State keeping pigeon shoot tradition alive

There are 20 comments on the Apr 8, 2008, The Morning Call story titled State keeping pigeon shoot tradition alive. In it, The Morning Call reports that:

I hear all the time that Pennsylvania isn't the place it used to be. But there's one area in which our state still is our nation's leader.

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Jim

United States

#1 Jul 4, 2008
This is so heartbreaking to read, Oh my God, what can we possibly do to get rid of this past century barbaric practice.
Hopefully these hunters will come back in their next life 'as a poor pigeon' to answer for this. Pennsylvania is a state
that have never moved forward and continues to buck the
humane laws. These politicians are cowards to the NRA.
KutePets StoreAllentown

West Byfleet, UK

#2 Sep 3, 2008
We are having a great sale on Pigeon Food during the next 4 weeks ALL WELCOME, will gladly deliver to local Pigeon Farms.
Call and ask for Good Deal Bob, Manager.
ps. Our Pets-Meat section can supply fresh Pigeon Breast-Steaks for hounds and the larger dog.
Try r own-special-recipe Pigeon Sausage,(minced and sieved to give a lead-shot-free tasty treat) a delicious seasonal treat ideal for ur Kute Little Pooch, go on spoil him!

“BORN TO UNDULATE !!”

Since: Mar 07

Proud resident of the Valley

#3 Sep 3, 2008
There shouldn't even BE a discussion on whether or not this inhumane practice should continue in PA. Our elected and publically paid legislators have had bills banning this 'sport' in front of them for years now. But, like a lot of other bills that make absolute sense, they go unsigned. PA legislators have proven themselves to be very unfriendly to animals time and time again. Requests over the past 4 years to our local legislators to address the unsafe use of NSAID drugs in animals, such as Rimadyl and Deramaxx, has done nothing to slow the number of dogs dying.

If I were a bomb sniffing dog and my handler commanded me to go into a building and sniff out a bomb, I'd look up at him, hand him my collar, tell him to go find a politician to do his dirty work. Our animals have been doing their's way too long.
Town center inhabitant

West Byfleet, UK

#4 Sep 3, 2008
Everyone who lives in a town or city center is envious of you guys, wish I could get a licence to rid my town of these vermin
Animal Lover

West Byfleet, UK

#5 Sep 3, 2008
Like most folk I too love our wild creatures including our little feathered friends but.....but, there comes a time when too much is definitely enough, I agree with the Town Center guy.
Pigeons are uneasily tolerated in every single town and city throughout the Western World.
They are too big to be cuddly and shit everywhere, now lets be honest about that and say it as it is, no need to flower it up, its as disgusting as it sounds and fills our streets and beautiful buildings with disease ridden bacteria.
If we had any sense and I include even the most ridiculous do-goody animal kissy on the lips type here too, we would set a path to give back our streets to folk, their children and their grandchildren all deserving to live disease free of blatantly obvious filth. We did it with Dog Shit and look at the wonderful benefit which each and everyone of us now enjoys and appreciates, honestly now who misses that shit?, Hands up now.
These Pennsylvanian’s are field leaders in Good Sense, we can take our lead from them, ok if you want to take part and feel miserable about it that’s fine, you don’t have to enjoy it but lets get the job over and done with for our next generations health and the cleanliness and beauty of our cities, it just makes sound sense.
The reckless way we chose to ignore, pretending to all around us (like a village idiot with rolling eyes) and failing to notice the bloody obvious pervasive and increasing pollution in the form of pigeon shit growing like a mountain higher everyday on beautiful buildings, landscape and parks is appalling.
Let’s STOP IT!

“BORN TO UNDULATE !!”

