homeschool

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PCCHS wrote:

All the home schooled kids I know are strange. The ones from that Christian school in Wabbaco are weird too. I don't think social interaction is more important than an education, but kids want to have friends. It has to be lonely. Any parent that says, I'll be my child's best friend is a control freak. Kids need peers their own age, not mommy and daddy, to help them learn how to act in society. Any parent that wants to teach their child from home should have to pass a GED test.

Those types of parents are probably in their late 40's, early 50's, or more, seeking to be daddy figures boasting of their emotional power they have on little children, I'm guessing.

[karmamylove]

Largelanguage wrote:

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Yes, at grade level, he wasn't homeschooled all the time. And just because children are grade A doesn't mean they fit in socially at all. Plenty of narcissistic mothers force their children to work hard even when they are tired in order to make their children get grade A so they don't look bad.

Yes he was homeschooled ALL THE TIME & he is an A student at school & votech. I have never pushed my children to be A students....it comes naturally to them. Thank God. As for "fitting in socially" my children are & have been socialized & are both popular students with manners & respect for others.

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karmamylove wrote:

<quoted text>Yes he was homeschooled ALL THE TIME & he is an A student at school & votech. I have never pushed my children to be A students....it comes naturally to them. Thank God. As for "fitting in socially" my children are & have been socialized & are both popular students with manners & respect for others.

It comes naturally does it? Why is that? Do you babysit them? Make things easy for them? Take away all stress from them eh? ANd how would you know how well they socialize, do you actually see whats going on?

[karmamylove]

Largelanguage wrote:

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It comes naturally does it? Why is that? Do you babysit them? Make things easy for them? Take away all stress from them eh? ANd how would you know how well they socialize, do you actually see whats going on?

No they do/did their own work thru the work books we purchased & the trips taken to different states to learn the ways of life & customs of other ppl & places. They have many friends who they visit & that come to our home to visit. They have girlfriends, good grades & are socially acceptable in any given situation. Yes I probably did remove stress from them by homeschooling but I also have well-adjusted & good decent children to send out in the world one day. That's more than some ppl can say don't you think?

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karmamylove wrote:

<quoted text>No they do/did their own work thru the work books we purchased & the trips taken to different states to learn the ways of life & customs of other ppl & places. They have many friends who they visit & that come to our home to visit. They have girlfriends, good grades & are socially acceptable in any given situation. Yes I probably did remove stress from them by homeschooling but I also have well-adjusted & good decent children to send out in the world one day. That's more than some ppl can say don't you think?

Maybe, I might have accused you a bit too much, but how available are the books? What stress do they receive? How much? And just because they have a girlfriend that doesn't necessarily mean they fit in well. Besides, do they have any traits you would call "special"? Most kids with these "special" traits tend to be the weird kids really.

[Only SEEM So 2 YOU]

PCCHS wrote:

All the home schooled kids I know are strange. The ones from that Christian school in Wabbaco are weird too....

That's where the naysayers are basing everything on ASSUMPTIONS.

People who home school are not stupid. They know kids need to be around other kids, that is obvious. That's why (except for a few EXCEPTIONS HERE AND THERE)...parents who home school stay in contact with other families who home school themselves and arrange regular times the kids get together.

This "socialization" criticism is just a Red Herring or Straw Man that those who don't want to make the sacrifice to home school their kids throw out there. It let's them JUSTIFY IN THEIR OWN MINDS the HARM they allowing to happen to their children by sending them into today's EXTREMELY POOR QUALITY GOVT Schools.

And, if a home school child seems "weird" to you, a GOVT school kid,...well that's Actually the qualities of Respect, Decency, Politeness, Manners, and the ability to Think Clearly.

It just seems weird because it is so different from the trashy thinking and behavior that is allowed, unchecked (and often even encouraged), in today's GOVT schools.

[Largelanguage]

Only SEEM So 2 YOU wrote:

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That's where the naysayers are basing everything on ASSUMPTIONS.
People who home school are not stupid. They know kids need to be around other kids, that is obvious. That's why (except for a few EXCEPTIONS HERE AND THERE)...parents who home school stay in contact with other families who home school themselves and arrange regular times the kids get together.
This "socialization" criticism is just a Red Herring or Straw Man that those who don't want to make the sacrifice to home school their kids throw out there. It let's them JUSTIFY IN THEIR OWN MINDS the HARM they allowing to happen to their children by sending them into today's EXTREMELY POOR QUALITY GOVT Schools.
And, if a home school child seems "weird" to you, a GOVT school kid,...well that's Actually the qualities of Respect, Decency, Politeness, Manners, and the ability to Think Clearly.
It just seems weird because it is so different from the trashy thinking and behavior that is allowed, unchecked (and often even encouraged), in today's GOVT schools.

