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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 141187 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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curious

Ocoee, FL

#102729 May 7, 2013
Apple At Cha wrote:
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Amen!
And one doesn't need religion to teach one right from wrong. If one doesn't know right from wrong, one lacks empathy - not religion.
And if one needs offer of a celestial prize in order to be good, they are selfish and will never truly be selfless.
If they need threat of eternal damnation, they are just as self-serving - as their "good acts" are only to keep their tail from the fire and not out of a true spirit of empathy.
1) And one doesn't need religion to teach one right from wrong. If one doesn't know right from wrong, one lacks empathy - not religion.

I believe you are missing the mark,it is not a question of knowing right from wrong.
The question is,when we are about to commit a wrongful act, and, we know it is wrong,why do we go ahead and commit it anyway?
When we steal,we know it is wrong,yet we do it anyway
When we lie,we know it is wrong,we do it anyway
And the list goes on....
That is because our human nature is flawed. So we know right from wrong,but,are unable to do that which is right.
If we were able ,on our own,to correct the many flaws we have,we would do so.

2) And if one needs offer of a celestial prize in order to be good, they are selfish and will never truly be selfless.

Your allegation is false,based on your misunderstanding of Scripture. You do not attain heaven by being good....If you have read there bible,then you would know that what you are alleging is false.
Most assuredly it is not based on the Teachings Of Christ,which is what we base our beliefs on.

If they need threat of eternal damnation, they are just as self-serving - as their "good acts" are only to keep their tail from the fire and not out of a true spirit of empathy

All that you have stated,is based on your opinion,which is based on your misinterpretation of that which is written is the Scriptures.
Therefore,since the foundation of your conclusions is false,that same can be said of your conclusions
harpocrates

Williamsburg, KY

#102730 May 7, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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About 13.77 billion years before God/Jehovah/Yahweh/Yhwh/Allah/ Vishnu/Mbombo/Elohim/et al. were invented. By non-theistic events.
space/time continuum didn't begin. doesn't have an end.

einstein told you this.

I AM borg

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#102731 May 7, 2013
curious wrote:
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My God has already revealed himself to me,by my following his instructions and has proven to me that I can believe in him and trust him,,,,,Whw would I waste my time searching for something I have already found?Seems to me, that would be illogical.
On the other hand,if I kept searching for somthing I thought I would not be able to find,in the hope that I would find it,that,to me,is not illogical,that is being persistent...
Be persistent in prayer SEEK and you will find....
How is your spiritual journey different than that of Cassius Clay's, Lew Alcindor's or Cat Stevens'? You have not yet found the "something" they did, so why have you stopped looking? Are you not as diligent and persistent as them?

Regarding a previous post, no one should reasonably strive for perfection or expect it - that is a path to madness. Instead, awareness and improvement are the watchwords.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#102732 May 7, 2013
do whut wrote:
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No I don't dispute gravity. I just do not believe that these planets orbit the sun by chance. As these clumps of matter join together, mix (or attract) with gases and particles around them, then one forms into a massive ball of intense fire, while the others have a semblance of this intense fire deep in its core, and they begin an orbit around the first one that "perfectly" remains a very consistent path for billions of years. And one has conditions that allow life forms to slowly develop and become intelligent (cognizant of its surroundings), and eventually evolve into the complexities of all the different life forms we see today.
I realize I am badly paraphrasing this, but I'm typing in a hurry and trying to catch up. But this seems extremely doubtful that these things could happen without divine guidance.
Funny the people who study this stuff (scientists) typically see no need of a god for gravity to coalesce objects together in such orbits.
The Milky Way galaxy has at least one hundred billion solar systems with planets orbiting suns. The universe has at least one hundred billion galaxies.
There needs to be no magic involved.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#102733 May 7, 2013
so dumb wrote:
<quoted text>cause it aint in there idiot!!!!!
It is not in the bible either.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#102734 May 7, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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Science and religion are both amoral. A bucket of water can be the source of safety, danger, levity or malice... it can as easily save someone's life or kill them. It isn't the thing that decides its usage.
I am not sure I understand the point you are trying to make.
ARe you saying that,how the bucket is used,is determined by who is using it and not by ythe bucket?
Or ,are you saying something else
I wanna make sure I understood you correctly?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#102735 May 7, 2013
curious wrote:
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My God has already revealed himself to me,by my following his instructions and has proven to me that I can believe in him and trust him,,,,,Whw would I waste my time searching for something I have already found?Seems to me, that would be illogical.
On the other hand,if I kept searching for somthing I thought I would not be able to find,in the hope that I would find it,that,to me,is not illogical,that is being persistent...
Be persistent in prayer SEEK and you will find....
I would think this answer could apply to any god or deity ever invented. This is why jews, hindu's and Muslims do not look for a Christ.

