Judge overturns California's ban on s...

Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

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A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Joe fortuna

Portland, OR

#233215 Jan 19, 2015
Big D wrote:
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That really depends, if you are running a private little cult like a church, you can decide not to let people with blue eyes join if you want to.
But if you are running a business, a licenced business, that is a totally different story
Why would you think that, unlike private cults, I pay taxes, pay for my Licenced. The public should be allowed to tell me how to run my business. I can't sue anyone for paying for the same service I provide from someone else. They have the right to go else where if they choose, but I don't have the same right to tell them to go else where. Seems one sided to me.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#233217 Jan 19, 2015
Joe fortuna wrote:
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Why would you think that, unlike private cults, I pay taxes, pay for my Licenced. The public should be allowed to tell me how to run my business. I can't sue anyone for paying for the same service I provide from someone else. They have the right to go else where if they choose, but I don't have the same right to tell them to go else where. Seems one sided to me.
It is a matter of law, you want a licence for a business, there are regulation and rules.

It isn't one sided, it is the same for every business

Now if you are claiming that religions are allowed to be bigots and morons, I wont argue with you there.

Since: Aug 14

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#233218 Jan 19, 2015
Joe fortuna wrote:
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What about the freedom to refuse service to anyone you choose, isn't that freedom, what you are saying is as long as it doesn't oppress the freedom you believe in it's OK. I do not believe, just because your black gay KKK you have the right to services I supple if I choose not to supple it to you. Not that I wouldn't supple them with services, it's still taking my right to do it if I choose to.
I agree. But when discrimination to a protected class happens, which is always hate based, we the people the government have the right to refuse service to you in the form of s license to do business. The KKK and gay behavior are not protected classes, and both groups join in your discrimination. Blacks are not included and I supposed if they are protected from your bigotry for 400 years it will pale in comparison to the torture this country inflicted upon them and profited from.

Since: Aug 14

Location hidden

#233219 Jan 19, 2015
Big D wrote:
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It is a matter of law, you want a licence for a business, there are regulation and rules.
It isn't one sided, it is the same for every business
Now if you are claiming that religions are allowed to be bigots and morons, I wont argue with you there.
No, he is saying that gays and the KKK are allowed to be bigots and morons. And only blacks of the 3 he mentioned are a federally protected class. He did not mention religion, but your atheism religion and evolution religion are protected.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#233220 Jan 19, 2015
Justice_League wrote:
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No, he is saying that gays and the KKK are allowed to be bigots and morons. And only blacks of the 3 he mentioned are a federally protected class. He did not mention religion, but your atheism religion and evolution religion are protected.
You equate all Gay people as if they all have the same opinion and the same position... you ARE a bigot by definition.

Was it your religion that teaches you this hatred, this bigotry?

Better keep it away from my children and grandchildren or you will be missing some parts.

Atheism is not a religion, you cannot lower it to that level
Evolution is a fact
There are theories of evolution, but those are about how the fact of evolution progressed

Religion, is religious, regardless if you believe in Zues, The Volcano God, or whatever religion you decide to chose ( they are all about the same anyway ) Not theories, not even hypothesis, they aren't at that level, just simple beliefs, as changeable as your socks
Joe fortuna

Portland, OR

#233221 Jan 19, 2015
Big D wrote:
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It is a matter of law, you want a licence for a business, there are regulation and rules.
It isn't one sided, it is the same for every business
Now if you are claiming that religions are allowed to be bigots and morons, I wont argue with you there.
I know the law, I just don't think that I should have to supply my service to someone I do want to. People shouldnt be able to sue me for it. If someone refused to serve me I'd go down to the next place that provide the service and give them my business. I'd think they were stupid, but being stupid isn't a reason to be sued.

Since: Nov 12

Ashburn, VA

#233222 Jan 19, 2015
Joe fortuna wrote:
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Personally I think you should have to be a registered voter in the area that is going to be influenced by the proposition or any person running for public office to give money.
I wish something like that would work
Big D

Modesto, CA

#233223 Jan 19, 2015
Joe fortuna wrote:
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I know the law, I just don't think that I should have to supply my service to someone I do want to. People shouldnt be able to sue me for it. If someone refused to serve me I'd go down to the next place that provide the service and give them my business. I'd think they were stupid, but being stupid isn't a reason to be sued.
Refusing to serve someone based on class, is a reason to be sued.

And history clearly shows why
Big D

Modesto, CA

#233224 Jan 19, 2015
RiccardoFire wrote:
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I wish something like that would work
LOL well said

I do too, but it would not
Joe fortuna

Portland, OR

#233225 Jan 19, 2015
Justice_League wrote:
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I agree. But when discrimination to a protected class happens, which is always hate based, we the people the government have the right to refuse service to you in the form of s license to do business. The KKK and gay behavior are not protected classes, and both groups join in your discrimination. Blacks are not included and I supposed if they are protected from your bigotry for 400 years it will pale in comparison to the torture this country inflicted upon them and profited from.
So it's alright to discriminate against someone who hates?
Well a while back a gay couple came into a bakery here in Portland to have their wedding cake made they refused to make it, and they were sued and lost their business. Seems to me that's is discrimination against the baker.
My bigotry, what about yours against people who hate, that doesn't matter because you don't like people who hate, so it's OK to discriminate as long as it fits your belief. Sounds a bit one sided to me.
Slavery isn't legal in this country, take a look at Africa today they are still in slaving their own, so don't come crying about poor black people they were treated so badly.
I've never treated anyone any different than they treat me, black white gay red yellow makes no different to me.
Joe fortuna