There is a clear difference between the socialization of homeschooled kids and kids in schools. Homeschooled kids MISS OUT on dealing with different types of kids with different personalities, and end up sheltered and naive, and lacking behind in adequate behavior required to function. And "weird"? What about strange clingy kids? Ones that say weird things, that reek with emotional suppression? Most kids who act lively "in a weird sort of way" tend to be emotionally suppressed, and a mess in adult life, incapable of any love.

[karmamylove]

Largelanguage wrote:

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Maybe, I might have accused you a bit too much, but how available are the books? What stress do they receive? How much? And just because they have a girlfriend that doesn't necessarily mean they fit in well. Besides, do they have any traits you would call "special"? Most kids with these "special" traits tend to be the weird kids really.

The books are readily available at bookstores in larger cities. I found the books in Indianapolis. My oldest son has Asbergers, another form of autism. He excells in science & history & although doesn't care for large crowds does exceptionally well in social settings. My other son was taking engines apart & putting them back together at 3. I know you won't believe that but I wouldn't open myself up to ridicule with a lie like that. Its true. He amazed us & others with his ability & knowledge at such a young age. The boy can fix anything from vacuum cleaners to weed eaters to small engines & hes 16. I would say the traits they have don't make them weird but unique. Both of our boys are well-behaved, respectful, well-adjusted, & have manners. They get along well with others & have many friends their ages & plenty of socializing. We are very proud of our boys & strive to help them become the best they can be.:0)

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karmamylove wrote:

<quoted text>The books are readily available at bookstores in larger cities. I found the books in Indianapolis. My oldest son has Asbergers, another form of autism. He excells in science & history & although doesn't care for large crowds does exceptionally well in social settings. My other son was taking engines apart & putting them back together at 3. I know you won't believe that but I wouldn't open myself up to ridicule with a lie like that. Its true. He amazed us & others with his ability & knowledge at such a young age. The boy can fix anything from vacuum cleaners to weed eaters to small engines & hes 16. I would say the traits they have don't make them weird but unique. Both of our boys are well-behaved, respectful, well-adjusted, & have manners. They get along well with others & have many friends their ages & plenty of socializing. We are very proud of our boys & strive to help them become the best they can be.:0)

Right, I see. Normally I wouldn't believe such a tale, but perhaps I've got to agree with you as I half sympathise with the way no one would probably believe you despite the fact that it could be true. Anyway, are you absolutely sure he fits in socially? Why did you choose to homeschool?

[karmamylove]

Largelanguage wrote:

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Right, I see. Normally I wouldn't believe such a tale, but perhaps I've got to agree with you as I half sympathise with the way no one would probably believe you despite the fact that it could be true. Anyway, are you absolutely sure he fits in socially? Why did you choose to homeschool?

Oh yes they fit in perfectly with other kids...grrr typical teenage boys...lol. I homeschool because my son was molested by another student & when he went to the school counsler he was sent off to the sewell center & the boy who molested him was hurried away to another state. That's how the Perry Co school system treats victims of school bullies. Punish the victim & protect the perp. This is my youngest. My oldest was homeschooled 5 yrs & hes a senior this year thriving & doing well.

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karmamylove wrote:

<quoted text>Oh yes they fit in perfectly with other kids...grrr typical teenage boys...lol. I homeschool because my son was molested by another student & when he went to the school counsler he was sent off to the sewell center & the boy who molested him was hurried away to another state. That's how the Perry Co school system treats victims of school bullies. Punish the victim & protect the perp. This is my youngest. My oldest was homeschooled 5 yrs & hes a senior this year thriving & doing well.

But are you sure homeschooling was the answer? Why did you think it was best?

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karmamylove wrote:

<quoted text>Oh yes they fit in perfectly with other kids...grrr typical teenage boys...lol. I homeschool because my son was molested by another student & when he went to the school counsler he was sent off to the sewell center & the boy who molested him was hurried away to another state. That's how the Perry Co school system treats victims of school bullies. Punish the victim & protect the perp. This is my youngest. My oldest was homeschooled 5 yrs & hes a senior this year thriving & doing well.

