Should The City of Hemet Outsource their police department?

Created by Tom B on Aug 4, 2011

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local resident

Hemet, CA

#21 Aug 11, 2011
Tom B wrote:
But going back to my point sheriffs will be much cheaper than HPD!!!!!!
Even with the minimum amount of staffing, YOU ARE WRONG.....
kat

Menifee, CA

#22 Aug 14, 2011
Sheriff;s suck. they don't know the area and spend most of their time at 7-11 or Denny's stuffing their faces...KEEP our police and fire the city council members.
jerry

Chapel Hill, NC

#23 Aug 15, 2011
kat wrote:
Sheriff;s suck. they don't know the area and spend most of their time at 7-11 or Denny's stuffing their faces...KEEP our police and fire the city council members.
Point well made.
Strongest arguement yet in favor of HPD.
Keep up the good work.
Star Jones

Hemet, CA

#24 Aug 16, 2011
The Hemet Police department is barely surviving. My brother looked into officer jobs there and found that there is no opportunity to speak of. All of the positions were patrol. They have eliminated the traffic positions, drug enforcement, and sex offender enforcement. A contract with the sheriff would ensure that all of these positions were covered. These are the enforcement positions that citizens care about and the PD is not providing them.
P Serpico

Hemet, CA

#25 Aug 16, 2011
Star Jones wrote:
The Hemet Police department is barely surviving. My brother looked into officer jobs there and found that there is no opportunity to speak of. All of the positions were patrol. They have eliminated the traffic positions, drug enforcement, and sex offender enforcement. A contract with the sheriff would ensure that all of these positions were covered. These are the enforcement positions that citizens care about and the PD is not providing them.
Well, don't know what rock you've been hiding under, but many police departments ARE NOT hiring.

Do you really believe all those positions would just magically reappear if Hemet contracted out to RSO? Remember something, you get what you pay for and that would determine what Hemet would and wouldn't get by contracting out.
Star Jones

Hemet, CA

#26 Aug 16, 2011
P Serpico wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, don't know what rock you've been hiding under, but many police departments ARE NOT hiring.
Do you really believe all those positions would just magically reappear if Hemet contracted out to RSO? Remember something, you get what you pay for and that would determine what Hemet would and wouldn't get by contracting out.
"you get what you pay for" is my point. Hemet Police are not providing services that are essential. San Jacinto has a drug team and traffic officers.
P Serpico

Hemet, CA

#27 Aug 17, 2011
Star Jones wrote:
<quoted text>
"you get what you pay for" is my point. Hemet Police are not providing services that are essential. San Jacinto has a drug team and traffic officers.
I'm well aware of that.

My point is, if Hemet were to contract out, they'll be offered a variety of services-FOR A PRICE. Everyone here can agree on one thing-HEMET HAS NO MONEY. So, how do you think Hemet will be able to pay for a "drug team" and traffic officers? Hemet will get the basics, with their limited funds. That's how contracts work.

And don't forget, RSO just increased their fees for the contract cities. With Hemet's limited funds, do you really think they would be able to keep up with the contract increases, without making cuts to staffing? It's the same 'ol thing & same 'ol problems.
P Serpico

Hemet, CA

#28 Aug 17, 2011
And just to clarify, what I'm well aware of is San Jacinto has a "drug team" and traffic officers.

Thank you.
Star Jones

Hemet, CA

#29 Aug 17, 2011
Hemet has reached a point where a military force is needed to keep things in check. The sheriff's department has the people/equipment to do this. The police department has lacked this for years. My brother tells me that none of the officers that work there want to stay. Nobody has a true interest in this city surviving, so contract everything out and stop wasting time trying to manage people that do not want to be there.
Facts Please

Hemet, CA

#30 Aug 17, 2011
Star Jones wrote:
Hemet has reached a point where a military force is needed to keep things in check. The sheriff's department has the people/equipment to do this. The police department has lacked this for years. My brother tells me that none of the officers that work there want to stay. Nobody has a true interest in this city surviving, so contract everything out and stop wasting time trying to manage people that do not want to be there.
Who is your brother?

