chbpod

East Greenwich, RI

#271 Mar 2, 2013
Switch wrote:
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the high school kids could still use the fields & locker rooms. it seems possible and it would satisfy the parents that do not want their little ones in the center of the city. it was just an idea. i haven't seen anyone else that opposes conte coming up with anything.
That idea is probably theoretically doable--BUT it isn't doable form a practical standpoint because unless the current Conte plan is approved- NA will get no state money for maybe ten years--in the meantime you still have Conte and Sullivan both of which need significant work--and will be paid for by the taxpayers--especially if under court order from the DOJ----and yes overrides would be sought and defeated--city winds up in receivership and your taxes will increase-- no referendum on a Receiver's dictate-----city is totally screwed
Timing

United States

#272 Mar 2, 2013
Personally I lean toward Conte
Question does anyone know the timetable for this?

- When would Conte be 100 percent ready
- What would happen to Sullivan? Tear it down or can it be sold?

Thanks
Robert Moses

Pittsfield, MA

#273 Mar 2, 2013
chbpod wrote:
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That idea is probably theoretically doable--BUT it isn't doable form a practical standpoint because unless the current Conte plan is approved- NA will get no state money for maybe ten years--in the meantime you still have Conte and Sullivan both of which need significant work--and will be paid for by the taxpayers--especially if under court order from the DOJ----and yes overrides would be sought and defeated--city winds up in receivership and your taxes will increase-- no referendum on a Receiver's dictate-----city is totally screwed
don't forget the needed repairs at Greylock. I have talked to a few people since the petition started, and they were told that the 23 million from the state can be used at any school in town. I asked where they got that idea...three guesses who told them...cardimino
chbpod

East Greenwich, RI

#274 Mar 2, 2013
Robert Moses wrote:
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don't forget the needed repairs at Greylock. I have talked to a few people since the petition started, and they were told that the 23 million from the state can be used at any school in town. I asked where they got that idea...three guesses who told them...cardimino
Thanks RM-- I forgot Greylock--and this is a site or building specific project---the money can only be used for Conte----of course anyone that would believe Cardimino should be banned from voting on anything-----or committed to Greylock Pavillion
not true

North Adams, MA

#275 Mar 2, 2013
Robert Moses wrote:
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don't forget the needed repairs at Greylock. I have talked to a few people since the petition started, and they were told that the 23 million from the state can be used at any school in town. I asked where they got that idea...three guesses who told them...cardimino
I'm fed up with your assumptions of who said what. Spend all your time trying to discredit the petetion but the fact it was signed by a lot of people who are fed up. Alcombright and his band have tried for over two years to shove this project down the throats of the people of North Adams. He and the Council did the same thing with the override. This project hasn't been popular from day one yet he continued to push for it. Also not helping is the fact that the school system is in turmoil and they have test scores among the lowest in the State. As with the override Alcombright is arrogant and he is going to tell the people what is best for them. The voters will Support spending on education but not for a plan they simply don't want no matter who is paying for it.

Since: Aug 12

Dracut, MA

#276 Mar 2, 2013
not true wrote:
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I'm fed up with your assumptions of who said what. Spend all your time trying to discredit the petetion but the fact it was signed by a lot of people who are fed up. Alcombright and his band have tried for over two years to shove this project down the throats of the people of North Adams. He and the Council did the same thing with the override. This project hasn't been popular from day one yet he continued to push for it. Also not helping is the fact that the school system is in turmoil and they have test scores among the lowest in the State. As with the override Alcombright is arrogant and he is going to tell the people what is best for them. The voters will Support spending on education but not for a plan they simply don't want no matter who is paying for it.
So. If you needed repairs to your home that would cost you, out of pocket, 20 Grand and you were given a one time gift of 80% of the cost, would you refuse ?
North Adams Parent

North Adams, MA

#277 Mar 3, 2013
sher01247 wrote:
<quoted text>So. If you needed repairs to your home that would cost you, out of pocket, 20 Grand and you were given a one time gift of 80% of the cost, would you refuse ?
The Mayor made the mistake of going against what the people wanted. He can claim vetting and meetings all he wants but the fact is the people don't want the little children downtown for school.( no play space, bad traffic, its in the heart of the drug district etc...) I attended all of the meetings and at every one the public strongly opposed this. The Mayor turned a blind eye and a deaf ear to the public. There were better options but they turned a blind eye to those as well. now it has come down to " would you turn down the free money?" Yes and it will be the mayor's and his hand picked committees fault for not listening to the people. either way this vote goes it will be the mayors fault that the children suffer. If it goes through the children will be stuck in cages downtown. If it fails they may have to get to the back of the line for the money to do the right project. The government is supposed to be the voice of the people. In this case it wasn't, and thankfully there is recourse for the people. Next he'll probably try to get that out of the charter.
out of time