I suppose you don't do too bad a job, you seem friendly enough anyway.

[PCCHS]

Only SEEM So 2 YOU wrote:

<quoted text>That's where the naysayers are basing everything on ASSUMPTIONS.

People who home school are not stupid. They know kids need to be around other kids, that is obvious. That's why (except for a few EXCEPTIONS HERE AND THERE)...parents who home school stay in contact with other families who home school themselves and arrange regular times the kids get together.

This "socialization" criticism is just a Red Herring or Straw Man that those who don't want to make the sacrifice to home school their kids throw out there. It let's them JUSTIFY IN THEIR OWN MINDS the HARM they allowing to happen to their children by sending them into today's EXTREMELY POOR QUALITY GOVT Schools.

And, if a home school child seems "weird" to you, a GOVT school kid,...well that's Actually the qualities of Respect, Decency, Politeness, Manners, and the ability to Think Clearly.

It just seems weird because it is so different from the trashy thinking and behavior that is allowed, unchecked (and often even encouraged), in today's GOVT schools.

They seem weird, because they are. They are sheltered, gullible, and have no idea how to act in public, much less how to hold down and maintain a job, much less a conversation. I find it very stupid that you claim anyone that doesn't make time to home school their children are harming them. I don't feel guilty about sending my kids to public schools. My husband and I both work full time so we can pay our bills and provide for our children. Ya know, like normal people do. You can go on and on about how great home schooling is but you are not gonna convince me it's good for kids. I have known way to many and they are the most socially awkward strange adults I know. I base my opinions on my experiences with adults that have been home schooled. And honestly, most admit that they hated being kept at home. One guy actually dropped out of collage because he couldn't handle talking to people all the time. You have obviously home schooled you kids. I hope for their sakes you are smarter than you make yourself look.

[PCCHS]

Only SEEM So 2 YOU wrote:

<quoted text>That's where the naysayers are basing everything on ASSUMPTIONS.

People who home school are not stupid. They know kids need to be around other kids, that is obvious. That's why (except for a few EXCEPTIONS HERE AND THERE)...parents who home school stay in contact with other families who home school themselves and arrange regular times the kids get together.

This "socialization" criticism is just a Red Herring or Straw Man that those who don't want to make the sacrifice to home school their kids throw out there. It let's them JUSTIFY IN THEIR OWN MINDS the HARM they allowing to happen to their children by sending them into today's EXTREMELY POOR QUALITY GOVT Schools.

And, if a home school child seems "weird" to you, a GOVT school kid,...well that's Actually the qualities of Respect, Decency, Politeness, Manners, and the ability to Think Clearly.

It just seems weird because it is so different from the trashy thinking and behavior that is allowed, unchecked (and often even encouraged), in today's GOVT schools.

And by the way, I am a proud government educated ADULT. But it's nice to know that's how you would talk to a kid.

[Only SEEM So 2 YOU]

Largelanguage wrote:

<quoted text>...incapable of any love.

LARGE, PCCHS.....So hostile, So Confident...So quick with your "proof"

"Methinks thou doth protest too much..."

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And You're right...why post info from some self-serving homeschooling source? That would be suspect, at best.

I'll take a chance with CBS, though. I mean, they're SO conservative and all. But hey, at least they're well know:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505145_162-372425...

---Here's one from a site that's simply about all types of Education (NOT one of those "weird-o home schooling sites")

http://www.brighthubeducation.com/homeschool-...

---Here's one (kinda conservative...some say)...but an Establish source nonetheless.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/dec/...

NOTE: ALL of these articles site RESEARCH RESULTS and provide the DETAILS of the methods. They are NOT based on anecdotes, opinions, or believe-me-I-know "evidence."

One of my favorite lines:
"...there were no cases of government support as the primary source of income for home-schoolers." (just sayin)

Thanks for the all the feedback (yeah, that was nice).

Oh, and PCCHS...hold on too your wisdom for about 20 years, then check back.

[PCCHS]

Only SEEM So 2 YOU wrote:

<quoted text>LARGE, PCCHS.....So hostile, So Confident...So quick with your "proof"

"Methinks thou doth protest too much..."

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And You're right...why post info from some self-serving homeschooling source? That would be suspect, at best.

I'll take a chance with CBS, though. I mean, they're SO conservative and all. But hey, at least they're well know:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505145_162-372425...

