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Rolla, MO

#63 Apr 9, 2013
John Doe wrote:
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Might I ask you one question? Why don't you ever consider that there is validity to any point that doesn't agree with you. Why do you only see part of what the left does, what you consider to be the good and never see anything bad that the left might do? You talk of Camelot. Do you honestly think it was right for all of the affairs that Jack Kennedy had while he was in office?
John Doe,
You just dont get it do you? I don't deny Kennedy didn't live a perfect life (how many of us do)? But, his wonderful atributes - and the good things he accomplished in life & the legacy he left FAR OUTWEIGH the bad - and at this point - Kennedy's bad points are not even worth mentioning or remembering!

When are you going to learn - this is just the way life goes?

Just like the 51 years of married life my husband & I shared. These were the most wonderful years of my life! But I'll be the first to admit, my husband had his faults (as do I), but my husband's good qualities & his legacy - so brightly over-shadow his few bad points - THEY ARE NOT EVEN WORTH MENTIONING - OR REMEMBERING.

The same is true with the "Camelot" Kennedy years.

And by the way, I'm not talking left-wing or right-wing here. I'm talking about a person's good points outweighting their bad points.

Can you honestly say your good points outweigh your bad points. If not, you need to start making some changes...
John Doe

Poplar Bluff, MO

#64 Apr 9, 2013
Alumni,

I just want to make sure I have all of this right.

So if I a fellow does lots of good things in his life, it is okay for him to be a cad who cheats on his wife?

If that is so, Where do you draw the line? How many good things must one do to have the bad overlooked.

Does the good that he does out weigh his getting us involved in Vietnam?
1961 Alumni Rolla MO

Rolla, MO

#65 Apr 9, 2013
John Doe wrote:
Alumni,
I just want to make sure I have all of this right.
So if I a fellow does lots of good things in his life, it is okay for him to be a cad who cheats on his wife?
If that is so, Where do you draw the line? How many good things must one do to have the bad overlooked.
Does the good that he does out weigh his getting us involved in Vietnam?
Dough Boy,
This conversation is over! Talking to you is about like trying to talk to a rock!

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#66 Apr 9, 2013
1961 Alumni Rolla MO wrote:
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Dough Boy,
This conversation is over! Talking to you is about like trying to talk to a rock!
lol
What's wrong alum61? Did John Doe burst your bubble by pointing out how big a sinner one of your self proclaimed Gods really was?

The media sure did do a good job of protecting the Kennedy image at the time, didn't they. Being a whore monger isn't illegal, is it.

lol
1961 Alumni Rolla

Rolla, MO

#67 Apr 9, 2013
ComradeWinston wrote:
<quoted text>
lol
What's wrong alum61? Did John Doe burst your bubble by pointing out how big a sinner one of your self proclaimed Gods really was?
The media sure did do a good job of protecting the Kennedy image at the time, didn't they. Being a whore monger isn't illegal, is it.
lol
Comrade,
Spoken like a whipped puppy! You Republicans LOST - and the only amunition you have left is INSULTS...

You know, I'm almost beginning to feel sorry for you LOSERS...almost.

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#68 Apr 9, 2013
John Doe wrote:
Does the good that he does out weigh his getting us involved in Vietnam?
Well, that's bogus considering Kennedy inherited Vietnam from Eisenhower and any move he tried to make to lessen our involvement (or pursue peaceful talks with the Soviets at all) was attacked as appeasement from the Republicans.

...

In late 1962, Kennedy was still fully committed to supporting the Diem regime, though he had some doubts even then. When Senator Mike Mansfield advised withdrawal at that early date:

The President was too disturbed by the Senator's unexpected argument to reply to it. He said to me later when we talked about the discussion, "I got angry with Mike for disagreeing with our policy so completely, and I got angry with myself because I found myself agreeing with him (Kenneth O'Donnell and Dave Powers, Johnny, We Hardly Knew Ye, Boston: Little, Brown and Co., 1970, p. 15).

By the spring of 1963, Kennedy had reversed course completely and agreed with Mansfield:

"The President told Mansfield that he had been having serious second thoughts about Mansfield's argument and that he now agreed with the Senator's thinking on the need for a complete military withdrawal from Vietnam.

'But I can't do it until 1965--after I'm reelected,' Kennedy told Mansfield....

After Mansfield left the office, the President said to me,'In 1965 I'll become one of the most unpopular Presidents in history. I'll be damned everywhere as a Communist appeaser. But I don't care. If I tried to pull out completely now from Vietnam, we would have another Joe McCarthy red scare on our hands, but I can do it after I'm reelected. So we had better make damned sure that I am reelected'(O'Donnell, p. 16)."

Sometime after that Kennedy told O'Donnell again that "...he had made up his mind that after his reelection he would take the risk of unpopularity and make a complete withdrawal of American military forces from Vietnam. He had decided that our military involvement in Vietnam's civil war would only grow steadily bigger and more costly without making a dent in the larger political problem of Communist expansion in Southeast Asia" (p. 13).