Since: Mar 07

Proud resident of the Valley

#6 Sep 4, 2008
Animal Lover wrote:
Like most folk I too love our wild creatures including our little feathered friends but.....but, there comes a time when too much is definitely enough, I agree with the Town Center guy.
Pigeons are uneasily tolerated in every single town and city throughout the Western World.
They are too big to be cuddly and **** everywhere, now lets be honest about that and say it as it is, no need to flower it up, its as disgusting as it sounds and fills our streets and beautiful buildings with disease ridden bacteria.
If we had any sense and I include even the most ridiculous do-goody animal kissy on the lips type here too, we would set a path to give back our streets to folk, their children and their grandchildren all deserving to live disease free of blatantly obvious filth. We did it with Dog **** and look at the wonderful benefit which each and everyone of us now enjoys and appreciates, honestly now who misses that ****?, Hands up now.
These Pennsylvanian’s are field leaders in Good Sense, we can take our lead from them, ok if you want to take part and feel miserable about it that’s fine, you don’t have to enjoy it but lets get the job over and done with for our next generations health and the cleanliness and beauty of our cities, it just makes sound sense.
The reckless way we chose to ignore, pretending to all around us (like a village idiot with rolling eyes) and failing to notice the bloody obvious pervasive and increasing pollution in the form of pigeon **** growing like a mountain higher everyday on beautiful buildings, landscape and parks is appalling.
Let’s STOP IT!
So....someone gave you a license to play God now and make the decision to wipe out a bird type? Nice. Why you are at it can you head to the shore and knock off the gulls that steal french fries from board walkers and poop all over the hand railings. And...can you add misquitos to the list as well...that would put a dent in the West Nile virus problem we have as well. How about the rats in NYC...some as big as dogs, carrying worse filth than any other animal on the planet. We also have rabid skunks that are fearless and will attack pet dogs.

Your argument in support of these pigeon shoots holds no water. The manner in which these shoots are held (and yes I have witnessed quite a few) is barbaric. The only thing worse than that is the turkey shoots these people hold by tieing a turkeys leg to a peg, giving it 10' of rope to run around, and shooting at it with a bow and arrow while it is in fear for its life. Real sportsmen.

“Undulation Mania!”

Since: Dec 06

Allentown, PA

#7 Sep 4, 2008
Can someone please explain the purpose of this "sport?" I was unable to finish reading the article... And don't give me "pigeon over-population"... That's BS!!
I love animals

Ambler, PA

#8 Sep 4, 2008
Bar_keep wrote:
<quoted text>
So....someone gave you a license to play God now and make the decision to wipe out a bird type? Nice. Why you are at it can you head to the shore and knock off the gulls that steal french fries from board walkers and poop all over the hand railings. And...can you add misquitos to the list as well...that would put a dent in the West Nile virus problem we have as well. How about the rats in NYC...some as big as dogs, carrying worse filth than any other animal on the planet. We also have rabid skunks that are fearless and will attack pet dogs.
Your argument in support of these pigeon shoots holds no water. The manner in which these shoots are held (and yes I have witnessed quite a few) is barbaric. The only thing worse than that is the turkey shoots these people hold by tieing a turkeys leg to a peg, giving it 10' of rope to run around, and shooting at it with a bow and arrow while it is in fear for its life. Real sportsmen.
I am so with you! I am sick of people playing GOD with animals! I am having this same argument with someone on another thread concerning the aerial hunting of wolves in Alaska! He is saying it is a necessary evil for the ecosystem????!!!!! WTF is a necessary evil? AN excuse for being evil? I can't talk to these people.
I love animals

Ambler, PA

#9 Sep 4, 2008
Anna from LV wrote:
Can someone please explain the purpose of this "sport?" I was unable to finish reading the article... And don't give me "pigeon over-population"... That's BS!!
yeah, someone explain it to me also!

“BORN TO UNDULATE !!”

Since: Mar 07

Proud resident of the Valley

#10 Sep 4, 2008
I love animals wrote:
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I am so with you! I am sick of people playing GOD with animals! I am having this same argument with someone on another thread concerning the aerial hunting of wolves in Alaska! He is saying it is a necessary evil for the ecosystem????!!!!! WTF is a necessary evil? AN excuse for being evil? I can't talk to these people.
The argument is simple....this world and all its creatures have been in existance for millions of years. The ecosystem has developed and animals. plants, and matter has either adapted to it, or died. Snuffing out a species just because people feel it does not fit...is not and should not be their choice. The Alaska killing of wolves is wrong...dead wrong. And it will come back in X amount of years to bite someone in the azz. We won't see it. But our ancestors will. We created DDT and almost killed off our eagles. The ecosystem will rebalance itself in time. If we loose a species because of natural selection, that is the way it is suppose to be. Artificially ending a species because 'it does not fit', or is getting too large by human standards....is wrong. And dangerous.
I love animals