---Here's one from a site that's simply about all types of Education (NOT one of those "weird-o home schooling sites")

http://www.brighthubeducation.com/homeschool-...

---Here's one (kinda conservative...some say)...but an Establish source nonetheless.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/dec/...

NOTE: ALL of these articles site RESEARCH RESULTS and provide the DETAILS of the methods. They are NOT based on anecdotes, opinions, or believe-me-I-know "evidence."

One of my favorite lines:
"...there were no cases of government support as the primary source of income for home-schoolers." (just sayin)

Thanks for the all the feedback (yeah, that was nice).

Oh, and PCCHS...hold on too your wisdom for about 20 years, then check back.

Listen, nut job. I gave my opinion. I know a lot of home schooled kids. They are weird. End of story. Get all upset, but not everyone is gonna agree with you. It's called a difference of opinions, and here in the real world, people have them all the time. I cannot pay my bills or provide for my children if I don't work. My husband also works full time for the same reason. Neither of us can stay home to teach our children. If you think that makes me a bad person, ok. Like I said, difference of opinions. And by the way, I offered no "proof" I only told you of my friendships and conversations with people I know have been home schooled. Did that offend you that they regretted their parents choice for them? I think you may be the one protesting to much. So continue on with your next post about how home schooled kids are so much better, and working parents don't care about their kids blah blah blah. End of the day, I do what's best for mine, you do what's best for yours. Although, if ya home schooling, they will be weird. LOL!

[PCCHS]

Only SEEM So 2 YOU wrote:

<quoted text>LARGE, PCCHS.....So hostile, So Confident...So quick with your "proof"

"Methinks thou doth protest too much..."

----------

And You're right...why post info from some self-serving homeschooling source? That would be suspect, at best.

I'll take a chance with CBS, though. I mean, they're SO conservative and all. But hey, at least they're well know:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505145_162-372425...

---Here's one from a site that's simply about all types of Education (NOT one of those "weird-o home schooling sites")

http://www.brighthubeducation.com/homeschool-...

---Here's one (kinda conservative...some say)...but an Establish source nonetheless.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/dec/...

NOTE: ALL of these articles site RESEARCH RESULTS and provide the DETAILS of the methods. They are NOT based on anecdotes, opinions, or believe-me-I-know "evidence."

One of my favorite lines:
"...there were no cases of government support as the primary source of income for home-schoolers." (just sayin)

Thanks for the all the feedback (yeah, that was nice).

Oh, and PCCHS...hold on too your wisdom for about 20 years, then check back.

BTW, check your grammar usage. It's really annoying. That good old home schooling for ya! I bet you can't even find the mistakes in your post!!

[karmamylove]

We chose homeschool for many reasons but mainly the flexibility & type of instruction we give. We teach self-disipline, math, history, home economics, we take trips to see & learn about our government & other ways of life, we even provide musical instruction with guitar lessons. As for ppl judging homeschool kids weird, well mine aren't & I bet you wouldn't know them from public schooled kids. They "fit in" with their peers & can carry on intelligent conversations with any educated adult. They aren't sheltered, or gullible & know how to act like responsible young adults in public. Home school works for us, maybe not for everyone but for us it does.:0)

[same]

PCCHS wrote:

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They seem weird, because they are. They are sheltered, gullible, and have no idea how to act in public, much less how to hold down and maintain a job, much less a conversation. I find it very stupid that you claim anyone that doesn't make time to home school their children are harming them. I don't feel guilty about sending my kids to public schools. My husband and I both work full time so we can pay our bills and provide for our children. Ya know, like normal people do. You can go on and on about how great home schooling is but you are not gonna convince me it's good for kids. I have known way to many and they are the most socially awkward strange adults I know. I base my opinions on my experiences with adults that have been home schooled. And honestly, most admit that they hated being kept at home. One guy actually dropped out of collage because he couldn't handle talking to people all the time. You have obviously home schooled you kids. I hope for their sakes you are smarter than you make yourself look.

Same can be said about some public and private educated kids. You have your good and your bad in every educational setting. I have a great niece that was homeschooled in Michigan and she is great. She is a senior at Warren Wilson COllege. This is a very expensive college. Here parents always made sure her and her brother had social activities with other kids. Not just other homeschooled kids, but kids in general. Her brother decided he wanted to attend public school in high school because he wanted to participate in track and field. So this shows you the good. yes, there are some that just can't cope once they are on thier own. I have seen this with kids in the private and public educated kids.

[I know]

If I could I would homeschool.