Just before he was killed he repeated this commitment:

"'They keep telling me to send combat units over there,' the President said to us one day in October [1963].'That means sending draftees, along with volunteer regular Army advisers, into Vietnam. I'll never send draftees over there to fight'." (O'Donnell, p. 383).

Kennedy's public statements and actions were consistent with his private conversations, though more cautiously expressed in order to appease the military and right-wing forces that were clamoring for more, not less, involvement in Vietnam, and with whom he did not want to risk an open confrontation one year before the election. As early as May 22, 1963, he said at a press conference:

"...we are hopeful that the situation in South Vietnam would permit some withdrawal in any case by the end of the year, but we can't possibly make that judgement at the present time" (Harold W. Chase and Allen H. Lerman, eds., Kennedy and the Press: The News Conferences, New York: Thomas Y. Crowell, 1965, p. 447).

Then came the statement on October 2:

"President Kennedy asked McNamara to announce to the press after the meeting the immediate withdrawal of one thousand soldiers and to say that we would probably withdraw all American forces from Vietnam by the end of 1965. When McNamara was leaving the meeting to talk to the White House reporters, the President called to him, "And tell them that means all of the helicopter pilots, too" (O'Donnell, p. 17).

Source: http://govt.eserver.org/gulf-war/jfk-lbj-and-...

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#69 Apr 9, 2013
ComradeWinston wrote:
<quoted text>
lol
What's wrong alum61? Did John Doe burst your bubble by pointing out how big a sinner one of your self proclaimed Gods really was?
The media sure did do a good job of protecting the Kennedy image at the time, didn't they. Being a whore monger isn't illegal, is it.
lol
Do you hold those original Tea Partiers Jefferson and Franklin to that same standard?

I would rather have Kennedy screwing around with women than LBJ and Nixon (or God forbid, Goldwater) screwing around with our national security.
Gene

Caruthersville, MO

#70 Apr 10, 2013
Woooooooooooooo wee, Comrade just a cussin like the true sinner he is. God's gonna getcha Jesus Junior!
1961 Alumni Rolla MO

Rolla, MO

#71 Apr 10, 2013
Carlton McLemore wrote:
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Do you hold those original Tea Partiers Jefferson and Franklin to that same standard?
I would rather have Kennedy screwing around with women than LBJ and Nixon (or God forbid, Goldwater) screwing around with our national security.
Carlton,
Thank's so much for your last two posts! Are you the same Carlton who was debating with me so fiercly just a couple of years ago? All I can say is - you've come a long way baby!!! You've either finally grown up - or - you've finally had your eyes opened up - to all that right-wing noise, garbage & nonsense.

Whatever the reason for your clear-headed thinking - I'm grateful & I just want to say how proud of you I am. It is NOW a true pleasure to read your posts!

Keep those great posts coming - YOU ARE REALLY A VERY INTELLIGENT PERSON!
tiger high

Powhatan, LA

#72 Apr 10, 2013
1961 Alumni Rolla MO wrote:
<quoted text>
Carlton,
Thank's so much for your last two posts! Are you the same Carlton who was debating with me so fiercly just a couple of years ago? All I can say is - you've come a long way baby!!! You've either finally grown up - or - you've finally had your eyes opened up - to all that right-wing noise, garbage & nonsense.
Whatever the reason for your clear-headed thinking - I'm grateful & I just want to say how proud of you I am. It is NOW a true pleasure to read your posts!
Keep those great posts coming - YOU ARE REALLY A VERY INTELLIGENT PERSON!
ooooh, goody! now give him a milk bone and pat his wittle head
tiger high

