Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 Full story: www.cnn.com 201,187

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#181804 Feb 28, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
<quoted text>
Get on topic PROP 8
If the federal government recognizes polygamy it will be much easier to repeal the state laws against it. In CA, one of these state laws is PROPOSITION EIGHT.

When PROPOSITION EIGHT is gone, the CA laws against polygamy will be easier to deal with. If PROPOSITION EIGHT is still in force polygamy and same sex marriage will not be allowed in CA.

And there's your topic PROPOSITION 8.

Don't you agree Miss "OFF TOPIC!!!!" straw Man?
Big D

Modesto, CA

#181805 Feb 28, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
Your arguments of the day seem to be the laws against polygamy are lightly enforced and prison is rare, not enough people want it, and it will take a long time before it is legalized if at all.
They're all bogus, reactionary and dumb.
Then do it :)

If it is easy and all the ducks are in a row we can expect results by when? Tomorrow? Next week? Next month?

“Reality bites”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#181807 Feb 28, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
If the federal government recognizes polygamy it will be much easier to repeal the state laws against it. In CA, one of these state laws is PROPOSITION EIGHT.
When PROPOSITION EIGHT is gone, the CA laws against polygamy will be easier to deal with. If PROPOSITION EIGHT is still in force polygamy and same sex marriage will not be allowed in CA.
And there's your topic PROPOSITION 8.
Don't you agree Miss "OFF TOPIC!!!!" straw Man?
"If the federal government recognizes polygamy it will be much easier to repeal the state laws against it. In CA, one of these state laws is PROPOSITION EIGHT."

HUH? Prop 8 has nothing to do with polygamy you moron. 2 1/2 years latter and you still are clueless as to the very topic of this thread.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#181808 Feb 28, 2013
Jazybird58 wrote:
<quoted text>Don't like it??? Find the big red x in the upper right hand corner, and Use it.
Judge-its are silly and almost always rigged. I never use them.

If they had one for "creepy" I'd use that! Only on you though. And only once per post.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#181809 Feb 28, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
Big D! I made a huge batch of my world famous chili for the gay rights rally at my next door neighbors house a few months ago and about 40 gays and lesbians loved it! They didn't ridicule my thoughts on marriage equality at all. They raved about the chili.
You should be so nice.
This bears further investigation

why were they nice to you, did you act like you do here?

Whenever they tried to talk about anything at all did you immediately switch the subject to poly and get upset with them if they tried to discuss anything else?

Did you end every response to anything they said by calling them a jackass or a dope?

Did you belittle every ideal they had, and attack any of them that were in support of same sex marriage?

I wonder what the difference was in your behavior, that they treated you nicely
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#181810 Feb 28, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
Then do it :)
If it is easy and all the ducks are in a row we can expect results by when? Tomorrow? Next week? Next month?
Again with the "so go out and do it" (I addressed those 50 posts earlier) again with the "it will take a long time" (I addressed those 60 posts earlier). Again with the ridicule.

SO WHAT?

Why do keep repeating those same dumb arguments?
Big D

Modesto, CA

#181811 Feb 28, 2013
Jazybird58 wrote:
<quoted text>Don't like it??? Find the big red x in the upper right hand corner, and Use it.
It strikes me, that you and I donít always agree, I am probably more supportive of Poly than you are. I found your list of legal issues hilarious, and my first thought was.... Think of the very happy lawyers and all the billable hours they will enjoy sorting all that stuff out. But heck if people want to complicate their lives that muchÖ go have fun, just donít ask me to pay for it.

The difference is, you and I can disagree, without belittling the other. I strongly support the freedom of people to marry who they choose, regardless of race, creed, color, sex, religion, orientation, or national origin.

I am certain you share that vision of freedom as well.

Even if we disagree on other things

Frankie cannot disagree with anyone without his tantrum, that is the difference.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#181812 Feb 28, 2013
Jazybird58 wrote:
<quoted text>
"If the federal government recognizes polygamy it will be much easier to repeal the state laws against it. In CA, one of these state laws is PROPOSITION EIGHT."
HUH? Prop 8 has nothing to do with polygamy you moron. 2 1/2 years latter and you still are clueless as to the very topic of this thread.


