Early morning fatal accident on I-880

Early morning fatal accident on I-880

There are 58 comments on the Inside Bay Area story from Oct 26, 2008, titled Early morning fatal accident on I-880. In it, Inside Bay Area reports that:

MOTORCYCLIST dies in Oakland: A motorcyclist died early Saturday morning after crashing in the northbound lanes of Interstate 880 in Oakland.

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Dr Robert Branson

Berkeley, CA

#1 Oct 26, 2008
Wow that's a big surprise...NOT! I mean 90 per cent of these bozos drive like maniacs, 60 MPH in city streets (25-35 MPH zones), 80 to 100 out on the highways, cutting in and out, splitting lanes, etc. Without that protection when they go down they are spread out all over the pavement, sometimes in pieces all over the place. When an intact one is brought into the emergency room the staff says "Well here comes another organ doner!" Reckless and rude young cyclists and those increasingly powerful machines don't mix too well! R.I.P. whoever this latest kamikaze pilot was!
Steve

Fremont, CA

#2 Oct 26, 2008
Dr Robert Branson wrote:
Wow that's a big surprise...NOT! I mean 90 per cent of these bozos drive like maniacs, 60 MPH in city streets (25-35 MPH zones), 80 to 100 out on the highways, cutting in and out, splitting lanes, etc. Without that protection when they go down they are spread out all over the pavement, sometimes in pieces all over the place. When an intact one is brought into the emergency room the staff says "Well here comes another organ doner!" Reckless and rude young cyclists and those increasingly powerful machines don't mix too well! R.I.P. whoever this latest kamikaze pilot was!
Dr. the article did not have very much information on it. Yes it is true that some cyclists are not responsible. But splitting lanes is legal. Driving 80 and 90 is not. Your mixing up legal ways of riding with illegal riding. Also 90% is kind of a high way to judge all riders. You and your staff are just desensitised from working in the E/R. Those comments made by staff are inappropriate, someone lost their life. It's just a job now huh?
American

United States

#3 Oct 26, 2008
Steve wrote:
<quoted text>Dr. the article did not have very much information on it. Yes it is true that some cyclists are not responsible. But splitting lanes is legal. Driving 80 and 90 is not. Your mixing up legal ways of riding with illegal riding. Also 90% is kind of a high way to judge all riders. You and your staff are just desensitised from working in the E/R. Those comments made by staff are inappropriate, someone lost their life. It's just a job now huh?
I have to agree with the DR, True some bikers are safe and curtious, However as of late I see more and more bikers who think they own the road! Sure splitting the lane is legal up to 30 mph after that it is not! It should however not be legal!! splitting the lane is dangerous and I would not hold one once of remorse if I hit one of these bozo's driving past my truck at 60+ splitting the lane! I drive a big truck and split the lane at your own risk next to me as I cant see you so its the chance you take,Motorcycles and cars share the same road we should have to operate under the same rules of the road! Freeways were originaly built for cars then along came bikes thats fine but we need to operate under the same rules, Piss Cut at your own risk, The add didnt give specifics it could have been a car not looking out that hit the person we dont know I am just saying what I have seen as of latley, The bottom line is someone is dead! my heart goes out to there family, We all need to respect each other on the E-Way's slow down a little more look a little more be a little more freindly! let that person over when there flasher is on! stop thinking that well if you get in front of me than you are first and I am not anymore! We will all get to where we are going eventualy but it takes everyone to make it work and work safe! Car drivers would look out a little more for motorcycleist would stop piss cutting at 60+ mph! and stop doing wheeelies down the E-Way! the law should also be changed so as one has to be at least 21 to get a motorcycle license as it takes more responsibility to drive a bike and some of these youngsters just dont get it till its too late.
Dr Robert Branson

