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Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

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A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#183618 Mar 17, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Thanks for the assist.
You are more than welcome!

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#183619 Mar 17, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Same question.
If you don't know the cause how can you assert the result?
The epi-marker defect is all but proved. What does that say about the APA?
Snicker.
Marram wrote:
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Dummy ďall but provedĒ means it hasnít been proved. The real question is what does that say about you?
You mean like the theory of evolution?

Snicker smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#183620 Mar 17, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Same question.
If you don't know the cause how can you assert the result?
The epi-marker defect is all but proved. What does that say about the APA?
Snicker.
veryvermilion wrote:
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Do you know what's funny? If you google the words "epi-marker defect" or "epi-marker mistake" (with quotations) the only results you'll get are your comments on topix.
There aren't any scientists who use those terms. You made them up.
And what do you think will happen "if" someone finds out how to determine if an embryo has the potential to be gay--to have a "birth defect", as you like to say?
Obviously there's not going to be a "cure"--at least not for several generations.
Will you suddenly become an advocate for abortion? Will you want to kill the gay embryos? Will you demand that they be hacked to pieces and sucked out of their mother's wombs?
Bottom line, you're an idiot... You wouldn't know an "epi-marker" if it jumped up and slapped you in the face.
Get a life. Stop pretending to be a scientist.
First, we both acknowledge how stupid your assertions were that;

1. There is no pursuit of understanding homosexuality by real professionals.

2. The undiagnosed condition of homosexuality can be arbitrarily defined as 'normal'.

Second, it is interesting that you decry my terminology, but fail to post what scientists DO say about epi-marker defects. Let me help you;

http://now.msn.com/
epigenetics-study-may-explain- how-homosexuality-is-passed-on -through-epi-marks

"A new study shows that homosexuality may be the result of epigenetics, which regulates how genes are expressed using epi-marks. These sex-specific triggers perform helpful tasks, such as regulating masculinization or feminization of fetuses during development. Normally, epi-marks vanish and aren't inherited by the next generation, but in some cases, a stubborn epi-marker from a parent may stick around and get passed on to an opposite-sex child, instilling Mom's fashion sense in Raul or Dad's baritone in Suzi. Lead researcher William Rice hopes to prove his theory in the next six months."

Normally, the use of the word 'normally' precludes a distinction between normal and abnormal. A defect or mistake. Would you prefer I use the word abnormal?

Third, you make the very mistake you falsely accuse me of, trying to be a scientist. I simply and accurately quote what they say. You on the other hand, foolishly attempt to predict when a cure will occur (an admission of defect by the way).

Fourth, I have already noted before, a cure will likely come. The vast majority of people do not want their children born with defects. Moreover, they would like grandchildren, so the one thing you are right about is the use of abortion or some other means to prevent it. However, I also have noted that abortion is not a choice for Christians. In essence, we are the gays ONLY hope for existence!

Which begs the question, why are you being so mean to us?

Finally, VV, do you understand how stupid all your gay twirling will look when homosexuality is understood and even cured? Think about it. The historical response to homosexuality by every culture vindicated. All the people, faiths and institutions gays maligned exonerated. Do you think there may be even a violent reaction by people who were deliberately deceived? Pretty sobering...

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#183622 Mar 17, 2013
KiMare wrote:
KiMare wrote:
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Same question.
If you don't know the cause how can you assert the result?
The epi-marker defect is all but proved. What does that say about the APA?
Snicker.
<quoted text>
You mean like the theory of evolution?
Snicker smile.
You trying to prove that being gay is genetic, and that this is a good reason to deny gay folks equality under the law?

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#183623 Mar 17, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Same sex sexual behavior is not new. Use of the term "homosexual" to describe it, or those who engage in such behavior, is relatively new.
But people who can only be attracted to the same gender are NOT new - only our knowledge of what that means and the terms used to describe it, are.

You would still need a valid state interest in denying equal protection under the law gay couples when it comes to marriage, though, regardless of how our knowledge has grown, or the changes in the terms we use.

Can you provide that?

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#183624 Mar 17, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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.....
Ooooooooooo...."Other than hatred".....soooooo scary.....oh the humanity...you've been spiking the rainbow kool aid again. In your world, if anyone opposes legal ssm, the secular sacred cow, it's automatically done out of "hatred".......
We only consider things to be hate based if they harm others, with no rational basis for that harm.

