School to stop leading prayer

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johnny

Huntington, WV

#2 Jan 25, 2013
Thank you miss Webb you made my day.
Jethro

Huntington, WV

#3 Jan 25, 2013
KFC wrote:
NTINGTON -- School officials say the recent practice of saying a prayer over the public address system at Central City Elementary School will stop, after a parent complained that it was inappropriate.

Jacqueline Webb, whose two children attend the school, voiced her complaint to Principal Patrick O'Neal the Monday following the school shooting in Newtown, Conn., the same morning she first heard the group prayer.

"It was Dec. 17, the Monday after the Sandy Hook shooting, and the kids were late that morning so I took them into the office to get slips and get to class and while I was standing there, the principal went through the pledge and announcements and then introduced a staff member who prayed in Jesus' name," Webb said.

Webb said she believes matters of a religious nature should be kept inside the family.
Why can't the majority rule anymore? I'd say if you took a pole, more parents would be in favor of it than against it.

And the BOE and it's idiot leader wouldn't have the backbone to stand up against her I'm sure.
Paws

Huntington, WV

#4 Jan 25, 2013
Let's say a prayer in school to Buddha, or Shiva, or Allah, or Zeus and see how you feel. Not everyone prays and not everyone prays to Jesus. In the newspaper article it said the prayer ended, "in Jesus' name we pray. Amen."
Zaphod

Alexandria, VA

#5 Jan 25, 2013
Thank god.
My God is an awesome God

Roanoke, VA

#6 Jan 25, 2013
Wonder what Ms. Webb will have to say for herself on judgement day? What a shame that our country is so determined to remove God from everything including our schools!
Zaphod

Alexandria, VA

#7 Jan 25, 2013
My God is an awesome God wrote:
Wonder what Ms. Webb will have to say for herself on judgement day? What a shame that our country is so determined to remove God from everything including our schools!
How do you get god out of the school? Broom? Or leaf blower?
Agnostic

Slippery Rock, PA

#8 Jan 25, 2013
I think it is ok to say a "prayer". But, it should be made very plain to parents that it is happening so they can instruct their children not to participate or whatever at home, it should be optional to lower your head, clasp your hands, etc., and it shouldn't end in "in Jesus' name" or be specific to any particular religion. So more like a "wish" for a good day. Something like, "Today we hope children at our school and across the nation have a wonderful, safe, and educational day. We hope no tragedies occur in our world today. We will have those in need or in times of heart-ache and struggle in our hearts and mind and hope that today is a day when their problems are solved. At this time we will have a moment of silence for anyone who wants to participate in a SILENT prayer or hope of their specific desire or faith.-Small Pause- Everyone have a nice day." This shouldn't offend anyone, if it does then at that point I believe that person is just being difficult or irrational and IMO can and should be legally ignored.

This is a solution that is a compromise for both sides and should meet ALL needs. Even Atheists, I believe, would not be offended by the above proposed "prayer". It isn't specific to any religion or God and if parents are made aware that it is going to happen then they can instruct their children in how to spend that moment of silence that is suitable to that home's beliefs. It starts the day off with good thoughts for the children and teaches them to be empathetic to others and aware of non-specific troubles in the world (or in the case of the Newtown Shooting, specific tragedies and the following day they can mention that specific tragedy and allow for children to observe a longer moment of silence to acknowledge it in their faith specific way). It allows for homes that follow any religion to teach their child how to pray or acknowledge "well-wishing thoughts" and gives them an opportunity at school to do so in a way that shouldn't offend anyone.

Someone who wants to shout you can't even "hope" for a good day is being irrational but any faith, in this country Christians specifically, needs to be understanding of the fact that not all children follow the same religion and just as they would not want their child forced to observe a Satanic ritual or Muslim prayer every morning parents of other faiths feel the same about Christianity. Just because you believe in something doesn't mean that everyone else does or that everyone else wants their children exposed to those beliefs. Especially children in elementary school which are at a very impressionable age. Christians have to quit thinking that their way is the only way and that everyone else should set their feelings aside so that Christian children can observe their faith alone. There is separation of church and state for a reason.
My God is an awesome God

Richmond, VA

#9 Jan 25, 2013
http://m.topix.com/feedback/mobile-report-pos...

What an intelligent question! NOT!!
Huh

Slippery Rock, PA

#10 Jan 25, 2013
^Why did you post a link to the Topix Reporting Website?