This is why it makes no sense to me that your Christ demands to be believed in. Thus I conclude your Christ is more likely a myth.

I cannot accept a Christ is that unreasonable.

I trust logic.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#102736 May 7, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Funny the people who study this stuff (scientists) typically see no need of a god for gravity to coalesce objects together in such orbits.
The Milky Way galaxy has at least one hundred billion solar systems with planets orbiting suns. The universe has at least one hundred billion galaxies.
There needs to be no magic involved.
I agree. No magic.
However this information just shows me how great our creator is. It does not prove to me that we do not need God.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#102737 May 7, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Great sarcastic answer with no value. Do you have a real answer that science with evidence has provided?
Sorry, I am beset by personal limitations.
I understand the emotional attraction and appeal of the "real answers" mystics have proposed over dozens of centuries, but I don't understand the equations that prove they are bogus. Call me silly, but I confess that I have more faith in the likes of Newton, Maxwell and Hubble than I can muster in God's anonymous biographers.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#102738 May 7, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Don't mix topics. God works through people quite a bit, but not everything. Creation for example, would not have happened through humans.
God does require faith. Consider the healings that Jesus performed. Like one of the blind men that He healed. He put clay on his eyes and told him to go wash. The guy would have had to have faith to go wash. If he would have thought Jesus was full of it and he didn't go wash, he would have remained blind.
Same with the leper he told to go wash. He thought it was too simple and almost didn't do it.
What did I mix up? The earth exists. I do not see the need for a god to create an earth. You claim he did yet have zero evidence of this fantastic claim.
So the Jesus expects blind faith? Well that has no logic. Can you show the logic, or is this just another time I must forgo logic to believe your tale?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#102739 May 7, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Your second paragraph makes the first invalid. You made my point for me as I said the exact same thing before.
Science lacks here and that is what I said. Science can't tell us what happens after death. It assumes nothing because the brain stops functioning. We believe the soul leaves the body (including all organs) and enters a spirit world until judgement day. Science lacks here. That doesn't mean I have disdain for all science.
Well it has no logic that thoughts are in these spirits because their is no brain.
Now if you can show a logical way thoughts could exist outside the brain, you might have an actual basis to demand belief.
But as always, religion demands blind faith because it cannot actually show anything concrete.
harpocrates

Williamsburg, KY

#102740 May 7, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text> Funny the people who study this stuff (scientists) typically see no need of a god for gravity to coalesce objects together in such orbits.
The Milky Way galaxy has at least one hundred billion solar systems with planets orbiting suns. The universe has at least one hundred billion galaxies.
There needs to be no magic involved.
strange but so many physicists seem to be drawn to buddhism and hinduism philosophy.

i never felt the music
like i felt it with you

http://www.quantrek.com/philosophy/philosophy...

but you ain't never played the bass

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#102741 May 7, 2013
curious wrote:
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Based on what I have observrd and read ,material things only lead to a temporary happiness,as the more they have ,the more they want,not happy with what they have,they want more
Why that happens,I am not sure.They may be looking to impress others with their material wealth,they may envy others who may posses better or bigger material things than the do"keeping up with the Joneses"
In many cases,in order to achieve their material goals,they recklessly permit their human nature to guide them.
They devise schemes,lie,cheat,connive and make unsound decisions
in order to achieve their goals.
One can read about that in the newspapers every day.
Those who looked for happiness by winning the lottery,suddenly find themselves in very unhappy situations.
Those who buy houses they can not afford,those who device schemes in order
to build on the fortunes they already posses"Bernie Madoff' is one of many examples and in the procecss they destroy their lives and that of many others.
My neighbor owns an HD.Recently their was a Motorcycle Show held in Daytona.
He went and bought another motorcycle in order to attend this show.
Paid over $30,000 for it...He was very happy with his purchase.
A week later, when he came back from the show,he was complaining.
He'd seen some other motorcycles at the show that were much more appealing to him
As he said,"Boy,am I sorry I didn't buy one of those instead....
So much for material happiness and the wreckage it often leaves behind
I really do not think atheists are materialistic anymore than the average Christian. Some are and some are not.
I do not need many material goods to be happy. I do like some and do need some, but feel I am below average on the material 'got to have it' mentality.
I have many things in life I live for other than material things but a god is just not one of them.

