Bible study rules for public schools proposed

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FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#98999 Apr 8, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Because YOU don't believe in God,then it is impossible for you to believe what God can accomplish.
Therefore when God says'If you diligently seek me,you will find me"
is nonsense to you.The problem is that because you don't believe,you are unwilling to put his word to the test,to determine it's validity.
I did not come to a Knowledge of God,simply by reading the bible,I came to a knowledge of God,by reading the Bible AND,most importantly,applying it's teachings,inorder to verify their validity. Thereby my belief and faith,
Faith and belief,is not something that can be transferred from one individual to another. I can only tell you as to how I came by my faith, God tells you how you may come to know him.
If you want to know about a God and think that you can devise a man made way in order to validate his existence,you will fail in your attempts.The natural is unable to explain that which is supernatural.
If one is unwilling to test the validity of God's word,then one is unqualified to pass judgement as to whether it is or isn't valid.
I base my beliefs and Faith on facts,tested them and found them to be true.
So,I do have a factual basis on which I base my conclusions,you,on the other hand,have not tested them,
So,on what basis,are you denying the basis for MY FAITH?
You said that you had facts, FACTS. But now your facts are faith? So basically you just say anything and it all comes back to
"I believe" just like little kids believe in Santa Claus he is real and who are you to question the children who have faith, right?
You have lied one time too many. You have zero credibility now.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#99001 Apr 8, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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http://www.mst.edu.au/course_outlines/Herod.j...
http://fontes.lstc.edu/~rklein/images/selfbar...
Next.....
But you of Course Miss the Point.... If in History we hear stories of a person and we look hard for any mention of them, any note of their existence During the Time Frame they are said to have lived we call it Myth... When we look for a couple of thousand year for evidence of someone and cannot find a mention from the time in question, cannot find a carving, pot, clay tablet, graffiti on a wall, mention is a letter home until 20 to 40 years After the time they are said to live we do not Just Believe the fellow was a tall white guy with a beard because someone 30 years later said so...
Reporting on Emperor Nero's decision to blame the Christians for the fire that had destroyed Rome in A.D. 64, the Roman historian Tacitus wrote:
Nero fastened the guilt ... on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of ... Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome....5
What all can we learn from this ancient (and rather unsympathetic) reference to Jesus and the early Christians? Notice, first, that Tacitus reports Christians derived their name from a historical person called Christus (from the Latin), or Christ. He is said to have "suffered the extreme penalty," obviously alluding to the Roman method of execution known as crucifixion. This is said to have occurred during the reign of Tiberius and by the sentence of Pontius Pilatus. This confirms much of what the Gospels tell us about the death of Jesus.

Cornelius Tacitus(AD55-120) Roman historian: Most acclaimed works are the Annals and theHistories. The Annals cover the period from Augustus Caesar's death in AD14 to the death of the Emperor Nero in AD68, while the Historiesbegin after Nero's death and proceed to the reign of Domitian in AD96. In the Annals, Tacitus alludes to the death of Christ and to the existence of Christians at Rome. See Annals XV,44: But not all the relief that could come from man, not all the bounties that the prince could bestow nor all the atonements which could be presented to the gods, availed to relieve Nero from the infamy of being believed to have ordered the conflagration, the fire of Rome. Hence to suppress the rumor, he falsely charged with the guilt, and punished with most exquisite tortures, the persons commonly called Christians, who were hated for their enormities. Christus, the founder of the name, was put to death by Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea in the reign of Tiberius: but the pernicious superstition, repressed for a time, broke out again, not only through Judea, where the mischief originated, but through the city of Rome also." (The misspelling of Christ as "Christus" was a common error made by pagan writers). It is interesting that Pilate is not mentioned in any other pagan document which has survived. It is an irony of history that the only surviving reference to him in a pagan document mentions him because of the sentence of death he passed on Jesus the Messiah.

