Hayward crash victims suspected of co...

Hayward crash victims suspected of committing earlier robbery

There are 60 comments on the Ledger Dispatch story from Dec 24, 2009, titled Hayward crash victims suspected of committing earlier robbery. In it, Ledger Dispatch reports that:

A man and a juvenile killed early Wednesday when the car they were riding in crashed into a big-rig and then a utility pole are believed to have been involved in a gunpoint robbery that occurred shortly beforehand, officials said this afternoon.

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DojoRat

San Carlos, CA

#1 Dec 25, 2009
Good riddance
lisa

San Ramon, CA

#2 Dec 26, 2009
Amen to that! Two less criminals on the street! No long drawn out trial that might of found them innocent due to some fluke in the system..no wasted money on keeping them fed and dressed in jail! What goes around comes around...and they got what they deserved!
Steve

San Jose, CA

#3 Dec 26, 2009
Sweet Payback! Loser's. I wish someone would would kick over all the candles that were on the street. What about the victims?
lisa

San Ramon, CA

#4 Dec 26, 2009
At the memorial they left empty bottles of booze? Honestly? What is wrong with our country that people would leave booze as a memorial to the dead? Oh wait, I forgot, they were gangsters with no morals or ethics and they didn't care about anyone else. Good riddence...burn in hell!
Steve

San Jose, CA

#6 Dec 27, 2009
What a cost savings! Im sick of being the nice guy. Do you know how much a week in jail cost? Medical, Dental, food,Clothing etc. They get MRI's approved faster than our HMO's.Just like DoJo Rat said above...Victims, that's who I feel for. All those dirt bag friends who left booze at memorial will end up somewhere in the same path, Jail,Prison,or death.
Steve

San Jose, CA

#7 Dec 27, 2009
The Media, interviewing friends and family of the crash. I almost threw up when I heard one of the friends talking about one of the crash victims. Interview the people they robbed at gun point.
Kathy

San Leandro, CA

#8 Dec 27, 2009
Ok, I understand the rush to judgement. However, in the spirit of Christmas I remember that Christmas is about hope. All of us are sinners, and yes, some sins are greater than others, and some of us have our sins splashed all over the headlines, while others of us possibly are smug that our sins remain hidden. As a Catholic and Christian I'm called to remember that Jesus died on the cross in expiation of all our sins. Let us not judge, or we too will be judged just as we have judged others. I pray for those who were robbed an hour before the crash, and I pray for the driver who will spend the rest of his life in jail contemplating how he has impacted the lives of so many at such a young age. I especially pray for Andrew Falcon, and the other young man killed, and the two women, one of whom is critically injured. May Andrew and his friend be forgiven their sins, and may they rest in peace with our Lord. I walk my dog through downtown hayward each night, and the night of the crash was stunned and saddened to see so many young people grieving on the corner of A Street. Your friends remain in your hearts, and will always be with you in spirit. Pray for them, and ask God to forgive their sins, just as we daily pray for forgiveness ourselves. Rest in Peace, and for those who are young, the only way to honor those who have died is to go and make something of yourselves. Who you are is God's gift to you. Who you become is your gift back to God. Peace be with all this Christmas Season, and my the new year bring us all hope!
DojoRat

Livermore, CA

#9 Dec 27, 2009
Kathy: That's a very nice sentiment, but as General Norman Schwartzkov so eloquently said about the 9-11 conspirators: "I believe forgiving them is God's function. Our job is simply to arrange the meeting."

I stick by my good riddance comment. And at least one person gave that little crowd the finger as he drove by yesterday, haha.
81 Hater

Tracy, CA

#10 Dec 27, 2009
Kathy wrote:
Ok, I understand the rush to judgement. However, in the spirit of Christmas I remember that Christmas is about hope. All of us are sinners, and yes, some sins are greater than others, and some of us have our sins splashed all over the headlines, while others of us possibly are smug that our sins remain hidden. As a Catholic and Christian I'm called to remember that Jesus died on the cross in expiation of all our sins. Let us not judge, or we too will be judged just as we have judged others. I pray for those who were robbed an hour before the crash, and I pray for the driver who will spend the rest of his life in jail contemplating how he has impacted the lives of so many at such a young age. I especially pray for Andrew Falcon, and the other young man killed, and the two women, one of whom is critically injured. May Andrew and his friend be forgiven their sins, and may they rest in peace with our Lord. I walk my dog through downtown hayward each night, and the night of the crash was stunned and saddened to see so many young people grieving on the corner of A Street. Your friends remain in your hearts, and will always be with you in spirit. Pray for them, and ask God to forgive their sins, just as we daily pray for forgiveness ourselves. Rest in Peace, and for those who are young, the only way to honor those who have died is to go and make something of yourselves. Who you are is God's gift to you. Who you become is your gift back to God. Peace be with all this Christmas Season, and my the new year bring us all hope!
This right here, well, this right here is a bunch of sentimental Holy Roller crap. Sorry Kathy, I respect your opinion, but I ain't gonna agree with it. First of all, organized religion is a hoax...had to say it, sorry. Second, lets not get all touchy feely with a bunch of thugs who have come to think of life as something to be wasted.... They made their choice....No forgiveness for them.
Drk987