Ambler, PA

#11 Sep 4, 2008
Bar_keep wrote:
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The argument is simple....this world and all its creatures have been in existance for millions of years. The ecosystem has developed and animals. plants, and matter has either adapted to it, or died. Snuffing out a species just because people feel it does not fit...is not and should not be their choice. The Alaska killing of wolves is wrong...dead wrong. And it will come back in X amount of years to bite someone in the ****. We won't see it. But our ancestors will. We created DDT and almost killed off our eagles. The ecosystem will rebalance itself in time. If we loose a species because of natural selection, that is the way it is suppose to be. Artificially ending a species because 'it does not fit', or is getting too large by human standards....is wrong. And dangerous.
THANK YOU! Exactly what I argued on another thread. NATURE TAKES CARE OF BUSINESS! We have no right getting involved.

I SAY BAR_KEEP FOR PRESIDENT! LOL!
I love animals

Ambler, PA

#12 Sep 4, 2008
Bar_keep
Not sure if you belong but check out care2.org ! We could use your voice!
I love animals

Ambler, PA

#13 Sep 4, 2008
and I am sure you belong to defenders.org !

“People smell funny.”

Since: Nov 07

East Vincent, PA

#14 Sep 4, 2008
I love animals wrote:
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THANK YOU! Exactly what I argued on another thread. NATURE TAKES CARE OF BUSINESS! We have no right getting involved.
But it's not doing its business fast enough for some.

The next time you hear about a city being wiped off the map by tornadoes or hurricanes, don't feel bad for all of the dead people and animals; nature's just taking care of business.

/just saying - nature can be just as cruel as people
//I'd rather be killed by bullet than starvation or disease

“Undulation Mania!”

Since: Dec 06

Allentown, PA

#15 Sep 4, 2008
Bar_keep wrote:
<quoted text>
The argument is simple....this world and all its creatures have been in existance for millions of years. The ecosystem has developed and animals. plants, and matter has either adapted to it, or died. Snuffing out a species just because people feel it does not fit...is not and should not be their choice. The Alaska killing of wolves is wrong...dead wrong. And it will come back in X amount of years to bite someone in the ****. We won't see it. But our ancestors will. We created DDT and almost killed off our eagles. The ecosystem will rebalance itself in time. If we loose a species because of natural selection, that is the way it is suppose to be. Artificially ending a species because 'it does not fit', or is getting too large by human standards....is wrong. And dangerous.
Hello there my favortist Kitty!!...:)

You are so, so right! All living things are on this planet for a reason... I totally agree with you that nothing good can come from killing off or trying to "control" a certain species. It does disrupt the natural balance of things and, although we may not see the repercussions, our future generations will!

Have you seen Lun Lun (the giant panda) and her new cub at the Atlanta Zoo yet ( www.zooatlanta.org )?... Omg... It's the most amazing thing!! He was born at 10:10 Saturday night and they had them on the panda cam until early Monday afternoon... He started to decline and they had to move him to an incubator for about 19 hours, but don't worry, they're both doing fantastic now and he's been back with mama!!! They still don't have them back on the panda cam, but have regular daily updates on how they're doing. Right now you can check out the cub's daddy and big sister, Yang Yang and Mei Lan on the cam between 10am and 5pm. They are so beautiful, I am in awe every time I watch them!!

“People smell funny.”

