Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 | Posted by: Topix | Full story: www.cnn.com

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Pietro Armando wrote:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki /Polygamy_in_North_America#sec tion_9
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Is it really redefining it?
Polygamy in the United States has a long history....
Are you two trolls flooding the forum with posts about polygamy because you realize there isn't a good argument against gay marriage?
(One of you is clearly flying false colors, pretending to be for gay marriage.0

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ABSTRACTThis article examines the validity of a challenge to anti-polygamy statutes through the Due Process Clause, beginning with a discussion of the social and legal history of polygamy in the United States. Polygamy, the practice of having more than one spouse at the same time, has always been illegal in the United States. Those who have challenged the constitutionality of anti-polygamy statutes have generally done so through the First Amendment, claiming that anti-polygamy statutes impinge upon the free exercise of religion. In the United States, polygamy is almost exclusively associated with the Mormon Church. Thus, in order to fully understand the legal and social history of polygamy, it is necessary to begin with the history of the Mormon Church. The definitions of "marriage" and "family" are changing. The United States is no longer a society where nuclear families dominate. More states are beginning to recognize same-sex marriages and the percentage of divorced families and single-parent households continues to soar. While marriage was once a primarily public institution, it is becoming increasingly more private as courts recognize the need for families to personally define themselves without state interference.
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But the current definition violates the 14th Amendment.
That all depends on the intepreter. Some courts, judges, states say it does, other courts, judges, and states say it doesn't.

Here's Frankie's link.....see above.
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Frankie RIzzo wrote:
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The only obsession here is yours, Fruitcake. Your obsession with me.
Do you have a better argument against marriage equality then the Big D "You're obsessed!" Straw man? I admit it's better than your old "You're a liar!" straw man, but it's still a just a straw man designed to cover your hypocrisy.
Why are you a hypocrite against equal rights? Don't say because all poly people are criminals and child abusers, we heard that. It's ignorant and stupid.
What possible harm would a marriage of three adult committed women possibly cause your bigoted ass?
Too stupid to read what I wrote I see

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Rose_NoHo wrote:
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Are you two trolls flooding the forum with posts about polygamy because you realize there isn't a good argument against gay marriage?
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Rosie....Rosie.....Rosie....pe rsonally there's no good argument for gay marriage. Frankie may feel different. But ya can't argue for "marriage equality" for those forms of marriage you like, and ignore those you don't. Plural marriage people are knocking on the rainbow clubhouse door. They want some of that "marriage equality" you keep harping about. Don't be mad cuz they want to crash the party. Kody Brown and his wives support you, can't you support them?
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Rose_NoHo wrote:
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Are you two trolls flooding the forum with posts about polygamy because you realize there isn't a good argument against gay marriage?
(One of you is clearly flying false colors, pretending to be for gay marriage.0
I'm the fake fundie I presume?

Who cares what you believe, you are stupid.

Why would I lie dummy? Think real hard and come up with your dopey reason, I would love to hear it.
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Pietro Armando wrote:
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Rosie....Rosie.....Rosie....pe rsonally there's no good argument for gay marriage. Frankie may feel different. But ya can't argue for "marriage equality" for those forms of marriage you like, and ignore those you don't. Plural marriage people are knocking on the rainbow clubhouse door. They want some of that "marriage equality" you keep harping about. Don't be mad cuz they want to crash the party. Kody Brown and his wives support you, can't you support them?
I cannot see how you can support one without supporting the other. And none of these clowns ever even attempt to explain it, they just straw man it or filibuster it. Dismiss is as a fish!(red herring)

You are consistent. You don't support either. I am consistent I support both. All these other jackasses support only same sex and are ignorant and bigoted about poly. They are hypocrites, plain and simple.
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Big D wrote:
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Too stupid to read what I wrote I see
Great argument fruitcake.
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I love it. Anyone who doesn't agree with Rose_NoHo is a troll!
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Rose_NoHo wrote:
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Are you two trolls flooding the forum with posts about polygamy because you realize there isn't a good argument against gay marriage?
(One of you is clearly flying false colors, pretending to be for gay marriage.0
I find it difficult to see the logic of defending monogamous marriage as the historic norm when the laws of many states have already departed from the principle that it is heterosexual, monogamous marriage that is essential to social stability.

