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chbpod

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It the Council meeting last night ( at least what I can infer from the media reports) DA got a little testy that Councilors were asking questions about the School Building proposal. Why so?? DA said that all of this had been vetted throughout the open process of public meetings and through the School Building Committee. So what!--He brought a dog & pony show to the Council-- which will have to vote on the bonding issue--and expected only bobble-head responses during the Q & A?? The ball is now in the Council's court and prcedurely they have to make a final decision. Nothing is "final" until they do. It is the Council's responsibility to do their own vetting of the proposal. He should not try to stifle inquiry. That has happened before. Hope?? Maybe. Change? Doesn't look that way
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Nov 28, 2012
 
Clark,
DA was getting very very upset last night and so wsa his boy Bloom. It was very much a "how dare you question this". Barrett and Breen were right, it is not a done deal until the council approves.

According to Bloom, this would need to pass with 2/3 approval (6 of 9). Is that true? Also, Barrett pointed out that a petition could be signed to make this a ballot issue and have the voters vote. Do you know how that would work? How many signatures and would this be a special vote like the over ride. Barrett also pointed out to DA how poor a job he did of selling the override.
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Nov 28, 2012
 
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Clark,
DA was getting very very upset last night and so wsa his boy Bloom. It was very much a "how dare you question this". Barrett and Breen were right, it is not a done deal until the council approves.
According to Bloom, this would need to pass with 2/3 approval (6 of 9). Is that true? Also, Barrett pointed out that a petition could be signed to make this a ballot issue and have the voters vote. Do you know how that would work? How many signatures and would this be a special vote like the over ride. Barrett also pointed out to DA how poor a job he did of selling the override.
Yes 2/3 vote for Council to agree to the funding--as far as a referendum- I'll have to look that up--but yes it would be a special election just like the Override---first off-- I THINK--there is 120 days after the Council votes--toformalize the funding--I'm a little fuzzy on that one--to send it to a special election within 120 days??? I'll have to see-------
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Nov 28, 2012
 
Wonderful! DA is looking more and more foolish for saying this is a done deal. That will come back to haunt him.

Do you happen to know how many signatures need to be had to force a vote?

Thanks for the info.
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chbpod wrote:
It the Council meeting last night ( at least what I can infer from the media reports) DA got a little testy that Councilors were asking questions about the School Building proposal. Why so?? DA said that all of this had been vetted throughout the open process of public meetings and through the School Building Committee. So what!--He brought a dog & pony show to the Council-- which will have to vote on the bonding issue--and expected only bobble-head responses during the Q & A?? The ball is now in the Council's court and prcedurely they have to make a final decision. Nothing is "final" until they do. It is the Council's responsibility to do their own vetting of the proposal. He should not try to stifle inquiry. That has happened before. Hope?? Maybe. Change? Doesn't look that way
Actually, Dick and all the other professionals in question handled themselves quite well.
It was Breen and that other guy who got foolishly testy. At one point the school rep asked Barrett, "So what's your point?". Meaning, what is the point to these questions. Barrettstarted to realize that there wasn't a smoking gun so he then resorted to his usual tactics, like, "when I was a school-teacher", and "my concern is the children", ya right John. You really cared about them while you were sitting in Nasiif's 1/2 the year.

Dick should've clarified that this is a done deal as far as the design of the school is concerned, and he apologized for that afterwards.
Dick was right. Most of those questions could've been answered at some of the other meetings, but those questioning councilors chose not to attend, and decided to grandstand again. and they came off looking badly-again.
To say that Dick got a little testy is inaccurate. He's been down this road with Barrett's BS before. This was nothing new to him.
Barrett and Breen lose more votes everytime they pull these stunts.
Breen should feel good. She got a ringing endorsement from Trottier and Cardimino.
My bet, if they run in 2013, that they get fewer votes than 2011.
chbpod