Prop 8 says marriage in CA is "one man one woman" You do the math (if you're capable). Does it effect polygamy? Think real hard creep.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#181813 Feb 28, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
Again with the "so go out and do it" (I addressed those 50 posts earlier) again with the "it will take a long time" (I addressed those 60 posts earlier). Again with the ridicule.
SO WHAT?
Why do keep repeating those same dumb arguments?
No argument, I am saying if you are right, there is no image problem, that all is good to go with Poly, that SSM has opened the door wide open.

It should be a cinch!

Tomorrow? Next week? when can we expect it, cause according to you there just arenít any problems at all making it happen.

You got it made!
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#181814 Feb 28, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
This bears further investigation
why were they nice to you, did you act like you do here?
Whenever they tried to talk about anything at all did you immediately switch the subject to poly and get upset with them if they tried to discuss anything else?
Did you end every response to anything they said by calling them a jackass or a dope?
Did you belittle every ideal they had, and attack any of them that were in support of same sex marriage?
I wonder what the difference was in your behavior, that they treated you nicely
This bears further investigation
why were they nice to you, did you act like you do here?

- Because they are my friends and neighbors. We have Sunday dinners with each other often. We live in a very social private community of VERY diverse and friendly people. We have a community kitchen available with full restaurant quality equipment capable of preparing meals for 200 people. that's where I whipped up the chili.
And yes, I act like I do here but not as rude, the rudeness is because you deserve it. They don't.

Whenever they tried to talk about anything at all did you immediately switch the subject to poly and get upset with them if they tried to discuss anything else?

-We speak of true marriage equality often. One couple are gay married men. They express much interest, they are not afraid of it and generally support it.

Did you end every response to anything they said by calling them a jackass or a dope?-No because they are not jackasses or dopes.
Did you belittle every ideal they had, and attack any of them that were in support of same sex marriage?

-I don't attack anyone for supporting SSM, I support it myself. I attack them for hypocrisy, common here, uncommon with my friends.

I wonder what the difference was in your behavior, that they treated you nicely.

- They like me and respect me, you don't.

Hope that helped.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#181815 Feb 28, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
No argument, I am saying if you are right, there is no image problem, that all is good to go with Poly, that SSM has opened the door wide open.
It should be a cinch!
Tomorrow? Next week? when can we expect it, cause according to you there just arenít any problems at all making it happen.
You got it made!
When did I say there were no problems and it would be a cinch, Liar Big D?
Big D

Modesto, CA

#181816 Feb 28, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
This bears further investigation
why were they nice to you, did you act like you do here?
- Because they are my friends and neighbors. We have Sunday dinners with each other often. We live in a very social private community of VERY diverse and friendly people. We have a community kitchen available with full restaurant quality equipment capable of preparing meals for 200 people. that's where I whipped up the chili.
And yes, I act like I do here but not as rude, the rudeness is because you deserve it. They don't.
Whenever they tried to talk about anything at all did you immediately switch the subject to poly and get upset with them if they tried to discuss anything else?
-We speak of true marriage equality often. One couple are gay married men. They express much interest, they are not afraid of it and generally support it.
Did you end every response to anything they said by calling them a jackass or a dope?-No because they are not jackasses or dopes.
Did you belittle every ideal they had, and attack any of them that were in support of same sex marriage?
-I don't attack anyone for supporting SSM, I support it myself. I attack them for hypocrisy, common here, uncommon with my friends.
I wonder what the difference was in your behavior, that they treated you nicely.
- They like me and respect me, you don't.
Hope that helped.
Of course I donít, no one does

because you Do attack every single person that supports SSM

You end every response with "jackass" or "dope" or something else

you freak out if anyone says anything about something other than what you are so obsessed with

I am willing to make a wager, that when you had this party, you didnít do that.

I am not the one complaining here, you were when you posted about this party, I expect your childish behavior because that is all you have ever shown me.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#181817 Feb 28, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
When did I say there were no problems and it would be a cinch, Liar Big D?
I say there is an image problem, you say there is not

I say it may take a decade or so, you call me a bigot

I say I would vote for it, and you scream at the top of your lungs about my non-support as if you didnít read what I wrote

I have not heard you mention a single obstacle, you act as if there arenít any.

are you ready to acknowledge that some work needs to be done before this could possibly happen?

p.s. did you call everyone at that party a Liar?