If you are talking about Zaphod, I will agree it was a stupid question. But that person is a troll, don't encourage them by acknowledging your outrage. Report them, ignore them, and be done with it. You are only asking for more if you acknowledge it.
a parent

Huntington, WV

#11 Jan 25, 2013
For the life of me, I don't understand why someone would complain about religion being in the school. Why not request various religious studies instead of taking everything away from others? Instead of educating simple social cultures and understandings, our children are forced to live in a box like a product from a factory. This woman couldn't let her child decide, she was the one bothered by it. She didn't care that the majority were fine, she thought about only her child. Forget trying to come up with a solution that could benefit all, take it away from everyone because your child is around something that he obviously already knew not to inform you of it to begin with. No, I don't agree with what this woman has done. And I can't even stand to look at her ugly fat face.
These schools want to consolidated and act like they are colleges, then they need to start teaching courses that offer tolerance and understanding of cultural and religious diversity. Allow the parents and children to opt out of these social studies courses for something else if they can't handle the teachings of religion. Teaching religion does not make one religious! It is a universal characteristic of every single culture in the world. How could you possibly understand a diverse environment if you do not know the core of the culture? This woman just dumbed down all those kids.
Paws

Huntington, WV

#12 Jan 25, 2013
They weren't teaching a religious studies class, they were praying over the intercom before class started. If you want your kid to believe the world was created in 7 days by a god, teach that BS at home. I want my kid to learn math, history and science. If it was my kid's school pulling this crap I would have done the same thing but I would have contacted the state board of education.
Agnostic

Slippery Rock, PA

#13 Jan 25, 2013
A Parent- No, she did not "dumb down" those children. Teaching about different religions and cultures is MUCH different than OBSERVING religious practices. Plus, comparing colleges to elementary schools is absurd. People in college are adults, free to make their own choice and old enough to not be so impressionable that learning about another religion is likely to effect or change their own beliefs. Children FORCED to observe religious RITUALS are impressionable and it can cause problems in their home. As I said, would you be ok if you walked into your child's school and learned they were being forced to observe a Satanic ritual every morning without your knowledge? I know it is difficult for most Christian's to understand, but contrary to popular belief in this country, Christianity is not the ONLY right belief system and actually accounts for less than 1/3 of the world's population's religious beliefs. And, to someone of another faith, their child having to observe a Christian based prayer every morning is no different than forcing your child to observe something against your belief system every morning. School is for education, not religion. If during geography it is mentioned that a particular part of the world observes a particular religion mostly then that is ok. But, going into teaching the actual beliefs and rituals of those religions to elementary aged, impressionable children and expecting ALL parents to accept that is not only ridiculous it is irrational. Religion should be taught in the home or at religious institutions or saved for adults to choose to learn about on their own or in college. As mentioned previously, I see nothing wrong with a compromise, a "well-wishing" for the day and moment of silence. But to teach or practice rituals and beliefs of certain religions is not the place of the school and should not be allowed. Freedom of religion in this country does not translate to being able to force any type of religion on any person, especially a child. Again, there is separation of church and state for a VERY GOOD reason.An OPTIONAL religious studies course that covers MANY belief systems may be suitable for high school, but elementary aged children do not have the capacity or ability to understand the importance and significance of following the right faith and the choice of what each child is exposed to should be left solely up to the parents to decide and teach.

Then again, why did I just spend this much time speaking in adult terms to someone who expresses anger by saying, "I can't look at her ugly, fat face."? I could be wrong, but I believe that religion you are SO STRONG and FAITHFUL to teaches that it is your place to "love your fellow man" and "not your place, but Gods, to judge".
ACLU WILLgetyoooouuuu

Moorefield, KY

#14 Jan 25, 2013
Why was Mrs Webb late with her kids? Just Curious...

The libs and Atheists will get their way on this, they always do. Public schools do not have the funds or the law to back them. A technicality which they will always have to their advantage. So they choose to take decades of practice out of the schools. Soon there will be none, which is the way they want it. In the future, it will be the internet and eventually the churches they go after next. They will attempt for there to be mention of a God, anywhere. That's when push will come to shove. But the majority of these whiny wimps on here, you will see no sign of when it gets serious. They will let the government do the dirty work.

But hey, why was this seemingly uptight broad late with her kids anyway?

Get ready to hear at least 1001 excuses.....