If heterosexuality is no longer legally, morally or socially relevant to marriage, why should monogamy continue to be so important?
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Frankie RIzzo wrote:
I find it difficult to see the logic of defending monogamous marriage as the historic norm when the laws of many states have already departed from the principle that it is heterosexual, monogamous marriage that is essential to social stability.

If heterosexuality is no longer legally, morally or socially relevant to marriage, why should monogamy continue to be so important?
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Big D wrote:
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Too stupid to read what I wrote I see
I find it difficult to see the logic of defending monogamous marriage as the historic norm when the laws of many states have already departed from the principle that it is heterosexual, monogamous marriage that is essential to social stability.

If heterosexuality is no longer legally, morally or socially relevant to marriage, why should monogamy continue to be so important?
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Frankie RIzzo wrote:
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Great argument fruitcake.
Mormon boy, I was offering a suggestion that would make poly marriage as legitimate as any other kind of marriage.

and you still scream and stamp your feet because you think you know what someone is saying while you are actually totally clueless.
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Pietro Armando wrote:
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Rosie....Rosie.....Rosie....pe rsonally there's no good argument for gay marriage. Frankie may feel different. But ya can't argue for "marriage equality" for those forms of marriage you like, and ignore those you don't. Plural marriage people are knocking on the rainbow clubhouse door. They want some of that "marriage equality" you keep harping about. Don't be mad cuz they want to crash the party. Kody Brown and his wives support you, can't you support them?
If these jackasses represented the gay marriage movement I would be against it! I have to keep reminding myself that they don't.

My main reason for not being against gay marriage is I see no harm in it. And I have gay friends I want to see happy.

If we allow gay marriage I don't see why we can still not allow poly marriage. So there's my position in a nutshell. I see no harm in either.

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Big D wrote:
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Mormon boy, I was offering a suggestion that would make poly marriage as legitimate as any other kind of marriage.
and you still scream and stamp your feet because you think you know what someone is saying while you are actually totally clueless.
"Mormon boy"? Are there Italian Mormons?
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Mormon boy...
You're a bigot. Against equal rights due to extreme ignorance.
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Pietro Armando wrote:
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"Mormon boy"? Are there Italian Mormons?
I have no idea

still that idea would work

every religion could define "marriage" for their own little private cult

and the government would only recognize the contract of a civil union, which is all the government needs, the legal contract.

One church could call marriage between only a man and a woman
Another church could do same sex marriages
and even Mormon boy could have his poly marriage and call it that

and all would be recognized equally by the law governing civil unions

and they could point fingers at each other all day long calling the other heathens and it would mean absolutely nothing.

The nice part about doing it that way is that even non-relationship unions could be done. 2 older women for example not in a sexual relationship, but close friends with no family could join in such a civil contract for mutual support.
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The key to this would be the government no longer recognizing the word... marriage, as any kind of legal term, the government only recognizing civil contracts.

That would solve the mess for everyone.

( granted there would be screaming from the hilltops as currently married couples would be under the same contract. But it would not harm my marriage, I donít care what the government calls it, and I could care less what any religion calls it, we define our marriage in personal terms, and the law by the legal term )
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Pietro Armando wrote:
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"Mormon boy"? Are there Italian Mormons?
He's just mad. So mad it makes him silly-stupid.

It brings out his inner bigot nicely though.
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Frankie RIzzo wrote:
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He's just mad. So mad it makes him silly-stupid.
It brings out his inner bigot nicely though.
No you are just too stupid to comprehend what I am saying.

Perhaps your friend can
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Big D wrote:
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I have no idea
still that idea would work
every religion could define "marriage" for their own little private cult
and the government would only recognize the contract of a civil union, which is all the government needs, the legal contract.
One church could call marriage between only a man and a woman
Another church could do same sex marriages
and even Mormon boy could have his poly marriage and call it that
and all would be recognized equally by the law governing civil unions
and they could point fingers at each other all day long calling the other heathens and it would mean absolutely nothing.
The nice part about doing it that way is that even non-relationship unions could be done. 2 older women for example not in a sexual relationship, but close friends with no family could join in such a civil contract for mutual support.
Same sex couples want nothing short of real marriage just like hetero couples. And I agree with them, they should have it.

So your dopey plan won't work. Hetero couples don't have to settle for civil unions and homosexual couples should not have to either. Nor should polyamorists.

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