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Nov 28, 2012
 
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Wonderful! DA is looking more and more foolish for saying this is a done deal. That will come back to haunt him.
Do you happen to know how many signatures need to be had to force a vote?
Thanks for the info.
Google MGL Chapter 43-- once on that site-- look to sections 37-44--although I think sections 42 & 43 may be the most pertinant--note the language in section 42 "except a revenue loan order"---not sure if what DA is bringing to the Council will be a revenue loan order--- or just a vote for the Council to agree to the proposed plan ( and then find financing with in 120 days----so to nip it in the bud-- referendum probably should take place before the borrowing order---any way-- signatures needed are 12% of registered voters-- which is???? for example if there are 6000 registered voters 12% would be 720 signatures---of course you would need more to insure that there are 720 valid ones--if you think all of this is above my pay grade--you are probably correct-----right now-- there are questions that I would have if I were on the Council and I'm not sure that any or all have been asked or answered
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I wached last night's meeting. Ms. Breen was arrogant and overly sensitive to being corrected. To have the support of the local nay-sayers seems to be a needed boost to her ego, which she is not getting from any other source. Same with JBIII. Neither of them gives a hoot about anything other than their inflated egos. Both think they are smarter, better and more concerned than anyone else on the council. In reality, they are needy, narcissists who feel powerful only when putting others down. Sometimes, I actually feel sorry for them.
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Actually Breen and Barrett did a great job. This is far from a done deal. Very far from a done deal. Most likely will go to a vote, and we all know how that ended last time.
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RIGHT OFF wrote:
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Actually, Dick and all the other professionals in question handled themselves quite well.
It was Breen and that other guy who got foolishly testy. At one point the school rep asked Barrett, "So what's your point?". Meaning, what is the point to these questions. Barrettstarted to realize that there wasn't a smoking gun so he then resorted to his usual tactics, like, "when I was a school-teacher", and "my concern is the children", ya right John. You really cared about them while you were sitting in Nasiif's 1/2 the year.
Dick should've clarified that this is a done deal as far as the design of the school is concerned, and he apologized for that afterwards.
Dick was right. Most of those questions could've been answered at some of the other meetings, but those questioning councilors chose not to attend, and decided to grandstand again. and they came off looking badly-again.
To say that Dick got a little testy is inaccurate. He's been down this road with Barrett's BS before. This was nothing new to him.
Barrett and Breen lose more votes everytime they pull these stunts.
Breen should feel good. She got a ringing endorsement from Trottier and Cardimino.
My bet, if they run in 2013, that they get fewer votes than 2011.
Well you could put me in the category of Breen and JBIII and anyone else who asked questions-- sure they could have gone to those meetings but last night for the very first time the issue was in their court- their turf--and for Alcombright to state that it was a done deal was arrogant and condescending---and DA has always been TESTY with JBIII- so don't try to smooth this one over---try pulling your head out of DA's butt and smell the roses-- you have the same arrogant attitude that the Mayor has now developed--the same attitude that JBIII had and which all you changelings hated so much-----power corrupts and absolute power xorrupts absolutely (Lord Acton)--if you can't blame it on Bush- blame it on Barrett---I for one- would NOT vote to approve this project--it's not about the children- it's about 80% money---and an edifice that DA can claim is his---just like Barrett and MoCA
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Right on Clark!

Plus I think Barrett saved his questions for the end because council meetings are televised and watched and people pay more attention.

I would be a lot of money cardimino is gathering signatures now, so even if they get 6 votes, this will probably require a vote by the public.

I would think JB3, Breen would vote against. Probably Harpin (because after all we need to protect the old people who cant pay their taxes). The 5 bobbleheads (Marden, whose wife is a teacher, Bond, Bona, Bloom and Bullett) will do whatever DA wants. Fat Lisa is the swing vote.

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chbpod wrote:
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Well you could put me in the category of Breen and JBIII and anyone else who asked questions-- sure they could have gone to those meetings but last night for the very first time the issue was in their court- their turf--and for Alcombright to state that it was a done deal was arrogant and condescending---and DA has always been TESTY with JBIII- so don't try to smooth this one over---try pulling your head out of DA's butt and smell the roses-- you have the same arrogant attitude that the Mayor has now developed--the same attitude that JBIII had and which all you changelings hated so much-----power corrupts and absolute power xorrupts absolutely (Lord Acton)--if you can't blame it on Bush- blame it on Barrett---I for one- would NOT vote to approve this project--it's not about the children- it's about 80% money---and an edifice that DA can claim is his---just like Barrett and MoCA
I'm with Clark, in so far as refurbishing this school is folly. The City should use the money to build a new school, at a new site. Trying to recapture the glory days at moribund building is exactly the kind of thinking that North Adams does not need.
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Well you could put me in the category of Breen and JBIII and anyone else who asked questions-- sure they could have gone to those meetings but last night for the very first time the issue was in their court- their turf--and for Alcombright to state that it was a done deal was arrogant and condescending---and DA has always been TESTY with JBIII- so don't try to smooth this one over---try pulling your head out of DA's butt and smell the roses-- you have the same arrogant attitude that the Mayor has now developed--the same attitude that JBIII had and which all you changelings hated so much-----power corrupts and absolute power xorrupts absolutely (Lord Acton)--if you can't blame it on Bush- blame it on Barrett---I for one- would NOT vote to approve this project--it's not about the children- it's about 80% money---and an edifice that DA can claim is his---just like Barrett and MoCA
just a few facts for you Clark. Alcombright wanted what was known as the 'two school option', renovation and addition at Greylock, and renovation of Sullivan, and said so publically on many occasions. The school building committee quickly 'shot' that option down, and eventually settled on the renovation of Conte. Alcombright had also said publically that he would support whatever the school building committee wanted, so was 'stuck' with what they came up with. Every councilor, in my opinion, should have taken the time to attend a few meetings of the school building committee, to see what went into the process. And as for Barrett and MassMoca, that wasn't the idea of the former mayor, it was the idea of Thomas Krens...and as you have stated on this website more than a few times, that the city council and state
rep(s), never got the credit they deserved for the instituion of the museum.
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Praxis, welcome to the club. So does this mean you will vote (and I truly do think it will come to a special vote) against the Conte funding?
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Barrett and Breen would not attend dozens of public meetings about the school design and building consideration. Barrett started the process of getting a new school before he was kicked out of office. Now he doesn't want one since he isnt mayor. They had no respect for the building inspector, school committee members, teachers, principals, students, and other public members who spent two years attending those meetings. Breen doesn't care what those people did because they aren't elected. She is appointed to the housing authority. Does that mean she is useless there?