Portland, OR

#233226 Jan 19, 2015
Big D wrote:
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Refusing to serve someone based on class, is a reason to be sued.
And history clearly shows why
You don't think the people who are being sued are a class?
Big D

Modesto, CA

#233227 Jan 19, 2015
Joe fortuna wrote:
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So it's alright to discriminate against someone who hates?
Well a while back a gay couple came into a bakery here in Portland to have their wedding cake made they refused to make it, and they were sued and lost their business. Seems to me that's is discrimination against the baker.
My bigotry, what about yours against people who hate, that doesn't matter because you don't like people who hate, so it's OK to discriminate as long as it fits your belief. Sounds a bit one sided to me.
Slavery isn't legal in this country, take a look at Africa today they are still in slaving their own, so don't come crying about poor black people they were treated so badly.
I've never treated anyone any different than they treat me, black white gay red yellow makes no different to me.
I know you desperately want a legal way you can be an ignorant bigot in your business.

You long for the Jim Crow days, they are gone, you lost the civil war, get over it

I cant help you, I wont vote with you
Big D

Modesto, CA

#233228 Jan 19, 2015
Joe fortuna wrote:
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You don't think the people who are being sued are a class?
I dont think you understand the meaning of the words you are using
Joe fortuna

Portland, OR

#233229 Jan 19, 2015
Big D wrote:
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I know you desperately want a legal way you can be an ignorant bigot in your business.
You long for the Jim Crow days, they are gone, you lost the civil war, get over it
I cant help you, I wont vote with you
You don't understand much of what you read do you?
You are acting like a bible believer, pick out what fits your own needs.
I have said I treat people the way they treat me,
The only thing I don't like is people being sued for refusing service to those they choose not to. If that makes me a ignorant bigot to you so be it.
Joe fortuna

Portland, OR

#233230 Jan 19, 2015
Big D wrote:
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I dont think you understand the meaning of the words you are using
So far you are batting a thousand at what you know and what you think, being wrong. I'm sure you will continue with your record.
You do know that the business owner are part of the working class, and denying them their right to choose who they want to supply their service to is discrimination. Course you justify it by saying they're bigots, and don't deserve those rights.
I supply anyone that wants my services as long as they are respectful to me and my employes. Which you will probably pick not to see, and continue with your rants.
Joe fortuna

Portland, OR

#233231 Jan 19, 2015
Big D wrote:
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LOL well said
I do too, but it would not
It would work if we had more people in office that actually had the people interest in mind instead of their own
Joe fortuna

Portland, OR

#233232 Jan 19, 2015
Justice_League wrote:
And the whole homosexuality is a behavior and sin was settled for 10,000 years. People in the US do not have the right to engage in prostitution which is outside of marriage so what makes you think marriage should be changed to include same sex and polygamy?
Heterosexuality is a behavior, we marry..
A sin? You have to be joking using that. So is having a affair, getting divoriced, and getting remarried, and a ton of other things if you believe in the bible. Did you have sex before marriage? Because that's a sin to. Course those sins or off your radar because then don't fit your need to justify your stance on SSM.
Who or what settled that homosexuality was a sin ten thousand years ago, according to your bible at best the world is eight thousand or less old. The bible is only a few thousand years old. Can you explain all those homosexual art works in the early record history if it was look down on. People had those kind of paintings on public walls and their homes, cut in marble, didn't think so.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#233233 Jan 20, 2015
Joe fortuna wrote:
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It would work if we had more people in office that actually had the people interest in mind instead of their own
Outside interests would just place people in the state registered to vote and have them donate, it would be impossible to enforce.

I don't disagree with the principle you are trying to achieve, it is just too expensive to try and manage.

Personally I think every proposition should have a full and simple disclosure of where the money for the proposition came from.

Like that "Save the Horses" prop

Or the anti gaming casino in California paid by Nevada casinos

etc etc

You aren't wrong in what you are saying at all, I just don't think it is workable that way

As Roy Rodgers once said, we have the best politicians that money can buy
Joe fortuna

Portland, OR

#233234 Jan 20, 2015
Big D wrote:
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Outside interests would just place people in the state registered to vote and have them donate, it would be impossible to enforce.
I don't disagree with the principle you are trying to achieve, it is just too expensive to try and manage.
Personally I think every proposition should have a full and simple disclosure of where the money for the proposition came from.
Like that "Save the Horses" prop
Or the anti gaming casino in California paid by Nevada casinos
etc etc
You aren't wrong in what you are saying at all, I just don't think it is workable that way
As Roy Rodgers once said, we have the best politicians that money can buyi
I don't know how much it would cost to manage it, but I do know what it's costing us not to.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#233235 Jan 20, 2015
Joe fortuna wrote:
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I don't know how much it would cost to manage it, but I do know what it's costing us not to.
There is no question that it is an issue, we agree there. It has bugged me for years

Prop 8 was all about outside interests, they saw a swiftly closing door and jumped it.

If the same prop was put on the ballot today it would go down in flames

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