Since: Nov 07

East Vincent, PA

#16 Sep 4, 2008
Anna from LV wrote:
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Hello there my favortist Kitty!!...:)
You are so, so right! All living things are on this planet for a reason... I totally agree with you that nothing good can come from killing off or trying to "control" a certain species. It does disrupt the natural balance of things and, although we may not see the repercussions, our future generations will!
Have you seen Lun Lun (the giant panda) and her new cub at the Atlanta Zoo yet ( www.zooatlanta.org )?... Omg... It's the most amazing thing!! He was born at 10:10 Saturday night and they had them on the panda cam until early Monday afternoon... He started to decline and they had to move him to an incubator for about 19 hours, but don't worry, they're both doing fantastic now and he's been back with mama!!! They still don't have them back on the panda cam, but have regular daily updates on how they're doing. Right now you can check out the cub's daddy and big sister, Yang Yang and Mei Lan on the cam between 10am and 5pm. They are so beautiful, I am in awe every time I watch them!!
You realize you just contradicted yourself, right? You said, "I totally agree with you that nothing good can come from killing off or trying to 'control' a certain species," and in the next sentence you praised zoo officials for intervening when the baby panda's health started to deteriorate. Are we not controlling the species when we step in to prevent what nature has decided?

/just playing Devil's Advocate

“Undulation Mania!”

Since: Dec 06

Allentown, PA

#17 Sep 5, 2008
Mandapants wrote:
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You realize you just contradicted yourself, right? You said, "I totally agree with you that nothing good can come from killing off or trying to 'control' a certain species," and in the next sentence you praised zoo officials for intervening when the baby panda's health started to deteriorate. Are we not controlling the species when we step in to prevent what nature has decided?
just playing Devil's Advocate
I'm glad you asked this... I was waiting for it...

No, I am not contradicting myself. The cub was born in captivity, and before you jump all over that one, the reason giant pandas are endangered and need to be bred in captivity is because humans have succeeded in destroying most of their natural habitat so they cannot thrive and killed so many of them for their pelts.

So, being we caused all of this damage, we need to make things right and do everything to re-populate this species. If it weren't for pure human greed, these beautiful creatures would not have to be bred in captivity, they would still be thriving in their natural habitats.

“People smell funny.”

Since: Nov 07

East Vincent, PA

#18 Sep 5, 2008
Anna from LV wrote:
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I'm glad you asked this... I was waiting for it...
No, I am not contradicting myself. The cub was born in captivity, and before you jump all over that one, the reason giant pandas are endangered and need to be bred in captivity is because humans have succeeded in destroying most of their natural habitat so they cannot thrive and killed so many of them for their pelts.
So, being we caused all of this damage, we need to make things right and do everything to re-populate this species. If it weren't for pure human greed, these beautiful creatures would not have to be bred in captivity, they would still be thriving in their natural habitats.
But we're still intervening. Even if we, as greedy humans, almost killed them off, if nature had intended for them to thrive, would they not have done so on their own?

Do you have any pets? If so, do you allow them to roam around and hunt their own food? If you don't, are you not going against what nature intended, even having pets in the first place?

Keep in mind that despite PA allows this pigeon hunt each year, and despite the fact that the falcons in Center City prey on them, they still thrive. Nature has provided for them, even with human intervention.
In support of Culling

Worthing, UK

#19 Sep 7, 2008
Bar_keep wrote:
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So....someone gave you a license to play God now and make the decision to wipe out a bird type? Nice. Why you are at it can you head to the shore and knock off the gulls that steal french fries from board walkers and poop all over the hand railings. And...can you add misquitos to the list as well...that would put a dent in the West Nile virus problem we have as well. How about the rats in NYC...some as big as dogs, carrying worse filth than any other animal on the planet. We also have rabid skunks that are fearless and will attack pet dogs.
Your argument in support of these pigeon shoots holds no water. The manner in which these shoots are held (and yes I have witnessed quite a few) is barbaric. The only thing worse than that is the turkey shoots these people hold by tieing a turkeys leg to a peg, giving it 10' of rope to run around, and shooting at it with a bow and arrow while it is in fear for its life. Real sportsmen.
Did you manage to get any photos of the Pigeon or Turkey shoots you attended? Be grateful to include them i a article Im writing in support of culling unnecessary pests, Ill give you credit for pics.
Puzzled

Worthing, UK

#20 Sep 7, 2008
I love animals wrote:
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I am so with you! I am sick of people playing GOD with animals! I am having this same argument with someone on another thread concerning the aerial hunting of wolves in Alaska! He is saying it is a necessary evil for the ecosystem????!!!!! WTF is a necessary evil? AN excuse for being evil? I can't talk to these people.
What does WTF stand for? I know the World Wildlife Fund but yours is a new one on me

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