a patriot to, not a flag, not a set of boundaries, not name of a country.
We have done well, not perfect, but well, other nations have as well and I applaud them. In the long run, always bet on what is right, I do, and am usually not disappointed. I am willing to make a wager now that I will not be disappointed when the Supreme Court makes its ruling.
Recognizing of same sex marriage is right, it is justice, it is equality, and fits with my patriotism to the ideal that America strives for ( and never quite achieves, as all good goals are )
We Americans
We distinguish human rights for a number of different classifications. SCOTUS has done so a number of times because marriage is the best birthplace of every member of society.

You claim a ss couple who is mutually procreative desolate deserves the same rights and protections? Do you understand how stupid and ridiculous that is?

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“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#184142 Mar 22, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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Well, how about we put it this way... There are many "Christians" who claim to be pro-life, who are pro-capital punishment and pro-war.
And there are many people who claim to be Christian, who believe in abortion in instances of rape, incest, danger to the mother's life, and/or mental/physical defect of the fetus.
So, don't lie and say that "Christians" as a concerted group would NEVER abort a fetus they believe is going to become gay. Because we BOTH know that's not the case.
If we lived in a society where all of those people who claim to be Christians REFUSED to go to war, REFUSED to own guns, REFUSED to in any way support capital punishment, and REFUSED to abort their children; then MAYBE I would agree with you.
1.2 million abortions are performed in the U.S. annually. Many of those abortions are performed on church going, Christ believing women. They justify it for many reasons. Telling them that they're going to have a gay/transgender son or daughter will simply be another reason for them to justify it.
That's reality... And it's people like you--who claim that we are defective--that we are "sinners"--that we destroy the family, etc; people like YOU who give will be giving them the motivation to abort.
You don't get to bitch about the existence of homosexuality--wanting us to disappear from the planet--and not have blood on your hands.
With all your 'moral' indignation, you somehow missed admitting you lied about what you claimed I said. Kind of makes the rest of your rant suspect.

Once again, you dig the hole deeper. Nothing you said changes the fact that killing an unborn child is murder, and a obedient Christian would never do it.

Moreover, the Bible is also clear about just war and just execution for severe crimes. Your assertion would leave people like Hitler loose. Are you serious???

Nor do I claim anything. Evolution determined homosexuality is a defect. Scientists have virtually proved it. You are having a hissy fit because I'm the messenger.

Hardly wise behavior for someone whose existence depends on people like me...

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“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#184143 Mar 22, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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Show me in law where marriage MUST BE based on a cross cultural constraint of evolutionary mating.
Show me any jurisdiction in the country that refuses to allow marriage that is not based on a cross cultural constraint of evolutionary mating.
Waiting...
1. Of course it doesn't have to be. The law determined that faithfulness to a mate was unnecessary with no-fault divorce. Now we have horrendous consequences of domestic violence and child abuse. Not to mention a devastating drop in every area of the social health of children of divorce.

Now there is a silly and stupid attempt to dumb down marriage to a friendship of any gender, totally denying the part of children. Any sensible person would say the law will be two for two if that happens.

2. That would be like the law requiring sex or children or any other such silly demands.

Here is an analogy that exposes that idiocy;

The differences between marriage with/without kids and gay couples;

An apple tree bearing fruit.
An apple tree not bearing fruit for some reason.
An walnut tree who never bears any fruit wanting to be a apple tree.
An walnut tree hanging apples on it's branches pretending to be a apple tree.

Even funnier?

The claim that if the government doesn't 'require' apple trees to bear fruit, then it is discrimination not to call walnut trees apple trees too!

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“"Into This World Were Thrown"”

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#184144 Mar 22, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Proposition 8 won at the polls; that proves same sex marriage is antidemocratic.
And with yet one more bumper sticker post from Brian,3 words come to mind! Maine,Maryland and Washington state! Now what Bri? LOL

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#184145 Mar 22, 2013
Big D wrote:
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I would add that there are thousands of Christian churches that support same sex marriage and want to preform them in their churches.... why are their religious rights being denied?
You are right, Christians are not one block that speak with one voice, that has not been the case ever, and particularly not since the ending of the dark ages.
Not to mention that they are NOT the only religon in this country.
Don't forget they are the dying liberal denominations that have long ago abandoned the historic adherence to the Christian faith and designed their own religion.
Big D

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#184146 Mar 22, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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We distinguish human rights for a number of different classifications. SCOTUS has done so a number of times because marriage is the best birthplace of every member of society.
You claim a ss couple who is mutually procreative desolate deserves the same rights and protections? Do you understand how stupid and ridiculous that is?
Smile.
Yes I think couples that don’t have the ability or desire to have children’s marriages are as important as yours and deserve the same rights.

The difference between us is that I don’t need to run other folks down to make myself feel better.

I am sure glad don’t need your approval for my marriage as your opinion is meaningless to me.
Big D

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#184147 Mar 22, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Don't forget they are the dying liberal denominations that have long ago abandoned the historic adherence to the Christian faith and designed their own religion.
LOL so you think you have the right to deny other churches their rights, hope you are ready to grant me the same right with respect to yours.