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Praxis, welcome to the club. So does this mean you will vote (and I truly do think it will come to a special vote) against the Conte funding?
If I could vote in NA, I certainly would.
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george wrote:
Barrett and Breen would not attend dozens of public meetings about the school design and building consideration. Barrett started the process of getting a new school before he was kicked out of office. Now he doesn't want one since he isnt mayor. They had no respect for the building inspector, school committee members, teachers, principals, students, and other public members who spent two years attending those meetings. Breen doesn't care what those people did because they aren't elected. She is appointed to the housing authority. Does that mean she is useless there?
she was also appointed as the chairperson of the city's neighborhood watch group, then let the group fall apart because she waouldn't call meetings
chbpod

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Bender can gather all the signatures he wants- the mean nothing until there is a formal vote to which he can address the question--what a maroon-----
yeah I know DA preferred the two school option--why not spend spend spend?---OK here's my objection-------
simply put-- a new school or a renovated one might ne NICE-- but not necessary--however a renovated or a new public safety faility -even if only a police station IS a NECESSITY--and where the hell is that 10-20 million coming from----no one on the City Council should vote in favor of the school project until ALL the financial facts are on the table
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chbpod wrote:
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Well you could put me in the category of Breen and JBIII and anyone else who asked questions-- sure they could have gone to those meetings but last night for the very first time the issue was in their court- their turf--and for Alcombright to state that it was a done deal was arrogant and condescending---and DA has always been TESTY with JBIII- so don't try to smooth this one over---try pulling your head out of DA's butt and smell the roses-- you have the same arrogant attitude that the Mayor has now developed--the same attitude that JBIII had and which all you changelings hated so much-----power corrupts and absolute power xorrupts absolutely (Lord Acton)--if you can't blame it on Bush- blame it on Barrett---I for one- would NOT vote to approve this project--it's not about the children- it's about 80% money---and an edifice that DA can claim is his---just like Barrett and MoCA
Clark you ignorant slut. For someone who didn't even see the meeting, you're certainly an authority on what went on there. But then again you ALWAYS thought that you were smarter than everyone else.
Again, if you had seen the meeting, then you would've heard DA apologize for not clarifying that the scholl design was final. He reiterated a few times during his sincere apology that point.
Seeing as you haven't seen any meetings since DA became Mayor, then how do you know that he's testy with Barrett?
Those two clowns,(Barrett and Breen) are all apple pie when the camera is rolling, but they can't bother to go to any meetings where they might learn something and contribute.
Didn't your pal Barrett take his ball and go home when he didn't get appointed to the finance committee?
It's been said before. The only difference between Bender and Barrett is a sheepskin. Otherwise they are both obnoxious individuals. They always have been.
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Clark you ignorant slut. For someone who didn't even see the meeting, you're certainly an authority on what went on there. But then again you ALWAYS thought that you were smarter than everyone else.
Again, if you had seen the meeting, then you would've heard DA apologize for not clarifying that the scholl design was final. He reiterated a few times during his sincere apology that point.
Seeing as you haven't seen any meetings since DA became Mayor, then how do you know that he's testy with Barrett?
Those two clowns,(Barrett and Breen) are all apple pie when the camera is rolling, but they can't bother to go to any meetings where they might learn something and contribute.
Didn't your pal Barrett take his ball and go home when he didn't get appointed to the finance committee?
It's been said before. The only difference between Bender and Barrett is a sheepskin. Otherwise they are both obnoxious individuals. They always have been.
I would love to tell you to stick up your butt---but sinse it's apparent you are not endowed with anything to stick with----look you idiot - DA is just like you-- an idiot---he needs help tying his shoes--and for all of his banking experience he is a terrible money manager--just like that other liberal jerk Obama---don't manage your finances - just tax and spend--but he has a nice handclasp and smile----with a box or rocks between his ears---

as for Councilors not attending the love ins?? I wouldn't rub shoulders with that crowd---too many tongues out trying to kiss DA;s butt-------I would want to ask questions on my turf on my time---and not be shut off by some patsy-- if you want to argue that Bloom is a patsy go ahead-- but he doesn;t have the balls to shut me off--this whole thing stinks and I doubt would ever be approved by a referendum----too many reasons that it is negative--and NO ONE has opened up the financial can of works that I have---some one will decide to fo fishing--it would be irresponsible to approve this boondoggle
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OH and PS "Shut Up Already" I AM smarter than everyone else

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