I have family, friends and society in general to live for and with. Life is so full of great things, I do not even do mind altering substances to enjoy them. Of course many Christians and atheists do.

You are simply assuming all non believers are the materialist and hedonistic heathens the preachers claim we are. This is nonsense.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#102742 May 7, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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Sorry, I am beset by personal limitations.
I understand the emotional attraction and appeal of the "real answers" mystics have proposed over dozens of centuries, but I don't understand the equations that prove they are bogus. Call me silly, but I confess that I have more faith in the likes of Newton, Maxwell and Hubble than I can muster in God's anonymous biographers.
But yet you can't say how it all got started without Him.
A Mom

United States

#102743 May 7, 2013
If they are going to teach kids about evolution they should also teach the Bible!
harpocrates

Williamsburg, KY

#102744 May 7, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Well it has no logic that thoughts are in these spirits because their is no brain.
Now if you can show a logical way thoughts could exist outside the brain, you might have an actual basis to demand belief.
But as always, religion demands blind faith because it cannot actually show anything concrete.
All things are animate and have at least some level of awareness and/or consciousness nothing is inanimate.

http://www.quantrek.com/philosophy/philosophy...

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#102745 May 7, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>What did I mix up? The earth exists. I do not see the need for a god to create an earth. You claim he did yet have zero evidence of this fantastic claim.
So the Jesus expects blind faith? Well that has no logic. Can you show the logic, or is this just another time I must forgo logic to believe your tale?
I have already answered in detail what the purpose of faith is, and why there is no proof of God. We all agree that you do not have it, and I do.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#102746 May 7, 2013
do whut wrote:
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I agree. No magic.
However this information just shows me how great our creator is. It does not prove to me that we do not need God.
And you have shown no need of a god. You have shown no god.
harpocrates

Williamsburg, KY

#102747 May 7, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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Sorry, I am beset by personal limitations.
I understand the emotional attraction and appeal of the "real answers" mystics have proposed over dozens of centuries, but I don't understand the equations that prove they are bogus. Call me silly, but I confess that I have more faith in the likes of Newton, Maxwell and Hubble than I can muster in God's anonymous biographers.
QH theory is a promising new start in this general direction. Its ramifications and implications are profound. For instance, because of the QH model, science can no longer ignore subjectivity, metaphysics, parapsychology, or issues previously relegated to religion or mysticism. Nor can science any longer ignore the presence or importance of consciousness or thought in its relationship to physical matter. It must consider the strong possibility that the natural and the supernatural are one and the same thing, which renders the dualistic worldview of Newton and Descartes completely obsolete.

http://www.quantrek.com/quantum_hologram/quan...
curious

Ocoee, FL

#102748 May 7, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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How is your spiritual journey different than that of Cassius Clay's, Lew Alcindor's or Cat Stevens'? You have not yet found the "something" they did, so why have you stopped looking? Are you not as diligent and persistent as them?
Regarding a previous post, no one should reasonably strive for perfection or expect it - that is a path to madness. Instead, awareness and improvement are the watchwords.
I do not know how my spiritual journey is different from that of Cassius Clay,Cat Stephens or Lew Alcindor.
I can not speak about their experiences,I can only speak about my personal experiences.
I stopped looking for an answer because I believe I found the answer,tested it,at no time has it failed me,
"If ye abide in me,and my words abide in you,ye shall ask what you will,and it will be done unto you

If you keep my commandments,you will abide in my love ,even as I have kept my fathers commandments and abide in his love.
Well,sometimes we might be aware of our faults,but unable or unwilling,to do anything about them....

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