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#99002 Apr 8, 2013
To quote curious "My faith is not based on factless theory, as I have posted previously,it is your opinion that is based on factless theory."
No your faith is based on factless faith duh tinkerbell will come back if you believe, just clap your hands and and duh I believe I believe
Take your medication
curious

Ocoee, FL

#99003 Apr 8, 2013
Suetonius: Roman historian and court official during the reign of the Emperor Hadrian. Suetonius wrote in his Life of Claudius: "As the Jews were making constant disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus, he expelled them from Rome." (Life of Claudius 25.4). Chrestus is a misspelling of Christus; the spelling probably assumes that the spelling of Jesus' title "Christos" was the same as ate ChiRho symbol which was also a literary device which indicated a quote worthy of note = the 'chrestus" symbol. Claudius' expulsion of the Christians form Rome is mentioned in Acts 18:2. This event took place in 49AD. In his work Lives of the Caesars, Suetonius also wrote: "Punishment by Nero was inflicted on the Christians, a class of men given to a new and mischievous superstition." Assuming Jesus was crucified in the early thirties, Suetonius places Christians in the Roman capital less than 20 years later and he reports that they were suffering for their faith and dying for their conviction that Jesus had really lived, died and that He had risen from the dead!

Pliny the Younger: Roman governor in Bithynia AD112 wrote to Emperor Trajan to seek advice as to how to treat the Christians. He recounts that he had been killing Christian men, women, and children. He is concerned that so many have chosen death over simply bowing down to a statue of the emperor or being made to "curse Christ, which a genuine Christian cannot be induced to do." (Epistles X, 96)

Tallus: Tallus was a secular historian who (circa AD52) wrote a history of the Eastern Mediterranean from the Trojan War to his own time. The document no longer exists but it was quoted by other writers like the Christian, Julius Africanus, who wrote around AD221. He quotes Tallus' comments about the darkness that enveloped the land during the late afaternoon hours when Jesus died on the cross. Julius wrote: Tallus, in the third book of his histories, explains away this darkness as an eclipse of the sun'unreasonably, as it seems to me (unreasonably of course, because a solar eclipse could not take place at the time of the full moon, and it was at the season of the Paschal full moon that Christ died." Julius Africanus, Chronography, 18.1 The importance of Tallus' comments is that the reference shows that the Gospel account of the darkness that fell across the earth during Christ's crucifixion was well known and required a naturalistic explanation from non-Christians.

Phlegon: Julius Africanus also quoted another secular scholar whose works are now lost. Phlegon wrote a history called Chronicles. Phlegon also comments on the darkness at the time of Christ's crucifixion: "During the time of Tiberius Caesar an eclipse of the sun occurred during the full moon." Julius Africanus, Chronography, 18.1
(The 3rd century Christian apologist Origen also references Phlegon's record of this event in his work Celsum, 2.14,33,59 as does the 6th century writer Philopon (De.opif.mund. II, 21.

Mara Bar-Serapion: Syrian stoic philosopher who wrote a letter from prison to his son circa 70AD. He compares Jesus to the philosophers Socrates and Pythagoras.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#99004 Apr 8, 2013
Josephus ben Mattathias(also known as Flavius Josephus): 37-100AD, Jewish priest, general and historian. He wrote two great works of Jewish history: The Jewish War, written in the early 70's and Jewish Antiquities, which was finished about AD94. In his work, Jewish Antiquities, there is a passage that has created heated debate among scholars for many decades: "Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was the Christ, and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians so named from him are not extinct at this day." Antiquities, XVIII, 33

Lucian of Samosate: Greek satirist later half of 2nd century spoke scornfully of Christ and the Christians but never argued that Jesus never existed. "The Christians, you know, worship a man to this day'the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that account..." The Death of Peregrine, 11-13

The Babylonian Talmud:"It has been taught: On the eve of Passover they hanged Yeshu. And an announcer went out, in front of him, for 40 days (saying):'He is going to be stoned, because he practiced sorcery and enticed and led Israel astray. Anyone who knows anything in his favor, let him come and plead in his behalf.' But, not having found anything in his favor, they hanged him on the eve of Passover." Sanhedrin 43a; df.t.Sanh. 10:11; y. Sanh. 7:12; Tg. Esther 7:9 (Another version of this text reads: "Yeshu the Nazarene." Yeshu or Yehoshua is Hebrew (or Aramaic) for Jesus'in English this name is also translated "Joshua." The Old Testament hero bore the same name as Jesus the Messiah. "Hanged" is another way of referring to a crucifixion; see Luke 23:39 and Galatians 3:13
So true