I will not abide a tyrant, you don’t get to decide anything for anyone else.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#184148 Mar 22, 2013
heartandmind wrote:
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hence the quotation marks. LOL. i call those types of "christians" self-avowed because it's a little difficult for me to buy into the line of thinking that it's ok to be derisive of my fellow mankind or to think "christians" are better than any other type of human on the earth (athiest, muslim, etc) and are to be treated deferentially by the laws of this nation.
i get disgusted by these types of self avowed christians that paint an ugly face of christ for others to see and to be pushed away from that which all christians should feel, share and understand : God's grace.
i respect your choice in being an athiest. i do not desire to force my christian outlook or expectations upon you or anyone else via legislation.
i think this swing that we're seeing in numbers of christians that are falling away and the rise in polling of people that are for same sex marriage is a direct result of the verbiage of these self avowed christians - and how they treat non-christians. why would anyone want to join their 'club' if they treat people the way they do? i think, by and large, people aren't buying into the way christ is depicted and certainly aren't buying what the self avowed christians are selling.
And yet, Christians are on the right side of science in agreeing that marriage is distinct from ss couples.

Ironic isn't it.

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“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#184149 Mar 22, 2013
Big D wrote:
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I have to use epoxy to keep them on LOL
But I would hate to lose that, I really would, I want… desperately, to think better of people than what they show.
But look at history, you started with black people, it wasn’t 200 years before that one could be burned at the state for being a Protestant, or Catholic ( depending on where you were )
it goes back and back and back
But you could be right, we may have to wait for them to die off, my relatives were from the deep south, so you can imagine what I heard as a child, but the children of those same people, are supportive of equal rights for everyone, even same sex marrage.
What annoys me is the people that we are waiting to die off, are my age, that bothers me no end. It was my generation that was supposed to get past all this garbage, we failed, however when I look at my children ( now in their 30's and 40's ) and their friends, where we have failed we at least taught those values to the next generation, even if we could not live up to them ourselves.
I have kept young by keeping young people around me, and listening ( not waiting my turn to talk ) to what they are saying, and thinking about why they are saying that. Sometimes that takes some effort on my part… my opinions are pretty ingrained.
If you look at the polls,( by young I mean 35 and younger ) they have overwhelming support for same sex marriage.
It helps, I may be an old man ( well older anyway ) but I have kept an open mind.
History records that same pattern. Greece swung toward open acceptance, and then quickly away.

Make it seem like your mind is so open your brains fell out...

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“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#184150 Mar 22, 2013
heartandmind wrote:
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what a great story of your family! that's pretty awesome indeed.
i have a couple nephews that are in their 30s that are pretty staunchly anti-homosexual rights, based entirely upon what their church has taught them. yet, they cannot deny what they see in my partner and i - 23 yrs together, faithful to one another, loyal to one another, raising 3 kids that are pretty terrific (sorry, just a little proud of them) and serving our church and community in a similar fashion as they do in their churches and towns. i think in knowing us, in being exposed to us, they're getting a better understanding of the whole issues. we even went to church with one of them a few times in support of them a few yrs back when they had lost a son in a tragic accident...and their pastor even had a light turn on in their head and heart in dealing with us. my nephew said that he learned a good bit from us though that tragedy - we supported them in ways that their siblings and church family couldn't and didn't. i think that forged at least a softer approach in his heart with regards to gay rights.
that's the only way to get through to some people - let them see how we live. a baptist preacher friend told me a few months ago that all things were possible when reasonable people sat down and talked as humans, not as adversaries. we have to learn to reach for the commonalities between us instead of what divides us.
and that's something the politcal parties and the politicians in this country fail to see, fail to act upon. and it's killing us as a nation.
In the face of this most basic essence of marriage; a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior, your discussion is simply and purely denial.

Kind of takes the fun out of it, doesn't it.

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“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#184151 Mar 22, 2013
heartandmind wrote:
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oh, i see.
wanting to the principles of feeding the poor, offering homes to the homeless, clothing those in need are all principles of "moral-less" liberals.
and the "high-morals" of the republicans include not spending any money on those less fortunate or the healing the sick or even creating a second class citizen of the tax paying homosexuals.
gotcha, nutcase.
Bull shit. Liberals demand other people's money and disperse it for votes.

Christians are on the front lines of meeting needs in every community across the country.

Reality's a bitch isn't it.

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#184152 Mar 22, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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You don't have the 'nads to admit you made a mistake.
That's one thing that is pathetic about you.
Another is you go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on about how little you think I matter.
And you searched through tens of thousands of posts to find a specific post I made.
Methinks the lady doth protest too much!
Poor Rose, so desperately wants someone to take her seriously.
Big D

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#184153 Mar 22, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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History records that same pattern. Greece swung toward open acceptance, and then quickly away.
Make it seem like your mind is so open your brains fell out...
Snicker.
Yes. Historically Christians were murdered for entertainment.

Just because something was true in history, does not make it a good thing.

I loved your last line, I always picture your "Jesus" at the rock saying the things you people say. Yep.. wonderful followers, he would be so proud.

He would say… throw that stone! Wouldn’t he?

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#184154 Mar 22, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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Can you make a post that doesn't mention me?
Not when explaining ignorance. You are pert of the Websters definition.

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#184155 Mar 22, 2013
Big D wrote:
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California would be one of them if the vote were held again today
So you assume the 3rd time would be the charm?
Press blue

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#184156 Mar 22, 2013
Press blue and get the results needed to shut the stinking mouths of RNC, GOP, Republican and Tea Party members.

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