Normally I wouldn't care about the idiots that blog, but at least have the facts. Sheriff's Dept just cut 7 Deps out of the Hemet Station and are deploying only a few deputies a shift out of that station. You have no idea what you are taking about. I know, cause I work for the County.
outright thieves

Riverside, CA

#31 Aug 17, 2011
it gets a lot worse, especially the more you really know and the more you really know what you are looking at. if you really think the pd being gutted from the start is all and solely due to lack of city money, you're either so misinformed as to be insignificant, a stooge of the power "elite", or just an average sheeple that has their own life and can only trust in and believe what their elected officials and city management tells them.

you should notice that at no time has a high ranking hpd official ever stated that they can't do the job.(and this despite the radical cuts made over the last five years.)

do yourself a favor and ask yourself why, if the city knew or should have known, that hpd is unable to handle their job, that they would not have addressed it as a performance issue years ago by the usual tactic of changing the chief?

pete whats his name retired, after some thirty years on the job, and dana was forced out because he critcized franchville, and in fact got that weasel's sorry ass taken off the look at me public information officer post that frachville literally lived for, not at all because the pd was lagging in performance. at that time hpd was able to boast of some of the highest case closed numbers in the whole u.s.

when are you going to wake up and realize that your govt as a whole only sees you as a feedstock, a resource for them to endlessly milk through "expert" manipulation?
4-20 a to z

Radersburg, MT

#32 Aug 17, 2011
outright thieves wrote:
it gets a lot worse, especially the more you really know and the more you really know what you are looking at. if you really think the pd being gutted from the start is all and solely due to lack of city money, you're either so misinformed as to be insignificant, a stooge of the power "elite", or just an average sheeple that has their own life and can only trust in and believe what their elected officials and city management tells them.
you should notice that at no time has a high ranking hpd official ever stated that they can't do the job.(and this despite the radical cuts made over the last five years.)
do yourself a favor and ask yourself why, if the city knew or should have known, that hpd is unable to handle their job, that they would not have addressed it as a performance issue years ago by the usual tactic of changing the chief?
pete whats his name retired, after some thirty years on the job, and dana was forced out because he critcized franchville, and in fact got that weasel's sorry ass taken off the look at me public information officer post that frachville literally lived for, not at all because the pd was lagging in performance. at that time hpd was able to boast of some of the highest case closed numbers in the whole u.s.
when are you going to wake up and realize that your govt as a whole only sees you as a feedstock, a resource for them to endlessly milk through "expert" manipulation?
I could not agree more!

"mayor" Franchville is an RSO "investigator", and from what I hear, RSO is not very happy with him anymore. Not saying they were in the first place!

What do you do with a problem like Franchville...you give him the title of "Public Information Officer", and get him to make press releases, instead of doing real police work.

Or, you assign him to investigate fights at the juvenile facility.

BOTH have been done by RSO.

As RSO distances themselves from Jerry Franchville, he decides to run for Hemet City Council, and does his research on Hemet by spending a few weekends reading back-issues of The Valley Chronicle. He is surprised to be elected, after all, he never wanted to be involved in politics.

But he is proud to have his name on the same ballot as a black man and possibly a woman running for president. This, apparently, will someday make his kids proud.

I guess he can be really, really, really proud now, to be appointed "mayor" of Hemet.

Sorry for the long rant, but anyone interested should view the video of the "State of the City Address" Franchville delivered. Search "Franchville State of City Address", and watch it. Please. My rant was taken from his statements in this speech, not verbatim, but damn close. I am going to have to get a hard copy of that speech someday......just for entertainment.
4-20 a to z

Radersburg, MT

#33 Aug 18, 2011
www.ustream.tv/recorded/13643911

Best link up now....

Sorry for any ads placed, not my doing. Get thru the ads, and see what is coming.