United States

#99005 Apr 8, 2013
GODS PITBULL wrote:
<quoted text>
Why rich? Do you not know that the rich cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven?
Matt. 19:21-24
21 Jesus answered,“If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
22 When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.
23 Then Jesus said to his disciples,“I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.
24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”
Our life of poverty is as necessary as the work itself. Only in heaven will we see how much we owe to the poor for helping us to love God better because of them.*Mother Teresa
Matt. 5:3 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
yes I was only using that as a saying, I wish health to everyone if I could.. I do not long to be rich, I already am with my life and my family.. Please don't judge me , so quickly.. Great day
So true

United States

#99006 Apr 8, 2013
I don't care which came first chicken or the egg,,, love them both ..:) we tend to take things out of content at times.. Great day y'all smart ones.. Enjoy reading you all, when I am not being condemned , for the fact I do believe or the fact that I'm not living perfect. We each cook our own eggs, and for now ill take mine easy., day
curious

Ocoee, FL

#99007 Apr 8, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
To quote curious "My faith is not based on factless theory, as I have posted previously,it is your opinion that is based on factless theory."
No your faith is based on factless faith duh tinkerbell will come back if you believe, just clap your hands and and duh I believe I believe
Take your medication
Evolutionists believe that non intelligent matter(dirt)spontaneously trasformed itself into intelligent matter.You need to find out how that process works.
Seems you are still at the nonintelligent stage
dumber than dirt
curious

Ocoee, FL

#99008 Apr 8, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
To quote curious "My faith is not based on factless theory, as I have posted previously,it is your opinion that is based on factless theory."
No your faith is based on factless faith duh tinkerbell will come back if you believe, just clap your hands and and duh I believe I believe
Take your medication
Evolutionists believe that non intelligent matter(dirt)spontaneously trasformed itself into intelligent matter.You need to find out how that process works.
Seems you are still at the nonintelligent stage
dumber than dirt and no medication to cure it

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#99009 Apr 8, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Evolutionists believe that non intelligent matter(dirt)spontaneously trasformed itself into intelligent matter.You need to find out how that process works.
Seems you are still at the nonintelligent stage
dumber than dirt
And what does that have to do with you having facts to back up your faith?
How is your faith anything more than a illusion?
As far as evolution goes, it has been explained to you many times and is not my fault that you can not understand simple concepts

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#99010 Apr 8, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Evolutionists believe that non intelligent matter(dirt)spontaneously trasformed itself into intelligent matter.You need to find out how that process works.
Seems you are still at the nonintelligent stage
dumber than dirt and no medication to cure it
Aww, are you angry that we will not let you force your cult on to little children?
GWB

Roseville, CA

#99011 Apr 8, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Sounds like total speculation to me
What about the scripture that says: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Does that mean Jesus is equal to almighty God or was the writer trying to say he was God himself?

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#99012 Apr 8, 2013

Is your faith strong enough curious?

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#99013 Apr 8, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
...
What you call factless theory,is based on your opinion,based on the fact that you don't believe in God.
My faith is not based on factless theory, as I have posted previously,it is your opinion that is based on factless theory.
Since YOU have not tested GOD"S word,because to you,it's nonsense,then your opinion is null and void,...factless
Those of us who have tested God according to his Statement
" IF you DILIGENTLY seek me,you will find me" have found his word to be accurate and true.So we base our faith and belief on those facts,not on someones opinion on a subject that they are unable to understand.
What "facts"? The fact that you believe in your god is not evidence he exists. What evidence do you have that supports creation?

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#99014 Apr 8, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Evolutionists believe that non intelligent matter(dirt)spontaneously trasformed itself into intelligent matter.You need to find out how that process works.
Seems you are still at the nonintelligent stage
dumber than dirt
Like a broken record you are.

The theory of evolution does not describe the origin of life. They are two separate topics.