So, if your basic argument boils down to the idea that you don't want gay Americans to be allowed the same basic civil rights that you demand, and you shudder at the idea that their families might have the same security and protections that you want for your family, simply because you don't understand or like them, then yes, that comes off as hate.

It's certainly not love, or even indifference.

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#183625 Mar 17, 2013
KiMare wrote:
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Same question.
If you don't know the cause how can you assert the result?
The epi-marker defect is all but proved. What does that say about the APA?
Snicker.
<quoted text>
You mean like the theory of evolution?
Snicker smile.
If it's been proven, why are the only mentions of it ANYWHERE on the Web, in your posts?

Isn't that odd?
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#183627 Mar 17, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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XBox. Do you think (_________ is going to go away? You can either adapt to reality, or you can go extinct. What else could be put in that blank? Falling marriage rates? Rising cohabitation rates? Plural marriage?
So you see, there's more to it than that.
The only thing I see is a lame dodge at answering the question.
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#183628 Mar 17, 2013
KiMare wrote:
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Same question.
If you don't know the cause how can you assert the result?
The epi-marker defect is all but proved. What does that say about the APA?
Snicker.
<quoted text>
First, we both acknowledge how stupid your assertions were that;
1. There is no pursuit of understanding homosexuality by real professionals.
2. The undiagnosed condition of homosexuality can be arbitrarily defined as 'normal'.
Second, it is interesting that you decry my terminology, but fail to post what scientists DO say about epi-marker defects. Let me help you;
http://now.msn.com/
epigenetics-study-may-explain- how-homosexuality-is-passed-on -through-epi-marks
"A new study shows that homosexuality may be the result of epigenetics, which regulates how genes are expressed using epi-marks. These sex-specific triggers perform helpful tasks, such as regulating masculinization or feminization of fetuses during development. Normally, epi-marks vanish and aren't inherited by the next generation, but in some cases, a stubborn epi-marker from a parent may stick around and get passed on to an opposite-sex child, instilling Mom's fashion sense in Raul or Dad's baritone in Suzi. Lead researcher William Rice hopes to prove his theory in the next six months."
Normally, the use of the word 'normally' precludes a distinction between normal and abnormal. A defect or mistake. Would you prefer I use the word abnormal?
Third, you make the very mistake you falsely accuse me of, trying to be a scientist. I simply and accurately quote what they say. You on the other hand, foolishly attempt to predict when a cure will occur (an admission of defect by the way).
Fourth, I have already noted before, a cure will likely come. The vast majority of people do not want their children born with defects. Moreover, they would like grandchildren, so the one thing you are right about is the use of abortion or some other means to prevent it. However, I also have noted that abortion is not a choice for Christians. In essence, we are the gays ONLY hope for existence!
Which begs the question, why are you being so mean to us?
Finally, VV, do you understand how stupid all your gay twirling will look when homosexuality is understood and even cured? Think about it. The historical response to homosexuality by every culture vindicated. All the people, faiths and institutions gays maligned exonerated. Do you think there may be even a violent reaction by people who were deliberately deceived? Pretty sobering...
You are the gays only hope for existence?????

hahahahaha
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ahahahahahahah
ahahhahahahaha
ahahahahahahah
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#183629 Mar 17, 2013
Robsan5 wrote:
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How bout you fagg@t, want a d!ck up your a.ss?
Robert
Try rentboy dot com.

“Vita e' Bella.”

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#183630 Mar 17, 2013
Quest wrote:
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But people who can only be attracted to the same gender are NOT new - only our knowledge of what that means and the terms used to describe it, are.
Are they? Is is it a matter of different concepts of sexuality today, than, say, for example in Ancient Rome and Greece, where terms such as "heterosexual", and "homosexual" did not exist? It seems that there is a significant sexual political identity element with same sex attraction today. Repeated use of "LGBT" (Why isn't that in alphabetical order?), various gay organizations, rainbow bumper stickers, flags, shirts, etc.

Despite the acceptance of same sex sexual behavior and/or orientation within various cultures in different times and place, it did not necessarily result in SSM, or other formally accepted relationships.
You would still need a valid state interest in denying equal protection under the law gay couples when it comes to marriage, though, regardless of how our knowledge has grown, or the changes in the terms we use.
Can you provide that?
As long as the gay couple is of the opposite sex, there is a valid state interest in that relationship, as there would be in other adult opposite sex relationships in regard to marriage. Remove one sex, replace it with a duplicate of the remaining sex, and the state interest is also removed.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#183632 Mar 17, 2013
Robsan5 wrote:
<quoted text>
How bout you fagg@t, want a d!ck up your a.ss?
Robert
You are a very angry man, get some help! Let's hope a person like you never touches a gun.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#183633 Mar 17, 2013
Robsan5 wrote:
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Hey fagg@t, how bout a big d!ck up your a.ss?
Robert
Anything else on your mind?
Divorce

Sunnyvale, CA

#183635 Mar 17, 2013
Let Gay Divorce begin.