Please watch. 36 minutes. A small time to give up, in order to see what is really on the horizon in Hemet.
Even More Pissed OFF

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#34 Aug 18, 2011
Oh, it's a LOT worse than that. In MOST cases, and ask any real cop that really does ride around in a patrol car ready to do real live battle with the bad guys, in most cases a PIO job is considered right up there with being in the internal affairs department.

Most cops despise them. You typically get to be a PIO for one of several reasons, either because you just look great on camera, and every PD needs all the help it can get with positive press, and if you have a great looking person standing at an accident scene with many dead victims, it only helps your image as the PD. Think about that for awhile. It's a direct reflection of our own addiction to the Hollywood stereotypes that we put up on a pedestal.

Vain, self serving narcissists are drawn to the PIO position. Check one for Franchville. Narcissist.

Second, PIO is akin to being in protective custody in prison. If the general population of prisoners will take your life quickly because of their code of honor, like they do with child molesters, then you are placed in p.c.

Franchville was placed in p.c. because no one would go through a door with him. It's one of those situations where, you are facing down some utterly worthless piece of skin, dirty harry style, and he decides to play the system and "just give up" knowing that you are supposed to play by the rules and arrest him, even though he just murdered nine children or whatever. A good cop will say the heck with that and dispense justice on the spot. A good partner will back his play.

A narcissist will rat you off. Do you see where this is going?

I tried watching the whole video, really I did. But it's too sickening. I already know and have dealth with Franchville on a dozen issues anyway, and know him well. He is a dilletante with no skill, a legend in his own mind. Watching the video will display that easily.

He is just as dangerous to the citizens of Hemet as the rest of the lying, cheating and stealing people of the city council, led by the city manager, who should rightfully go to jail for his past escapades, much less what he is doing now. HE is a bad person. I hope he reads this; Brian, you are a rotten p.o.s. and karma will definitely catch up with you.

If you want to see the future of this town, go to Palmdale. Don't take my word for it, go there yourself, spend week there, and decide if it's where you would want to raise a family or own a business. Even the elementary schools are indistinguishable from a medium security prison. And that's the "good" ones.

This town is planned for destruction, and one of the reasons is that the high number of seniors are seen as an easier target than the demographics of say, Palm Springs.

The handful of people that are set on destroying the resistance of what used to be good, honest people in town are simply using Hemet as a stepping stone to make their millions in land deals. The city manager is doing it to make chump change in bribe money for himself. He'll get at least half a million from CR&R. Then he'll leave town. In one of his previous jobs he let a supervisor under him sexually assault female staff members for years. At another job he let a computer company overcharge the city 10,000 dollars a month for his cut.

It's all real, he really did and is doing this stuff. He's thrilled to have an evil, stupid council that not only lets him do it, but gets their scraps and are happy with them.

Sure, no one cares. You can call the press, they own the press. The state has way bigger problems than to care. The feds are a joke on a good day.

So it's only up to the citizens to protest, and only the old people will get off their rear end,the young people are too lazy.

But the old people will die off, and the young ones will be the ones paying the price. Like I said, take a trip to Palmdale. It's a shame, especially since it's not necessary at all.

I saw the handwriting on the wall and moved my family out of town two years ago, and haven't looked back since
What a joke

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#35 Aug 18, 2011
Oh, it's a LOT worse than that. In MOST cases, and ask any real cop that really does ride around in a patrol car ready to do real live battle with the bad guys, in most cases a PIO job is considered right up there with being in the internal affairs department.

Most cops despise them. You typically get to be a PIO for one of several reasons, either because you just look great on camera, and every PD needs all the help it can get with positive press, and if you have a great looking person standing at an accident scene with many dead victims, it only helps your image as the PD. Think about that for awhile. It's a direct reflection of our own addiction to the Hollywood stereotypes that we put up on a pedestal.

Vain, self serving narcissists are drawn to the PIO position. Check one for Franchville. Narcissist.