Berkeley, CA

#4 Oct 26, 2008
Steve wrote:
<quoted text>Dr. the article did not have very much information on it. Yes it is true that some cyclists are not responsible. But splitting lanes is legal. Driving 80 and 90 is not. Your mixing up legal ways of riding with illegal riding. Also 90% is kind of a high way to judge all riders. You and your staff are just desensitised from working in the E/R. Those comments made by staff are inappropriate, someone lost their life. It's just a job now huh?
Well actually I'm not a medical doctor but I take your point. Some cyclists are indeed responsible, from my experience they seem to be to mostly the older ones...maybe with age indeed comes wisdom. It still seems to me that the great majority of today's motorcyclists (okay maybe not 90 per cent!) are extremely reckless and rude. I've read that providing these young and amateur riders with more and more powerful machines is a big part of the problem and I've heard that from the more responsible cyclists. Yeah I know splitting lanes is legal but there is also a law that you must not drive faster than the conditions warrant at any time. Tearing along at high speed in the same lane as much slower or even stopped traffic seems highly dangerous and maybe even illegal to me, definitely more than a bit stupid! My driving record proves that I am a VERY careful driver but I've had some real close calls with these kamikaze lane splitters. You can be going relatively slow but need to make a lane change, look carefully in your rear and side view mirrors, see absolutely nothing and just as you start to make your change...WHOOSH!...here comes Evil Knievel!

As far as emergency room doctors, anyone who has worked under extremely stressful conditions knows that sometimes the only thing that gets you through is a dash a black humor. In this case there is more than a dose of reality involved. Motorcyclists who go down frequently receive life threatening injuries or are on their way to that Harley clubhouse way up in the sky...or way down in the...oh you know! That dire scenario may be preferable to being a quadrapalegic (spelling?) for life...and that sadly is also not all that uncommon. Personally give me a couple layers of steel around me!

I don't want to single out motorcycle drivers as the only maniacs on the road either. There seems to be an epidemic of bad driving out there nowadays, not helped out by the fact that the California Highway Patrol has apparently been nearly disbanded, or so it seems! There was a time when you soon found out by those flashing lights behind you that you were doing something wrong. Nowadays I can drive for weeks and not see a CHP unit, unless there is an accident...and then there are a half dozen. Staging area? At the Donut Shop? I don't know...but there are some absolutely goofy drivers out there who need to be taken off the road for good...and they all aren't driving motorcycles. Hey slow down y'all and get where you are going safely! The old doc has spoken!

Since: Sep 08

oakland ca

#5 Oct 26, 2008
Dr Robert Branson wrote:
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Well actually I'm not a medical doctor but I take your point. Some cyclists are indeed responsible, from my experience they seem to be to mostly the older ones...maybe with age indeed comes wisdom. It still seems to me that the great majority of today's motorcyclists (okay maybe not 90 per cent!) are extremely reckless and rude. I've read that providing these young and amateur riders with more and more powerful machines is a big part of the problem and I've heard that from the more responsible cyclists. Yeah I know splitting lanes is legal but there is also a law that you must not drive faster than the conditions warrant at any time. Tearing along at high speed in the same lane as much slower or even stopped traffic seems highly dangerous and maybe even illegal to me, definitely more than a bit stupid! My driving record proves that I am a VERY careful driver but I've had some real close calls with these kamikaze lane splitters. You can be going relatively slow but need to make a lane change, look carefully in your rear and side view mirrors, see absolutely nothing and just as you start to make your change...WHOOSH!...here comes Evil Knievel!
As far as emergency room doctors, anyone who has worked under extremely stressful conditions knows that sometimes the only thing that gets you through is a dash a black humor. In this case there is more than a dose of reality involved. Motorcyclists who go down frequently receive life threatening injuries or are on their way to that Harley clubhouse way up in the sky...or way down in the...oh you know! That dire scenario may be preferable to being a quadrapalegic (spelling?) for life...and that sadly is also not all that uncommon. Personally give me a couple layers of steel around me!
I don't want to single out motorcycle drivers as the only maniacs on the road either. There seems to be an epidemic of bad driving out there nowadays, not helped out by the fact that the California Highway Patrol has apparently been nearly disbanded, or so it seems! There was a time when you soon found out by those flashing lights behind you that you were doing something wrong. Nowadays I can drive for weeks and not see a CHP unit, unless there is an accident...and then there are a half dozen. Staging area? At the Donut Shop? I don't know...but there are some absolutely goofy drivers out there who need to be taken off the road for good...and they all aren't driving motorcycles. Hey slow down y'all and get where you are going safely! The old doc has spoken!
Now you just judged all chp the reason you don't see them as much is because they can hide know before they had to be in plain sight believe me my nephew is a chp and he works his a off to protect us and you don't understand the training they have to go threw I was shocked harder than military bootcamp by fare so blanket statements are always wrong!!!!
Dr Robert Branson

