Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

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A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#181095 Feb 24, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
I am much more impressed by what he says than by what a hypocrite like you says.
I bet you're easily impressed by shiny things, too.
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#181096 Feb 24, 2013
RuPauls Witnesses wrote:
When we show controversial heterosexuals, I want to be able to Photoshop their teeth yellow and enlarge their noses and ears, and redden their eyes, without it being libel. I want to invent a new swear word (or convert a currently acceptable word) that sounds harsh, and I want people across the country to sneer it so that anyone it could possibly describe feels a stabbing in their chest. "Well, the breeding media today is trying to get your children to have sex with animals, just because their parts interconnect and it's 'fun'. Earlier, a well-known breeder was quoted as saying 'I loved my dog when I was a child, I think every family should have a pet'. Now, aside from the breeders trying to impose their personal definition of a family on honest, hard-working, tax-paying Americans, now they're trying to turn us into animal rapists and zoophiliacs. It's bad enough that they're trying to normalize the act of having children - which as you all know is a dangerous, expensive, and long process involving surgery and health complications on otherwise healthy Americans. And thanks to immigrants, "
And I want half the country to cheer for me when I do it.
If you think pride parades are more in-your-face and preachy than missionaries, churches, or Faux News, well, I don't know what to tell you. Except that the number of Christians assaulted or bullied into suicide by homosexuals specifically because of their faith is far different than the inverse. The number of times we've been allowed to vote on their civil liberties, or legally (and without repercussion) expel them from their homes or jobs due to their faith is approximately zero.
But that's the thing about civil injustices. When they shift, it's not a pendulum. This won't arc around and place homosexuals as a ruling caste of media and politics. We'll never have our day in the sun. We won't be allowed to shackle them and beat them through the streets while their friends and neighbors spit on them.
We'll just eventually enjoy similar rights, and try not to resent them for the hell they've put us through. We'll try our hardest not to hold every one like them personally responsible for whatever plight we've survived. We'll be the bigger man, and be honorable, and decent. And it will have cost us our troubled youth who couldn't make it to the other side. Our homes, our jobs, our parents and their love.
Every fucking day is straight pride. Every day is Christian pride. And in the meantime, every night in Uganda is hell. Every day in the high school locker room is a powder keg. Every second is a silent prayer that our parents don't find out, that our friends will still love us, that our employers don't exercise their ability to ruin our careers and our landlords don't throw us out in the streets in twenty-nine states.
While the government still believes our blood is poison, and our souls are damned, while our currency reminds us that we trust in one who wishes us hellfire, while our brothers are executed because one book has made it around the world and tried to turn every eager man, woman, and child against us, I will never quit.
They tell us to get over it, but they won't stop putting it in our way. They tell us that we're just as bad as they are. Just as preachy or full of ourselves. Every time we speak out against their cruelty, it's shaming them. Every time we dodge their stones, we're oppressing them. Every time we remind them of our humanity, we're asking for special treatment.
Fuck them, and fuck you for falling for their shit.
Amen!
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#181097 Feb 24, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
<quoted text>Denial of what facts? That some dude name Justin belongs to an organization called Polyamorous NYC? I guess you think he's the second coming of Jesus Christ, eh? Who cares what Justin thinks? He's entitled to his opinion. If Justin is such a genius, why isn't polygamy legal in New York?
Where did Mr. Hudson say that he was a genius? Where did he say he was the second coming of Christ?"
AfganPigs

Covina, CA

#181098 Feb 24, 2013
Looks like the crooked Afgan scum running the country is about to committ scucide.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#181099 Feb 24, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
<quoted text>
I bet you're easily impressed by shiny things, too.
Ad hominem stupidity.
AfganPigs

Covina, CA

#181100 Feb 24, 2013
Did I mention these so called elected officials in Afgan, are nothing but cheap back alley scum sucking drug dealing muslim crooks.

Afghanistan's President Hamid Karzai has ordered that all U.S. special forces must leave Wardak province.