Zaphod

Proctorville, OH

#15 Jan 25, 2013
ACLU WILLgetyoooouuuu wrote:
Why was Mrs Webb late with her kids? Just Curious...

The libs and Atheists will get their way on this, they always do. Public schools do not have the funds or the law to back them. A technicality which they will always have to their advantage. So they choose to take decades of practice out of the schools. Soon there will be none, which is the way they want it. In the future, it will be the internet and eventually the churches they go after next. They will attempt for there to be mention of a God, anywhere. That's when push will come to shove. But the majority of these whiny wimps on here, you will see no sign of when it gets serious. They will let the government do the dirty work.

But hey, why was this seemingly uptight broad late with her kids anyway?

Get ready to hear at least 1001 excuses.....
Very Christian of you.
ACLU WILLgetyoooouuuu

Moorefield, KY

#16 Jan 26, 2013
Zaphod wrote:
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Very Christian of you.
Well,it's like this: we're going to be darned if we do, or darned if we don't. I could have quoted scripture that would have foretold how we will be persecuted for our beliefs, and to simply turn the other cheek, brethren.

Or I could say what some of us have been questioning for years. Why should ONE person and/or organization have influence on what a particular school system has practiced, for more than likely decades? Many examples like this, this is nothing new. She will win this fight, mainly with ACLU legal backing. It is the law after all. When in truth, her kids probably had their choice to do as they wished to do, to begin with. Only now the choice will be gone for the other students. Unless they hold their prayers behind closed doors, secretly. All this over a prayer for those unfortunate kids, teachers and their families in Newtown? I find that MORE than a little sad.

Still would like to know why she was late with her kids. But, like I said... Darned if I do and Darned if I don't.

BIG B

Huntington, WV

#17 Jan 26, 2013
My God is an awesome God wrote:
Wonder what Ms. Webb will have to say for herself on judgement day? What a shame that our country is so determined to remove God from everything including our schools!
as it should be you should not be able to brainwash kids to beleve in your values let them think for them selves as they may want to live a sectauer life style which is best which allows them to think for themselves and live for them selves others have rights also not just bible thumpers
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dogs are dogs

United States

#19 Jan 26, 2013
KFC wrote:
Oh god please help me or them ( first thoughts when someone is in some kind of trouble )
Some people say "Oh, shitt." Does that mean they expect help from shitt.

How many of the outraged parents will substitute a morning prayer at home, going to a morning service or meet with like minded student for a prayer. I would bet none. How many students listened to the prayer anyway, probably very few. When there is no prayer in the home, why should there be prayer in the school.
Paws

Huntington, WV

#20 Jan 26, 2013
How are Christians being persecuted? Just because you can't force your religion on the rest of us doesn't mean you're being persecuted. Do you know what persecution means? No one is trying to keep you from church, no one is preventing you from praying in your home. In fact, Christians try to persecute the rest of us by forcing us to live by their beliefs.
Anon

Hadley, PA

#21 Jan 26, 2013
Here's the thin that bothers me about this whole thing- atheists or those who don't believe in religion are always screaming, "We have a right to not have your beliefs pushed on us!" But people who ARE religious have the SAME right! We don't have to be pushed around by you nonbelievers and we have the freedom, protected by the government, to practice our religion! Just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean it should be taken out of schools or the public in general. If you don't like seeing me pray over my food in public, CLOSE YOUR EYES AND EARS. I don't call anyone out (except now) when they tell me they don't believe in Jesus (or any other God), so why do atheists feel the need to call every single religious person out and make their opinions crystal clear?! And another thing- suppose the prayer at the school was a Muslim or Buddhist prayer. If my children were Christians (hypothetically because I don't have kids), I would simply tell them that while that prayer was going on, to quietly put their head on their desk and say their own prayer to Jesus instead. Not a big deal! It's all about tolerance and respect. Atheists have no respect for people of religion, and THAT is the whole issue here. As a Christian, I respect all other religions and atheists alike. I am not offended when they practice their religion or lack-thereof in public. So why can't atheists have the same respect for us?! It's time we as a Christian body rise up and stop letting these people make everything about them.

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#22 Jan 26, 2013
Not getting your way does not equal persecution. Prayer in school is fine and is completely legal. It just can't be led by the school as the First Amendment does not allow it. Kids are free however to pray on their own. Not everyone is christian so praying over the intercom shows lack of respect for anyone there with different beliefs. Just keep it in your churches and homes and no one will care about your religion.

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