Berkeley, CA

#6 Oct 26, 2008
81 supporter wrote:
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Now you just judged all chp the reason you don't see them as much is because they can hide know before they had to be in plain sight believe me my nephew is a chp and he works his a off to protect us and you don't understand the training they have to go threw I was shocked harder than military bootcamp by fare so blanket statements are always wrong!!!!
I think you misunderstood me sir or madame! I would actually like to see MORE CHP officers out there ticketing the motor maniacs! I am old enough to remember when CHP officers were a common sight, by the side of the road ticketing, passing you to catch the speeders, quickly responding to accidents. You had to keep one eye on your speedometer if you didn't want to get cited. Now you can make a round trip from the Bay Area to Sacramento or drive for a week between Oakland and San Jose and back and you probably won't see one CHP vehicle...except as I said at the scene of an accident. It's no secret that they have the same number of officers now that they did when the number of drivers was half what it is now. They are also being called on in great numbers to help local cops in crime ridden dumps like Richmond and Oakland and also involved in protection from terrorist activities such as guarding bridges and structures. It ain't rocket science why but it is a fact that they are scarce on the highways now, at least in the Bay Area of Northern California.

Most motorists know that they pretty much can do anything they want on the roads now. Just take a trip down Highway 5 where the dumb asses in SUVs as well as on motorcycles are flying by you at 80-100 MPH. It's pretty close to anarchy out there now and until a relative gets killed by a speed demon or a drunk driver nobody seems to give a rat's ass. Of course movies and TV and even car commercials don't help by making power and speed so attractive! Burn rubber even coming out of a parking lot! Roar through city streets and tear around curves on mountain roads! No innocent people ever bite the dust with Vin Diesel at the wheel do they? Oops getting a bit off topic...so sorry...but I've had two relatives killed by reckless drivers (one of them drunk) so it's more than a pet peeve of mine!
angry 408

Pittsburg, CA

#7 Oct 26, 2008
Dr Robert Branson wrote:
Wow that's a big surprise...NOT! I mean 90 per cent of these bozos drive like maniacs, 60 MPH in city streets (25-35 MPH zones), 80 to 100 out on the highways, cutting in and out, splitting lanes, etc. Without that protection when they go down they are spread out all over the pavement, sometimes in pieces all over the place. When an intact one is brought into the emergency room the staff says "Well here comes another organ doner!" Reckless and rude young cyclists and those increasingly powerful machines don't mix too well! R.I.P. whoever this latest kamikaze pilot was!
I would rather you did not refer to my brother as a bozo just after his death. in case anyone cares his name was Justin Paiva and he wasn't even 29 yet he was a good man. so before you go sling insults around about the dead keep in mind they left behind loved ones who still care.

Since: Sep 08

oakland ca

#8 Oct 27, 2008
angry 408 wrote:
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I would rather you did not refer to my brother as a bozo just after his death. in case anyone cares his name was Justin Paiva and he wasn't even 29 yet he was a good man. so before you go sling insults around about the dead keep in mind they left behind loved ones who still care.
may Justin Paiva rip!!!!! angry 408 I'm so sorry
Dr Robert Branson

Berkeley, CA

#9 Oct 27, 2008
angry 408 wrote:
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I would rather you did not refer to my brother as a bozo just after his death. in case anyone cares his name was Justin Paiva and he wasn't even 29 yet he was a good man. so before you go sling insults around about the dead keep in mind they left behind loved ones who still care.
I wasn't referring to your brother in particular but my feeling remains that the great majority of motorcyclists are extremely reckless and rude drivers and do deserve to be placed in the category of "bozos". My condolences to you and your family and the friends of this young man. 29 is indeed way too young to die! It is indeed a tragedy for all concerned. Hopefully a lesson can be learned in that we ALL (auto drivers as well as cyclists) should drive more carefully in the future...but sadly based on past experience that probably won't be the case. Rest in Peace Justina Paiva.
Dr Robert Branson