Dublin, CA

#11 Dec 27, 2009
The only two disappointments here are, the piece of crap driver lived and we as tax payers will probably pick up the tab to save the rest of the garbage in that car.
Steve

San Jose, CA

#12 Dec 27, 2009
Kathy wrote:
Ok, I understand the rush to judgement. However, in the spirit of Christmas I remember that Christmas is about hope. All of us are sinners, and yes, some sins are greater than others, and some of us have our sins splashed all over the headlines, while others of us possibly are smug that our sins remain hidden. As a Catholic and Christian I'm called to remember that Jesus died on the cross in expiation of all our sins. Let us not judge, or we too will be judged just as we have judged others. I pray for those who were robbed an hour before the crash, and I pray for the driver who will spend the rest of his life in jail contemplating how he has impacted the lives of so many at such a young age. I especially pray for Andrew Falcon, and the other young man killed, and the two women, one of whom is critically injured. May Andrew and his friend be forgiven their sins, and may they rest in peace with our Lord. I walk my dog through downtown hayward each night, and the night of the crash was stunned and saddened to see so many young people grieving on the corner of A Street. Your friends remain in your hearts, and will always be with you in spirit. Pray for them, and ask God to forgive their sins, just as we daily pray for forgiveness ourselves. Rest in Peace, and for those who are young, the only way to honor those who have died is to go and make something of yourselves. Who you are is God's gift to you. Who you become is your gift back to God. Peace be with all this Christmas Season, and my the new year bring us all hope!
Christmas is over its 2010 now. Down with criminals. I would hate it to happen to you Kath but I wonder if you would feel the same if you had a gun smack in your face? My question is how much more money will they waste with the other one of life support. Im sick of it, thats the game they played deal with it.
Steve

San Jose, CA

#13 Dec 27, 2009
Drk987 wrote:
The only two disappointments here are, the piece of crap driver lived and we as tax payers will probably pick up the tab to save the rest of the garbage in that car.
100% truth, you think the parents insurance will pick it up..F N BS
Sick of these trash losers being talked about like victims.
Jackson

Los Altos, CA

#14 Dec 27, 2009
I think the hostility expressed here towards these thugs (sorry but that's what they were/are!) is warranted. People are just so sick of these punks, thugs and gangs ruining our communities and making it unsafe to be on the street even in broad daylight let alone at night! We're also sick of the families and friends of these people defending them, saying what wonderful people they were/are and that they should be forgiven for their "little" mistakes! In a word...BULLSHIT! Respect has to be earned and robbing people at gunpoint, running from cops and endangering everyone on the road by irresponsible, reckless driving is not the way to earn it! I'll save my respect for those that deserve it and my sympathy for the victims of crime, not the thugs who commit it!
Kathy

San Leandro, CA

#15 Dec 28, 2009
Thank you everyone for your sentiments. As I said, I understand the rush to judgment and the heated sentiments as well. I live in Hayward, two blocks from this crash scene. I often ask myself how I would feel if someone stuck a gun in my face, well, angry and scared come to mind. I have lived in this town for 57 years, and I'm saddened it's not the same city I grew up in, and it continues to deteriorate. It's not easy to forgive, and thank you for the Holy Roller comment. I have to chuckle as no one has ever called me that!! So, I respect everyone's opinion, and still stand by my comments. I work very hard and only wish I had time to be part of the solution, to make this a better city to live in, but between work and taking care of an elderly parent, there's not much time left.

I do think we should be tough on crime, not just parole people who haven't learned from their mistakes. According to the news Leo was an Ex-con, a "parolee," and too often as soon as someone is released, they go right back to a life of crime. Something has to be done about this in order to protect innocent people, who are just trying to live their lives. I'd like to live in this city and continue to feel safe, but sadly this is no longer the case. Let it start with each of us, individually stating our position, not accepting crime as just another day in the life of this city, but finding a way to deal with it, prevent it, and demand tougher laws. My fear is with the State of CA going down the tubes financially, this will have a dire impact on all of our cities, and more criminals will be released.