I give Karzai a few days before one of beloved Muslim Brothers puts a bullet between is beadie eyes They also are the best liars in the land.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#181102 Feb 24, 2013
sheesh void of brains wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for the yawn fest, K-Mart. Just in case you hadn't noticed I have, on numerous occasions, tried to engage Brian_G in discussion to expand upon his bumpet sticker slogans. No response of any substance has been made, just more bumper stickers. On top of this we get your two cents worth, which has depreciated to minimal fractional value. He was speaking of differences, religious differences are magnificant. Not small and unimportant. Only an idiot like Brian, and apparently you, would think this to be true. Religion may appear to be a choice, but if you start digging you'll find for many that it really isn't, they've got no choice in the matter as they're drawn to it without thought or reason, just handed down to them generation after generation, hence the strong feelings that lead to such differences. That isn't to say some won't jump ship, making a "choice." One of my brothers married a Pentecostal woman. Now he's Pentecostal and speaks in tongues. I suppose he really didn't have a choice though, just got picked up and carried on into it. If you had one ounce of character you'd slink quietly into the ether never to be heard from again. I do not think this will come to pass.
You once again mistake your breath being knocked out for a yawn...

I have yet to see any response of significance from you. This one being no different.

Instead you simply dumb down on a idiotic assertion with more ad homoan troll gay twirling.

Seriously, religion is not a choice? Silly stupid.

And still, not even an attempt to address the other points...

Go back to your video games son, you are clearly out of your league.

Bazinga!
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#181103 Feb 24, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
<quoted text>Denial of what facts? That some dude name Justin belongs to an organization called Polyamorous NYC? I guess you think he's the second coming of Jesus Christ, eh? Who cares what Justin thinks? He's entitled to his opinion. If Justin is such a genius, why isn't polygamy legal in New York?
He is a homosexual activist who is not a hypocrite like you are.

He says homosexuals who don't give poly respect are hypocrites and cowards.
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#181104 Feb 24, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
<quoted text>Denial of what facts? That some dude name Justin belongs to an organization called Polyamorous NYC? I guess you think he's the second coming of Jesus Christ, eh? Who cares what Justin thinks? He's entitled to his opinion. If Justin is such a genius, why isn't polygamy legal in New York?
If all you can do is guess, and that incorrectly, then perhaps you should not post, at all.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#181105 Feb 24, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
<quoted text>Amen!
Nice!
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#181106 Feb 24, 2013
RuPauls Witnesses wrote:
... We won't be allowed to shackle them and beat them through the streets while their friends and neighbors spit on them.
Oh Pah-leeze. Spare us.

Sounds like quite a fantasy you have there pumpkin.

Hate is hate. Yours hate no better than any other hate. Even though you think it righteous. That's how it works.

Since: Jan 10

Lewis Center, OH

#181107 Feb 24, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
Some homosexual activists also see the link between same-sex marriage and polygamy. Justin Michael, founder of the group "Polyamorous NYC," says that efforts by homosexual activists to deny the link with polyamory is false and cowardly.
"I'd encourage people to keep an open mind," he asserted, "it wasn't too long ago that gay relationships were completely ostracized. All movements have a tendency to build on the movements that have come before them."
He added: "It's hypocritical for us as gays and lesbians to pretend we're the only people who are treated differently because our relationships are not mainstream. Both communities are concerned with love, and forming lasting relationships, and with our own liberation."
You can keep pushing your hater agenda but the fact is Gay Americans don’t have to care about or support any social injustice (whether real or perceived) in order to deserve marriage rights regardless of any hypocrisy you so proudly point out. You’re superior attitude only exemplifies how non-gays marginalize anyone they perceive to be inferior. Truth is we are organized, smart, funded and powerful and will have Gay Marriage Equality in all fifty states. You and your ilk can continue to prattle on and on about how Gay Americans have to be considered “good enough” to deserve equal rights to no avail. We’ll remain focused on and win the war for Gay Marriage Equality. Besides Gay Americans have been called much worse than selfish and hypocrites, so, if you think your lame insults will change anything you’re sorely mistaken.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#181108 Feb 24, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
You once again mistake your breath being knocked out for a yawn...
I have yet to see any response of significance from you. This one being no different.
Instead you simply dumb down on a idiotic assertion with more ad homoan troll gay twirling.
Seriously, religion is not a choice? Silly stupid.
And still, not even an attempt to address the other points...
Go back to your video games son, you are clearly out of your league.
Bazinga!
The only method you have for "knocking" someone's breath away is by leaning in too close and breathing on them. Not a risk on the internet.