Berkeley, CA

#10 Oct 27, 2008
Sorry the misspelling of this young man's name in the post above this oen was unintentional. Rest in Peace JUSTIN Paiva.
Steve

Oakland, CA

#11 Oct 27, 2008
The reason I stopped riding my motorcycle are the countless morons talking on the phone and not paying attention to driving. Now I see more and more texting while driving. Not to mention the attitudes like this douchebag Robert has that results in road rage where a car becomes a weapon. I've seen it countless times. Bike wrecks in rural areas are usually rider error. Wrecks on highways and cities are usually right of way violations by other vehicles. RIP Justin.
Dr Robert Branson

Berkeley, CA

#12 Oct 27, 2008
Steve wrote:
The reason I stopped riding my motorcycle are the countless morons talking on the phone and not paying attention to driving. Now I see more and more texting while driving. Not to mention the attitudes like this douchebag Robert has that results in road rage where a car becomes a weapon. I've seen it countless times. Bike wrecks in rural areas are usually rider error. Wrecks on highways and cities are usually right of way violations by other vehicles. RIP Justin.
Thanks for calling me a douchebag which says more about your lack of intelligence and civility than anything else. Who was talking about road rage or a car becoming a weapon? That wasn't me! I don't engage in road rage and am totally against it but lots of cyclists seem to in fact have their own share of that commodity. You know that "I'm Mr. Macho Man On My Mean Machine" attitude, the Hell's Angels syndrome! Don't get in my way in any way or you'll the one fingered salute or worse!

I couldn't agree more about motorists texting. If I had my way that would automatically qualify you for prison time. Looking down at some silly cellphone repeatedly punching number/letters while driving is much more dangerous than just talking on the phone in my opinion! Just look at that commuter train accident in Southern California (25 people dead!) to see evidence of that. Get your heads out of your asses when you are driving people! Hands free cellphones, no texting, don't go playing with your iPod or any other electronic device! Watch the freaking road!

I've never seen any evidence that bike wrecks on the highways are usually the result of right of way violations by other vehicles. That could be a factor in a minority of cases but from what I've read it's been more reckless riding, primarily excess speed by the cyclists themselves. You just take a look at the way a lot of these guys drive/ride and you can see it ain't exactly rocket science. Just as with autos, reckless driving causes accidents and when you don't have any protection around you you go down...and sometimes down for good! I've had some conversations with CHP officers and they pretty much confirmed my beliefs. Show me some evidence that motorists are responsible for MOST highway bike accidents and I may change my opinion.
American

United States

#13 Oct 27, 2008
I still have to agree with the DR! Sorry for your loss perhaps it wasnt his fault but its like the saying goes one rotten apple spoils the whole bushell! when you got a bunch of young speed freaks splitting the lanes at 90plus miles an hour things like this happen what I mean by that is all motorcyclesist get a back reputation.
My heart does go out to the family tho,My brother was killed in a bike accident as well.
American

United States

#14 Oct 27, 2008
Now you just judged all chp the reason you don't see them as much is because they can hide know before they had to be in plain sight believe me my nephew is a chp and he works his a off to protect us and you don't understand the training they have to go threw I was shocked harder than military bootcamp by fare so blanket statements are always wrong!!!!

Ya there all hideing at the local starbucks!
sure they got a dangerous job thats why they hide! they wait for the shit to hit the fan then the show up when its all over and pick up the pieces! I see chp driving like idiots as well! 90plus with no lights on no siren! most of them are young right out of the academy give them a fast car a gun and a badge and all the sudden there god's of the highway!, Dont get me wrong there are some that are real good cops but the ones that are lazy give the whole force a bad rap! theres not enough cops on the road peplpe drive 90 plus everyday and get away with it in the old days they would get a ticket and a good tounge lashing! and the cops that are on the road are just as this guy said hideing! and I am sorry to inform this person that a cop hideing in oreder to give a ticket is called intrapment and it is against the law! I thought only the bad guys hide in the bushes! I have never seen a chp hideing on the freeway have any of you?