Can I forgive? Yes, my Catholic Faith calls me to forgive and I freely do so, in spite of my feelings about how crime affects all of us. I'm not happy about what happened, and yes, I'm angry that another criminal was released and as a result others where hurt, killed, regardless of their fault in what happened. It's a tragedy for not just those who were killed and hurt as a result of Leo's actions, but for our city, as it happened yet again, and as a society we continue to be soft on crime, and do nothing to rehabilitate those who commit crimes.
soH

San Francisco, CA

#16 Dec 28, 2009
Well said, Kathy.
Livermore Person

United States

#17 Dec 28, 2009
Rehabilitate is a very tough pill to force feed most criminals. You cannot help someone who does not want to be helped. We can all do our part. Report crime, new vandalism, any vandalism, suspicious activity, any suspicious activity. Pick up the phone and call. To those who say the LPD have nohting to do...give them something to do. They will investigate and check things out. It is better to report something fishy now than read about the crime that occurred later. Let the police do their job and help them out by reporting crime!!
Chug Hadley

Los Altos, CA

#18 Dec 28, 2009
Vanessa taken off life support today! Rot in Hell Leo you thug punk!

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story...
DojoRat

Livermore, CA

#19 Dec 28, 2009
Livermore Person: You are 100% correct in that you can't help someone that doesn't want to be helped.

There's a huge difference between someone that did something stupid one time, feels remorse, and makes a conscious decision to say "no, that's not who I want to be" and the person who says "next time I'll try harder not to get caught." For the first person, I have no problem with my tax dollars being spent to help rehabilitate that person. For the latter, let them rot, and when their little gang-banging friends shoot them in the head, I'll just sit there and point and laught.

Oh, and Vanessa, don't let the door smack you where the good lord cracked you. One more down, how many more left?

As for the other gang bangers out there, I think you should try what this guy did. Try running 60mph into a semi-truck. You'll succeed, really!
Anon

Pleasanton, CA

#20 Dec 28, 2009
Livermore Person wrote:
Rehabilitate is a very tough pill to force feed most criminals. You cannot help someone who does not want to be helped. We can all do our part. Report crime, new vandalism, any vandalism, suspicious activity, any suspicious activity. Pick up the phone and call. To those who say the LPD have nohting to do...give them something to do. They will investigate and check things out. It is better to report something fishy now than read about the crime that occurred later. Let the police do their job and help them out by reporting crime!!
Yah, recidivism is a huge problem with property crimes and even crimes against persons like strong arm robbery and assaults, because prisons and jails don't include (or don't have enough if they do) psychotherapy and treatments designed to modify behavior. They do however, breed a lot of resentful, bitter ex-cons and it can also "harden" them like metal in a forge, just being around all the other criminals and the element. Some correctional officers have described the American prison system as "finishing school" for criminals, because they share information and hone their physical strength and fighting skills.

As for the LPD, I suppose the likelihood of getting a response to your call for service will really depend on what you tell them. I know that simply calling them up to report small things like suspicious vehicles (like someone who might be "casing" a street), or suspicious persons (people walking around or hanging around who don't live in the area and don't appear to have any legitimate business in it), doesn't usually generate a response within a time period sufficient to intervene in anything - the car or person is often long gone when or if the cops arrive. I know this from personal experience.

On the other hand, we had some thefts in our neighborhood that were actually witnessed in progress by residents and the cops will show up within minutes for something like that.

So I guess vigilance is really the requisite factor here. If someone can see something as it occurs and phone it in, you have a better chance of getting help.

Of course, none of this will help any of us avoid becoming the victims of violent crimes; if you want to protect yourself, your family, and your property, you need to be armed.

Stock up on ammo before it gets really expensive and you can't import it from out of state....
imperfect angel

Newark, CA

#21 Dec 28, 2009
God bless the dead and the friends and families of those who were impacted. Only God can judge and I'm sure many of us who commit the worst sins get away with them and have the most harsh things to say when someone else is on the spot. They were still God's children and everyone makes mistakes. It wasn't even proven that they committed the robbery and I really think the media skewed the story to cover up the improper methodology the police performed. They didn't want to get sued for falsely stating that someone died. Why is it that people are so quick to throw these kids in jail instead of helping and showing them a better way. They didn't have that luxury growing up that's why they live that lifestyle. Put yourself in their shoes. My heart goes out to Andrew and his family. He was a good kid with a really good heart and although he wasn't perfect he was trying. Rest in Peace Andrew you'll always be in our hearts.

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