Williamstown, MA

#278 Mar 3, 2013
I do suport this project but think the Mayor is just doing a terriable job in the last 3 yrs. The consent raising of taxes (really to just give the unions raises) have left a real sour taste in the mouths of the majority of voters.I dont think too many people other then the council bobbleheads trust him anymore.
yes

North Adams, MA

#279 Mar 3, 2013
sher01247 wrote:
<quoted text>So. If you needed repairs to your home that would cost you, out of pocket, 20 Grand and you were given a one time gift of 80% of the cost, would you refuse ?
Yes I would if it was not going to solve the problem and lead to bigger and more costly problems down the road. Your rationale is just plain wrong!
Foolish

West Roxbury, MA

#280 Mar 3, 2013
North Adams Parent wrote:
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The Mayor made the mistake of going against what the people wanted. He can claim vetting and meetings all he wants but the fact is the people don't want the little children downtown for school.( no play space, bad traffic, its in the heart of the drug district etc...) I attended all of the meetings and at every one the public strongly opposed this. The Mayor turned a blind eye and a deaf ear to the public. There were better options but they turned a blind eye to those as well. now it has come down to " would you turn down the free money?" Yes and it will be the mayor's and his hand picked committees fault for not listening to the people. either way this vote goes it will be the mayors fault that the children suffer. If it goes through the children will be stuck in cages downtown. If it fails they may have to get to the back of the line for the money to do the right project. The government is supposed to be the voice of the people. In this case it wasn't, and thankfully there is recourse for the people. Next he'll probably try to get that out of the charter.
John, stop repeating yourself. Have you even looked at the plans, you fool? Obviously not.
chbpod

East Greenwich, RI

#281 Mar 5, 2013
I want to thank everyone who posted on this thread that I started--it got a little contentious at times- but valid points were made in a generally civil manner--we survived with out trolls and interlopers - and hi-jackers----270-280 poats---pretty darn good- thank you

Since: Aug 12

Coeymans Hollow, NY

#282 Mar 5, 2013
chbpod wrote:
I want to thank everyone who posted on this thread that I started--it got a little contentious at times- but valid points were made in a generally civil
manner--we survived with out trolls and interlopers - and hi-jackers----270-280 poats---pretty darn good- thank you
I, too, am thankful that people were civil and respectful.
Great thread, Clark!
chbpod

East Greenwich, RI

#283 Mar 5, 2013
sher01247 wrote:
<quoted text>I, too, am thankful that people were civil and respectful.
Great thread, Clark!
Thanks Sher---nice to know it can be done--maybe we can lucky again sometime
No Progress

Anonymous Proxy

#284 Mar 5, 2013
sher01247 wrote:
<quoted text>I, too, am thankful that people were civil and respectful.
Great thread, Clark!
People are tired of North Adams going nowhere fast. It is a collection of bitter retirees, welfare cheats, lousy schools, poor jobs, deteriorating housing stock, cheap retail establishments, too many autobody shops, an eyesore of a junk yard, and a pretentious museum. The kids that go the MCLA do so because they bombed their SATs and could never get into Williams.

It is an ugly city, run by saps and hacks pining for the good old days that never existed.

Good christ, it can't even build a new school for its kids without that becoming a ridiculous political sideshow.

No one in the state takes North Adams seriously. You are a laughing stock.
Dark Fudge

North Adams, MA

#285 Mar 5, 2013
No Progress wrote:
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People are tired of North Adams going nowhere fast. It is a collection of bitter retirees, welfare cheats, lousy schools, poor jobs, deteriorating housing stock, cheap retail establishments, too many autobody shops, an eyesore of a junk yard, and a pretentious museum. The kids that go the MCLA do so because they bombed their SATs and could never get into Williams.
It is an ugly city, run by saps and hacks pining for the good old days that never existed.
Good christ, it can't even build a new school for its kids without that becoming a ridiculous political sideshow.
No one in the state takes North Adams seriously. You are a laughing stock.
I don't like your pizz poor attitude! Your part of the problem. The no can do people are holding back the city.
No Progress

Anonymous Proxy

#286 Mar 5, 2013
Dark Fudge wrote:
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I don't like your pizz poor attitude! Your part of the problem. The no can do people are holding back the city.
No; you simply won't acknowledge how bad the problem is. You Pollyanna types are the worst.