You are the epitome of dumb down and have no room to speak.

Regarding my assertion that religion is not a choice, your retort shows just how limited is your ability to understand plain english. You didn't notice the inclusion of "for many" in that comment and you don't recognise the reality of religion being something very few people actively choose so much as inherit. Most of the Catholics I know were born into Catholic families. Same for Baptists, Methodists, Amish, etc. Occasionally someone rejects their religion, but more often than not they simply pick up the leash and walk the dogma. There are those that jump ship, so to speak, and assume another faith, but often that is done in just the fashion I described for my brother. The one that married into a Pentecostal family. His choice was asking her to marry him, the religion came with the territory in what was arguably a mandatory component. This is a bit of a concept that requires you to actually think instead of vomit out some cute little quip about "ad homoan" attacks. Your inability to think is quite over exposed, so I expected no less. I eagerly await the next bit of muttering stupidity void of any substance to belch forth from your keyboard.

Other points? What other points? You mean his oft repeated bumper sticker slogans? He has yet to actually make a point. So there is really no need to address anything. Mocking is about all you or Brian are worthy of receiving.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#181109 Feb 24, 2013
Marram wrote:
<quoted text>
You can keep pushing your hater agenda but the fact is Gay Americans don’t have to care about or support any social injustice (whether real or perceived) in order to deserve marriage rights regardless of any hypocrisy you so proudly point out. You’re superior attitude only exemplifies how non-gays marginalize anyone they perceive to be inferior. Truth is we are organized, smart, funded and powerful and will have Gay Marriage Equality in all fifty states. You and your ilk can continue to prattle on and on about how Gay Americans have to be considered “good enough” to deserve equal rights to no avail. We’ll remain focused on and win the war for Gay Marriage Equality. Besides Gay Americans have been called much worse than selfish and hypocrites, so, if you think your lame insults will change anything you’re sorely mistaken.
What the hell are you talking about jackass?

I fully support marriage equality. Do you?

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#181110 Feb 24, 2013
sheesh void of hate wrote:
<quoted text>
The only method you have for "knocking" someone's breath away is by leaning in too close and breathing on them. Not a risk on the internet.
You are the epitome of dumb down and have no room to speak.
Regarding my assertion that religion is not a choice, your retort shows just how limited is your ability to understand plain english. You didn't notice the inclusion of "for many" in that comment and you don't recognise the reality of religion being something very few people actively choose so much as inherit. Most of the Catholics I know were born into Catholic families. Same for Baptists, Methodists, Amish, etc. Occasionally someone rejects their religion, but more often than not they simply pick up the leash and walk the dogma. There are those that jump ship, so to speak, and assume another faith, but often that is done in just the fashion I described for my brother. The one that married into a Pentecostal family. His choice was asking her to marry him, the religion came with the territory in what was arguably a mandatory component. This is a bit of a concept that requires you to actually think instead of vomit out some cute little quip about "ad homoan" attacks. Your inability to think is quite over exposed, so I expected no less. I eagerly await the next bit of muttering stupidity void of any substance to belch forth from your keyboard.
Other points? What other points? You mean his oft repeated bumper sticker slogans? He has yet to actually make a point. So there is really no need to address anything. Mocking is about all you or Brian are worthy of receiving.
You dumb down twice on the same stupid assertion???

A belief system is not something anyone is born into. At an early age, they choose to accept or deny their parental or cultural norm. And at any point they can change it.

Then you plead ignorance of other points???

Too funny.

How old are you???