Since: Sep 08

oakland ca

#15 Oct 27, 2008
American wrote:
Now you just judged all chp the reason you don't see them as much is because they can hide know before they had to be in plain sight believe me my nephew is a chp and he works his a off to protect us and you don't understand the training they have to go threw I was shocked harder than military bootcamp by fare so blanket statements are always wrong!!!!
Ya there all hideing at the local starbucks!
sure they got a dangerous job thats why they hide! they wait for the shit to hit the fan then the show up when its all over and pick up the pieces! I see chp driving like idiots as well! 90plus with no lights on no siren! most of them are young right out of the academy give them a fast car a gun and a badge and all the sudden there god's of the highway!, Dont get me wrong there are some that are real good cops but the ones that are lazy give the whole force a bad rap! theres not enough cops on the road peplpe drive 90 plus everyday and get away with it in the old days they would get a ticket and a good tounge lashing! and the cops that are on the road are just as this guy said hideing! and I am sorry to inform this person that a cop hideing in oreder to give a ticket is called intrapment and it is against the law! I thought only the bad guys hide in the bushes! I have never seen a chp hideing on the freeway have any of you?
not any more and the reason you don't see them is because there hiding get it!! they might be in plain sight to someone taking the exit but not the freeway when passing the exit
Dr Robert Branson

Berkeley, CA

#16 Oct 27, 2008
I don't buy all that "they are all hiding" nonsense. There is plenty of evidence to support the plain truth that they are just spread too thin nowadays due to factors I mentioned above (helping out local police departments, homeland security, etc.). WHERE are they all hiding??? I actually support the idea of unmarked patrol cars and radar gun use by the CHP throughout the state. If you aren't doing anything wrong you don't have anything to fear. So many of the maniac drivers keep one eye in the rear view mirror for a black and white and never get caught.
trucker

United States

#17 Oct 27, 2008
no one has mentioned the fact that part of hwy 880 is the worst in the bay area. i drive through there with 18 wheels and my axles come off the ground imagine what happens to two wheels, especially if the rider is unaware of the road! justin was a friend of mine, by the way. we love you justin
Car Driver

Berkeley, CA

#18 Oct 27, 2008
Yeah 880 isn't the greatest but thanks to the extremely heavy truck traffic (which really beats the hell out of our highways!) they can't pave it fast enough to keep it in good shape. Still I drive it every day without too much of a problem, aside from dodging the speed demons. The California Highway Patrol refers to 880 as "The Nimwits Freeway" (named for the wacko drivers on it) and that's pretty accurate. The speed limit is 55 MPH in the area of this accident I really suspect this guy was doing MUCH more than that. As a Bay Area resident he was probably pretty familiar with the road too. Let's not make too many excuses that most likely don't apply. That all being said we all make mistakes and unfortunately young Justin paid the ultimate price. R.I.P.
trucker

United States

#19 Oct 28, 2008
what do you suppose they use to pave the hwys.? trucks, of course, and since trucks are responsible for supplying just about everything from gas to food to aspahalt, to transporting everyones garbage to land fills, we have to be able to use the hwys. and being a construction truck driver who personally has paved 880 in the past, that stretch of hwy. is F----- Up. i would love to take you for a ride through there in my truck some day, you will change your mind im, sure. a car has a better suspension, lower to the ground and doesnt feel the hazarads of this roadway. no doubt justin was going to fast, however, i place some of the blame on the road. rip justin
Car Driver

Berkeley, CA

#20 Oct 28, 2008
Well of course trucks are necessary! I didn't say they weren't. They do significant damage to the road though and that's why 880, the right lanes in particular, is so rough. There just aren't enough dollars in the state budget to repair it as often as necessary to give everybody a smooth ride all the time. Look at the difference between 880 and 580 (between Oakland and South San Leandro) where trucks aren't normally permitted (unless 880 is jammed with an accident). I've been driving that highway for 40 years and haven't yet seen a major re-paving project and it still rides very nice, especially when compared to 880. The fact remains that if you drive with care on 880, at or close to the speed limit you most likely won't have any problems unless a reckless driver runs into you. I've been doing just that for 40 years. MOST (I didn't say ALL but a great majority) of the motorcyclists I see are going like a bat out of hell and that in my most humble opinion is asking for trouble on any freeway!

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