Look at these MCAS scores from last year: less that 50% of the students are merely proficient in english and math.

http://www.boston.com/news/special/education/...

Why on earth would anyone put their children into a school system that has scores lower than Lawrence, MA? In fact, for all grades combined, just 25% of the students are proficient in MA. You've got to be kidding.

None of you rah-rah yahoos have the slightest idea about what's happening in your City. You're excited about a bigger Walmart for Christ's sake.
OMG

Williamstown, MA

#287 Mar 5, 2013
Look, idiot. 14% were scored advanced in addition to the 25% proficient. So 14 plus 25 = 39%. Not a great number, but it's 39% proficient or above. And you're criticizing Math scores?? You're not too "proficient" either, are you? And the real MCAS numbers that count are the 10th grade scores - 68%, proficient or above. These are better numbers than the past, and they're making real progress. Idiot naysayers like you are not what North Adams or any city or town needs - so go bother someone else.
No Progress wrote:
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No; you simply won't acknowledge how bad the problem is. You Pollyanna types are the worst.
Look at these MCAS scores from last year: less that 50% of the students are merely proficient in english and math.
http://www.boston.com/news/special/education/...
Why on earth would anyone put their children into a school system that has scores lower than Lawrence, MA? In fact, for all grades combined, just 25% of the students are proficient in MA. You've got to be kidding.
None of you rah-rah yahoos have the slightest idea about what's happening in your City. You're excited about a bigger Walmart for Christ's sake.
No Progress

Anonymous Proxy

#288 Mar 5, 2013
OMG wrote:
Look, idiot. 14% were scored advanced in addition to the 25% proficient. So 14 plus 25 = 39%. Not a great number, but it's 39% proficient or above. And you're criticizing Math scores?? You're not too "proficient" either, are you? And the real MCAS numbers that count are the 10th grade scores - 68%, proficient or above. These are better numbers than the past, and they're making real progress. Idiot naysayers like you are not what North Adams or any city or town needs - so go bother someone else.
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Guess what, genius, 39% is still an F no matter how you slice it. 68% proficieny! That's a D+! Well, that's something to write home about, if these kids can even write well enough to begin with. You don't get a gold star just because you learned to wipe your ass.

And, if you look at the elementary school scores, there is only one word to describe them: abominable.

You have a population of students who cannot learn; nearly 75% of these students receive free lunch. Their home environments are deplorable; their nutrition lacking, and their time horizon doesn't go beyond next week.

None of the politicians, the teachers, or the press tell the truth about how dire this situation is. When you catch people in a private moment, however, the will tell you precisely what I'm saying.

You want to help these kids? Get their idiot parents to fix their lives.

And, the scores for the kids at Sullivan School are terrible. Putting them in Conte is going to do nothing put perpetuate an intractable problem.
No Progress

Anonymous Proxy

#289 Mar 5, 2013
Nothing but perpetuate a problem. Unlike the typical North Adams student, I can recognize a typo.
OMG

Williamstown, MA

#290 Mar 5, 2013
Those numbers are percentages of student population, idiot - not grades. And 75% of students do not receive free lunch - your number is inflated as is your perceived knowledge of facts about our schools. We have not given up, as you have, on the kids you say "cannot learn". They have at-home challenges that translate into the schools, but we don't give up on them. You on the other hand, I do give up on. Like I said, just go away and bother someone else.
No Progress wrote:
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Guess what, genius, 39% is still an F no matter how you slice it. 68% proficieny! That's a D+! Well, that's something to write home about, if these kids can even write well enough to begin with. You don't get a gold star just because you learned to wipe your ass.
And, if you look at the elementary school scores, there is only one word to describe them: abominable.
You have a population of students who cannot learn; nearly 75% of these students receive free lunch. Their home environments are deplorable; their nutrition lacking, and their time horizon doesn't go beyond next week.
None of the politicians, the teachers, or the press tell the truth about how dire this situation is. When you catch people in a private moment, however, the will tell you precisely what I'm saying.
You want to help these kids? Get their idiot parents to fix their lives.
And, the scores for the kids at Sullivan School are terrible. Putting them in Conte is going to do nothing put perpetuate an intractable problem.

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