Smirk.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#181111 Feb 24, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
Why? You didn't. LOL!
My marriage isn't important to the issue of keeping marriage as is, one man and one woman. I'll thank you not to false claims about my marriage.

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Rose_NoHo wrote:
You said that gay marriage will lead to forced marriages in prison.
Prison rape is a problem now, what makes you think prison extortion marriage is impossible?

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Rose_NoHo wrote:
When do you think those will start in states that recognize gay marriage? LOL!
Most states will never change the definition of marriage from male/female. Same sex marriage is taboo.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#181113 Feb 24, 2013
sheesh void of hate wrote:
My sweet Lord! You have got to be THE MOST ignorant stack of excrement to ever be dropped by a male Bos taurus.
I don't see how that relates to what I wrote, that:

"Religious and racial differences are small and unimportant while gender differences are great and mean the continuation of the human race."

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sheesh void of hate wrote:
Those tiny religious differences - I'll start with the obvious... Muslim v Christian. Gotta wider gap, dumdum? If that doesn't pop your corn we'll talk about more conventional western religions.
Those small differences have been argued for centuries, Islam shares the belief marriage is male/female. There are small differences but all major religions agree on the big stuff.

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sheesh void of hate wrote:
Ever get between a Catholic and a Pentecostal?
Both faiths have a tradition of male/female marriage.

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sheesh void of hate wrote:
I grew up in the south during the 60s and 70s. I can tell you that if you think there isn't a troublesome difference for the races (not that I bought into it past the age of 7 or 8) you're about as dumb as a person can be.
I grew up in the North during the 60s and 70's, race had little import. Don't be fooled by prejudice and hate, we are all human beings beneath our skin.

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sheesh void of hate wrote:
Women and men? The differences? They're, for the most part, in their pants.
^^^The differences between men and women are in their sex organs and your largest sex organ is between your ears. Some women don't wear pants and it's frowned upon, for men to wear skirts to work. Sex differences are physical and more than physical; society has customs that reflect instinct and biology.

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sheesh void of hate wrote:
Sure, men tend to be physically stronger on average, but I've met plenty of women that could probably make you look silly with a round of arm or leg wrestling (anyone still doing that?).
Who's talking strong and weak? I'm talking about bearing children or fertilizing ovum; women have more reproductive value than men. Perhaps that's why men can invest so many resources toward physical strength and women don't need to.

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sheesh void of hate wrote:
Courage? That doesn't have genitals.
I've never claimed courage is gender specific, both men and women have courage. If you've never had a baby, you might not fully understand what courage is.

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sheesh void of hate wrote:
Leadership? Nope, that belongs to individuals, not genders.
Women's political leadership has been discussed in writing for more than four thousand years, there's no such record for same sex marriage. What's up with that?

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sheesh void of hate wrote:
Your mojo is weak and stupid, Brian. You make a lot of statements but you have yet to provide one tiny shred of proof to back your claims.
Sheesh doesn't like my mojo, calls it "weak and stupid"; wow. That's some ad hominem argument, again.

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sheesh void of hate wrote:
I keep calling you on this and you keep avoiding valid reply. You know why you avoid? Two reasons. There is not a valid reply because I'm correct and you're wrong. And you're stupid. Dumb. A mental midget. Intellectually speaking, I'd have to get kicked in the head by an angry mule, repeatedly, for us to be on a level playing field.
^^^Here's the real answer, they get unreasonable when challenged to think through the issue and prefer to think of themselves as intelligent, intellectual, enlightened and witty. That way, they can consider their opponents, "wrong[,] stupid[,] Dumb[,] mental midget[ and anti-intellectual[]".

In fact, sheesh has little to offer other than more than defamation, ad hom. and insults. I oppose same sex marriage because I like reason.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#181114 Feb 24, 2013
Marram wrote:
<quoted text>
You can keep pushing your hater agenda ...bla bla bla hateful ranting...bla bla bla...
I'd say you are the hater. Advocating marriage rights for yourself, but not for groups you hate. Or simply don't approve of.