Finally you got to pay your share!!!

I've been discriminated against as a hetero. Get divorced and pay. Now older gay dudes with cash will give all away. Lose there house. Lose everything

You had it so good. Welcome to the club.

Get ready to lose everything in your gay divorce.

Welcome to equality.
Robsan5

United States

#183636 Mar 17, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>Anything else on your mind?
Yeah, wanta deep throat a big d!ck? You closet case.

Robert

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#183637 Mar 17, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Same question.
If you don't know the cause how can you assert the result?
The epi-marker defect is all but proved. What does that say about the APA?
Snicker.
<quoted text>
You mean like the theory of evolution?
Snicker smile.
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>
You trying to prove that being gay is genetic, and that this is a good reason to deny gay folks equality under the law?
So you are going to try again by another slimy shift?

Okay,

First, I'm not trying to prove anything. I don't have to, science already is.

Epigenetics has all but verified that epi-marker abnormalities cause homosexuality.

Second, I'm not denying equal relationships anything either. You are trying to impose an imposter relationship on marriage.

At it's most basic essence, marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.

Not only do gay relationships fail and contradict that primary purpose, epi-marker defects validate that contradiction. A silly attempt to equate a natural diverse gender relationship with a duplicate defective relationship.

That's just a fact in the quest for truth.

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#183638 Mar 17, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
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You are the gays only hope for existence?????
hahahahaha
ahahahahhahaha
ahahahahahahah
ahahhahahahaha
ahahahahahahah
Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#183639 Mar 17, 2013
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>
If it's been proven, why are the only mentions of it ANYWHERE on the Web, in your posts?
Isn't that odd?
You might want to check again;
Look up 'epigenetics/epi-marker/homose xuality'
Snicker.
guarantee paid

Covina, CA

#183640 Mar 17, 2013
Just flush yourselves down rthe nearests toilet.

“Vita e' Bella.”

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#183641 Mar 17, 2013
http://healthland.time.com/2012/12/13/new-ins...

For an evolutionary biologist, homosexuality is something of a puzzle. Itís a common trait, found in up to 10% of the population. It appears to be run in families, suggesting that it is hereditary, at least in part. And yet it defies the very reason why traits are passed on from generation to generation. How could something that hinders childbearing be passed down so frequently from parents to children?

Researchers at the National Institute for Mathematical and Biological Synthesis (NIMBioS) think they may have an answer. Itís not in written in our DNA sequence itself, they suggest, which explains why scientists have failed so far to find ďgay genes,Ē despite intensive investigations. Instead, itís written in how our genes are expressed: that is, in certain modifications to how and when DNA is activated. These changes can have environmental roots, so are not normally permanent enough to be passed from parent to child. But occasionally, they are.

ďItís not genetics. Itís not DNA. Itís not pieces of DNA. Itís epigenetics,Ē says Sergey Gavrilets, a NIMBioS researcher and an author on the paper that outlines the new theory of homosexuality, published in The Quarterly Review of Biology.†ďThe hypothesis we put forward is based on epigenetic marks,Ē he says.

To be specific, the new theory suggests that homosexuality is caused by epigenetic marks, or ďepi-marks,Ē related to sensitivity to hormones in the womb. These are compounds that sit on DNA and regulate how active, or inactive certain genes are, and also control when during development these genes are most prolific. Gavrilets and his colleagues believe that gene expression may regulate how a fetus responds to testosterone, the all-important male sex hormone. They further argue that epi-marks may help to buffer a female fetus from high levels of testosterone by suppressing receptors that respond to testosterone, for example,(thus ensuring normal fetal development even in the presence of a lot of testosterone) or to buffer a male fetus from low levels of testosterone by upregulating receptors that bind to the hormone (ensuring normal fetal development even in the absence of high levels of testosterone). Normally, these epi-marks are erased after they are activated, but if those marks are passed down to the next generation, the same epi-marks that protected a man in utero may cause oversensitivity to testosterone among his daughters, and the epi-marks that protected a woman in utero may lead to undersensitivity to testosterone among her sons.

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