Second, PIO is akin to being in protective custody in prison. If the general population of prisoners will take your life quickly because of their code of honor, like they do with child molesters, then you are placed in p.c.

Franchville was placed in p.c. because no one would go through a door with him. It's one of those situations where, you are facing down some utterly worthless piece of skin, dirty harry style, and he decides to play the system and "just give up" knowing that you are supposed to play by the rules and arrest him, even though he just murdered nine children or whatever. A good cop will say the heck with that and dispense justice on the spot. A good partner will back his play.

A narcissist will rat you off. Do you see where this is going?
What a joke

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#36 Aug 18, 2011
I tried watching the whole video, really I did. But it's too sickening. I already know and have dealth with Franchville on a dozen issues anyway, and know him well. He is a dilletante with no skill, a legend in his own mind. Watching the video will display that easily.

He is just as dangerous to the citizens of Hemet as the rest of the lying, cheating and stealing people of the city council, led by the city manager, who should rightfully go to jail for his past escapades, much less what he is doing now. HE is a bad person. I hope he reads this; Brian, you are a rotten p.o.s. and karma will definitely catch up with you.

If you want to see the future of this town, go to Palmdale. Don't take my word for it, go there yourself, spend week there, and decide if it's where you would want to raise a family or own a business. Even the elementary schools are indistinguishable from a medium security prison. And that's the "good" ones.

This town is planned for destruction, and one of the reasons is that the high number of seniors are seen as an easier target than the demographics of say, Palm Springs.

The handful of people that are set on destroying the resistance of what used to be good, honest people in town are simply using Hemet as a stepping stone to make their millions in land deals. The city manager is doing it to make chump change in bribe money for himself. He'll get at least half a million from CR&R. Then he'll leave town. In one of his previous jobs he let a supervisor under him sexually assault female staff members for years. At another job he let a computer company overcharge the city 10,000 dollars a month for his cut.

It's all real, he really did and is doing this stuff. He's thrilled to have an evil, stupid council that not only lets him do it, but gets their scraps and are happy with them.

Sure, no one cares. You can call the press, they own the press. The state has way bigger problems than to care. The feds are a joke on a good day.

So it's only up to the citizens to protest, and only the old people will get off their rear end,the young people are too lazy.

But the old people will die off, and the young ones will be the ones paying the price. Like I said, take a trip to Palmdale. It's a shame, especially since it's not necessary at all.

I saw the handwriting on the wall and moved my family out of town two years ago, and haven't looked back since
Star Jones

Hemet, CA

#37 Aug 19, 2011
Facts Please wrote:
<quoted text>
Who is your brother?
Normally I wouldn't care about the idiots that blog, but at least have the facts. Sheriff's Dept just cut 7 Deps out of the Hemet Station and are deploying only a few deputies a shift out of that station. You have no idea what you are taking about. I know, cause I work for the County.
I will not tell you who my brother is. He has no reason to lie.

The Hemet deputies may be cut, but they can call upon other stations to help, if needed. Hemet PD is out of options. There are no "extra" officers to call upon.
P Serpico

Hemet, CA

#38 Aug 19, 2011
Star Jones wrote:
<quoted text>
I will not tell you who my brother is. He has no reason to lie.
The Hemet deputies may be cut, but they can call upon other stations to help, if needed. Hemet PD is out of options. There are no "extra" officers to call upon.
You're a misinformed idiot, Star Jones.

YOU can move along now.
OBSERVER

Claremont, CA

#39 Aug 19, 2011
P Serpico wrote:
<quoted text>
You're a misinformed idiot, Star Jones.
YOU can move along now.
Seems you are the misinformed !
P Serpico

Hemet, CA

#40 Aug 20, 2011
OBSERVER wrote:
<quoted text>
Seems you are the misinformed !
You bet I am, CHINO OBSERVER.

I didn't know they gave prisoners access to the internet at Chino State Prison. I just learned something new today. I don't feel so misinformed now. Thanks!

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