Perhaps your anger at me stems from within yourself.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#181115 Feb 24, 2013
KiMare wrote:
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Religious and racial differences are small and unimportant while gender differences are great and mean the continuation of the human race. If Quest wants to stand for gender segregated marriage, that's her problem.
Same sex marriage means more wasteful government spending on entitlements for a new class of same sex dependent beneficiaries and the higher taxes to pay for that and litigation.
<quoted text>
50% ad homoan attack, 50% self aggrandizing defense of an idiotic assertion while totally ignoring the key distinction equals 100% BS.
First the part you ignored; Religion and race do not procreate. Men and women do. That fact ALONE sets gender in a league alone. Duh.
Second, religion is a choice. Race and gender are not. Religion is a choice, race and gender are not. Another huge distinction.
Race is a merely a difference in skin color. You assert that overrides gender differences by lying, minimizing and ignoring distinctions that affect virtually every aspect of males and females.
Do you know why you make these idiotic characterless troll attacks?
Because you are in denial, and full of hate and bigotry. Oh, you are smart enough to know you have no logical, valid reply, but you hope your troll attack will intimidate. Silly stupid.
One more thing. You weren't kicked repeatedly in the head by a mule, a near senile old man just kicked the bully on the playground repeatedly in the head. Do you know what that means? If an old senile man can school you, there is absolutely no chance you will EVER match the reasoning of Brian G. If you have one ounce of character, you will beg his forgiveness!
Bazinga!
Good point, sheesh completely avoids the issue that male/female differences have often outweighed racial and religious differences to the point many societies have found inter-religious and interracial marriage commonplace. And I don't think you are too harsh on sheesh, he deserves condemnation for bullying. Some arguments are unacceptable.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#181116 Feb 24, 2013
sheesh void of hate wrote:
Thanks for the yawn fest, K-Mart.
^^^Just more insults.

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sheesh void of hate wrote:
Just in case you hadn't noticed I have, on numerous occasions, tried to engage Brian_G in discussion to expand upon his bumpet sticker slogans. No response of any substance has been made, just more bumper stickers.
Sheesh doesn't like my replies, doesn't think they are engaging. Labels my arguments, "bumper stickers". There's no accounting for taste.

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sheesh void of hate wrote:
On top of this we get your two cents worth, which has depreciated to minimal fractional value.
^^^More insults.

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sheesh void of hate wrote:
He was speaking of differences, religious differences are magnificant. Not small and unimportant.
^^^I think he means magnificent, impressive to the mind or spirit. All religious holy texts define marriage as male/female, holy texts are in 100% agreement that marriage is man and woman.

Some religious differences are striking as the fashion goes, but deep down we are joined by faith and belief.

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sheesh void of hate wrote:
Only an idiot like Brian, and apparently you, would think this to be true.
^^^More insults, this time "idiot", based on disagreement.

If you disagree, that's OK; I find many of sheesh's posts disagreeable.

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sheesh void of hate wrote:
Religion may appear to be a choice, but if you start digging you'll find for many that it really isn't, they've got no choice in the matter as they're drawn to it without thought or reason, just handed down to them generation after generation, hence the strong feelings that lead to such differences.
Many people choose their own religion, convert or become atheists, there are ancient depictions of these commonplace events. No man has gestated a child and no women has fertilized an egg; those differences are great and important, not random scripture.

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sheesh void of hate wrote:
That isn't to say some won't jump ship, making a "choice." One of my brothers married a Pentecostal woman.
^^^Point conceded, gender differences are important, his brother didn't convert for a Pentecostal man.

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sheesh void of hate wrote:
Now he's Pentecostal and speaks in tongues. I suppose he really didn't have a choice though, just got picked up and carried on into it.
^^^Stereotypical, anti-religious insults. I don't like making fun of other religions but you have the right to prove who you are.

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sheesh void of hate wrote:
If you had one ounce of character you'd slink quietly into the ether never to be heard from again. I do not think this will come to pass.
^^^Bullying insults; when people tell you what to do it comes from a fascist streak.

Don't ignore it, call them on insulting; telling people to get off these threads is bullying.

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