“Reality bites”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#181818 Feb 28, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
It strikes me, that you and I donít always agree, I am probably more supportive of Poly than you are. I found your list of legal issues hilarious, and my first thought was.... Think of the very happy lawyers and all the billable hours they will enjoy sorting all that stuff out. But heck if people want to complicate their lives that muchÖ go have fun, just donít ask me to pay for it.
The difference is, you and I can disagree, without belittling the other. I strongly support the freedom of people to marry who they choose, regardless of race, creed, color, sex, religion, orientation, or national origin.
I am certain you share that vision of freedom as well.
Even if we disagree on other things
Frankie cannot disagree with anyone without his tantrum, that is the difference.
As I have said before, who or how many a person wants to marry makes no difference. For the most part someones marriage has little if any affect on my marriage. That being said, poly marriage will have an affect on our legal system, good or bad it will have an affect. That can not be said of same sex marriage. The reality is this, the topic of this thread is not polygamy or incest marriage. I gave Frank his own thread for that purpose.

“Reality bites”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#181819 Feb 28, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
Prop 8 says marriage in CA is "one man one woman" You do the math (if you're capable). Does it effect polygamy? Think real hard creep.
No this thread pertains to a federal judge who overturned a ban on same sex marriage. Did he have the right to do so. Did the portions of the Constitution that he sighted pertain to his ruling. At one time Same sex marriage was legal in California, did the voters of California have the right to remove and deny marriage based on sexuality?? Did the action of the voters violate the U.S. Constitution? At what time was Polgamy legal in the State of California?
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#181820 Feb 28, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
I say there is an image problem, you say there is not
- No I don't, I say the image problem is the result of ignorance and bigotry.

I say it may take a decade or so, you call me a bigot
-No I don't I say why does it matter how long it takes.

I say I would vote for it, and you scream at the top of your lungs about my non-support as if you didnít read what I wrote.
-I don't scream, calm down. You say you would vote for it but no one else will because it is well known that polygamists are criminals using polygamy to commit their crimes.

I have not heard you mention a single obstacle, you act as if there arenít any.
-That's not true.

are you ready to acknowledge that some work needs to be done before this could possibly happen?-Never said it would be easy jackass.

p.s. Did you call everyone at that party a Liar?
-No, because they didn't lie. I only met a few of them. My gay neighbors asked if I would make chili they would supply the premium beer (gays don't fly coach!- calm down, they told me that one among others)I'm not a man to turn down free beer!
Hope that helps.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#181821 Feb 28, 2013
Jazybird58 wrote:
<quoted text>As I have said before, who or how many a person wants to marry makes no difference. For the most part someones marriage has little if any affect on my marriage. That being said, poly marriage will have an affect on our legal system, good or bad it will have an affect. That can not be said of same sex marriage. The reality is this, the topic of this thread is not polygamy or incest marriage. I gave Frank his own thread for that purpose.


PROPOSITION EIGHT effects polygamy as much as it does same sex marriage.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#181822 Feb 28, 2013
Jazybird58 wrote:
<quoted text>As I have said before, who or how many a person wants to marry makes no difference. For the most part someones marriage has little if any affect on my marriage. That being said, poly marriage will have an affect on our legal system, good or bad it will have an affect. That can not be said of same sex marriage. The reality is this, the topic of this thread is not polygamy or incest marriage. I gave Frank his own thread for that purpose.
I just saw something I had not considered.

I know that some companies support same sex marriage, in fact I know some companies will not build an office in places where same sex benefits are not fully recognized.

But now the language is changing, over 60 major companies now are filing a brief with the supreme court saying it is a "business imperative" that same sex marriage be recognized, that they are having difficulty hiring, and moving people the best people to different states where different rules apply.

I knew most major business were on board, but I had not considered that aspect.

up to today I have been expecting the narrow ruling, affecting California alone. I may have to alter that, as more and more pile on, I suspect DOMA is going to be struck down and the ruleing may make changes across all 50 states.

If so, this will be historic.
Yammers

Covina, CA

#181823 Feb 28, 2013
I've heard enough haven't you?\\
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#181824 Feb 28, 2013
Jazybird58 wrote:
<quoted text> No this thread pertains to a federal judge who overturned a ban on same sex marriage. Did he have the right to do so. Did the portions of the Constitution that he sighted pertain to his ruling. At one time Same sex marriage was legal in California, did the voters of California have the right to remove and deny marriage based on sexuality?? Did the action of the voters violate the U.S. Constitution? At what time was Polgamy legal in the State of California?
It is also a ban on polygamy dummy. Don't hog all the victimhood.

What don't you understand about ONE man ONE woman?

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