That aside, your "theory" does no better a job of explaining it(how life originated).
For you it's a case of " I don't know how this happened, so god must have done it". And that is intellectually lazy, in my opinion.

You seem intent on trying to rationalize an irrational view.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Heidrick, KY

#99015 Apr 8, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Reporting on Emperor Nero's decision to blame the Christians for the fire that had destroyed Rome in A.D. 64, the Roman historian Tacitus wrote:
Nero fastened the guilt ... on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of ... Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome....5
What all can we learn from this ancient (and rather unsympathetic) reference to Jesus and the early Christians? Notice, first, that Tacitus reports Christians derived their name from a historical person called Christus (from the Latin), or Christ. He is said to have "suffered the extreme penalty," obviously alluding to the Roman method of execution known as crucifixion. This is said to have occurred during the reign of Tiberius and by the sentence of Pontius Pilatus. This confirms much of what the Gospels tell us about the death of Jesus.
Cornelius Tacitus(AD55-120) Roman historian: Most acclaimed works are the Annals and theHistories. The Annals cover the period from Augustus Caesar's death in AD14 to the death of the Emperor Nero in AD68, while the Historiesbegin after Nero's death and proceed to the reign of Domitian in AD96. In the Annals, Tacitus alludes to the death of Christ and to the existence of Christians at Rome. See Annals XV,44: But not all the relief that could come from man, not all the bounties that the prince could bestow nor all the atonements which could be presented to the gods, availed to relieve Nero from the infamy of being believed to have ordered the conflagration, the fire of Rome. Hence to suppress the rumor, he falsely charged with the guilt, and punished with most exquisite tortures, the persons commonly called Christians, who were hated for their enormities. Christus, the founder of the name, was put to death by Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea in the reign of Tiberius: but the pernicious superstition, repressed for a time, broke out again, not only through Judea, where the mischief originated, but through the city of Rome also." (The misspelling of Christ as "Christus" was a common error made by pagan writers). It is interesting that Pilate is not mentioned in any other pagan document which has survived. It is an irony of history that the only surviving reference to him in a pagan document mentions him because of the sentence of death he passed on Jesus the Messiah.
A.D. 64....A.D. 55-120.... As I said...

Not one mention, not one scribble on a wall of a person that we are told walked on water, healed the blind, turned water to wine, fed the masses with 2 fish and a loaf of bread, rose from the grave and did all kinds of miraculous stuff... After 2000 years of people searching ever wall, every pit, every tunnel we can find from the followers then, the Templers, through the holding of the Holy Lands through 12 Crusades...... And yet we find writings of how the wheat crops did, where to get laid, who is the best Gladiators were, census reports and all manner of trivial mention... 20 to 40 years after the time at hand we are told of such feats.... but Believers B'Leve...

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Heidrick, KY

#99016 Apr 8, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Evolutionists believe that non intelligent matter(dirt)spontaneously trasformed itself into intelligent matter.You need to find out how that process works.
Seems you are still at the nonintelligent stage
dumber than dirt and no medication to cure it
"Evolutionists believe that non intelligent matter(dirt)spontaneously trasformed itself into intelligent matter."

No they don't... It's been explained to you several times... All anyone can do is explain it to you, No One can understand it for
you....

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#99017 Apr 8, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Can you explain how a fish laid an egg that produced a chicken? Was there an amphibious chicken in the interim?
Obviously there were many intermediates. Just look at the fossil record for evidence of them.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#99018 Apr 8, 2013
TruthIs wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow..hmm.... I was looking at a chicken one day-and the next day I was looking at the chicken AND an egg.
(You don't know either!)
So you only know what you can see?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#99019 Apr 8, 2013
TruthIs wrote:
<quoted text>
No excuses (and THAT is an excuse)
I've never seen a critter read a book.
Worm.
What critter needs to read a book to survive and reproduce?
I really cannot see my response as an excuse.
I showed your claim as false, so no excuse needed. Evolution does not claim humans are better than other animals, religion does. So what is religions excuse for claiming man is superior to other animals? What is your criteria for superior, reading? If so, why did Jesus not write any words for us to read?

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