Powhatan, LA

#73 Apr 10, 2013
Carlton McLemore wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, that's bogus considering Kennedy inherited Vietnam from Eisenhower and any move he tried to make to lessen our involvement (or pursue peaceful talks with the Soviets at all) was attacked as appeasement from the Republicans.
...
In late 1962, Kennedy was still fully committed to supporting the Diem regime, though he had some doubts even then. When Senator Mike Mansfield advised withdrawal at that early date:
The President was too disturbed by the Senator's unexpected argument to reply to it. He said to me later when we talked about the discussion, "I got angry with Mike for disagreeing with our policy so completely, and I got angry with myself because I found myself agreeing with him (Kenneth O'Donnell and Dave Powers, Johnny, We Hardly Knew Ye, Boston: Little, Brown and Co., 1970, p. 15).
By the spring of 1963, Kennedy had reversed course completely and agreed with Mansfield:
"The President told Mansfield that he had been having serious second thoughts about Mansfield's argument and that he now agreed with the Senator's thinking on the need for a complete military withdrawal from Vietnam.
'But I can't do it until 1965--after I'm reelected,' Kennedy told Mansfield....
After Mansfield left the office, the President said to me,'In 1965 I'll become one of the most unpopular Presidents in history. I'll be damned everywhere as a Communist appeaser. But I don't care. If I tried to pull out completely now from Vietnam, we would have another Joe McCarthy red scare on our hands, but I can do it after I'm reelected. So we had better make damned sure that I am reelected'(O'Donnell, p. 16)."
Sometime after that Kennedy told O'Donnell again that "...he had made up his mind that after his reelection he would take the risk of unpopularity and make a complete withdrawal of American military forces from Vietnam. He had decided that our military involvement in Vietnam's civil war would only grow steadily bigger and more costly without making a dent in the larger political problem of Communist expansion in Southeast Asia" (p. 13).
Just before he was killed he repeated this commitment:
"'They keep telling me to send combat units over there,' the President said to us one day in October [1963].'That means sending draftees, along with volunteer regular Army advisers, into Vietnam. I'll never send draftees over there to fight'." (O'Donnell, p. 383).
Kennedy's public statements and actions were consistent with his private conversations, though more cautiously expressed in order to appease the military and right-wing forces that were clamoring for more, not less, involvement in Vietnam, and with whom he did not want to risk an open confrontation one year before the election. As early as May 22, 1963, he said at a press conference:
"...we are hopeful that the situation in South Vietnam would permit some withdrawal in any case by the end of the year, but we can't possibly make that judgement at the present time" (Harold W. Chase and Allen H. Lerman, eds., Kennedy and the Press: The News Conferences, New York: Thomas Y. Crowell, 1965, p. 447).
Then came the statement on October 2:
"President Kennedy asked McNamara to announce to the press after the meeting the immediate withdrawal of one thousand soldiers and to say that we would probably withdraw all American forces from Vietnam by the end of 1965. When McNamara was leaving the meeting to talk to the White House reporters, the President called to him, "And tell them that means all of the helicopter pilots, too" (O'Donnell, p. 17).
Source: http://govt.eserver.org/gulf-war/jfk-lbj-and-...
we were helping the french, in nam, during truman's term - using your "ike" logic, that would make truman the nam king, sorta like you being the king of shit distribution - learn your facts, fatso
tiger high

Powhatan, LA

#74 Apr 10, 2013
Carlton McLemore wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, that's bogus considering Kennedy inherited Vietnam from Eisenhower and any move he tried to make to lessen our involvement (or pursue peaceful talks with the Soviets at all) was attacked as appeasement from the Republicans.
...
In late 1962, Kennedy was still fully committed to supporting the Diem regime, though he had some doubts even then. When Senator Mike Mansfield advised withdrawal at that early date:
The President was too disturbed by the Senator's unexpected argument to reply to it. He said to me later when we talked about the discussion, "I got angry with Mike for disagreeing with our policy so completely, and I got angry with myself because I found myself agreeing with him (Kenneth O'Donnell and Dave Powers, Johnny, We Hardly Knew Ye, Boston: Little, Brown and Co., 1970, p. 15).
By the spring of 1963, Kennedy had reversed course completely and agreed with Mansfield:
"The President told Mansfield that he had been having serious second thoughts about Mansfield's argument and that he now agreed with the Senator's thinking on the need for a complete military withdrawal from Vietnam.
'But I can't do it until 1965--after I'm reelected,' Kennedy told Mansfield....
After Mansfield left the office, the President said to me,'In 1965 I'll become one of the most unpopular Presidents in history. I'll be damned everywhere as a Communist appeaser. But I don't care. If I tried to pull out completely now from Vietnam, we would have another Joe McCarthy red scare on our hands, but I can do it after I'm reelected. So we had better make damned sure that I am reelected'(O'Donnell, p. 16)."
Sometime after that Kennedy told O'Donnell again that "...he had made up his mind that after his reelection he would take the risk of unpopularity and make a complete withdrawal of American military forces from Vietnam. He had decided that our military involvement in Vietnam's civil war would only grow steadily bigger and more costly without making a dent in the larger political problem of Communist expansion in Southeast Asia" (p. 13).
Just before he was killed he repeated this commitment:
"'They keep telling me to send combat units over there,' the President said to us one day in October [1963].'That means sending draftees, along with volunteer regular Army advisers, into Vietnam. I'll never send draftees over there to fight'." (O'Donnell, p. 383).
Kennedy's public statements and actions were consistent with his private conversations, though more cautiously expressed in order to appease the military and right-wing forces that were clamoring for more, not less, involvement in Vietnam, and with whom he did not want to risk an open confrontation one year before the election. As early as May 22, 1963, he said at a press conference:
"...we are hopeful that the situation in South Vietnam would permit some withdrawal in any case by the end of the year, but we can't possibly make that judgement at the present time" (Harold W. Chase and Allen H. Lerman, eds., Kennedy and the Press: The News Conferences, New York: Thomas Y. Crowell, 1965, p. 447).
Then came the statement on October 2:
"President Kennedy asked McNamara to announce to the press after the meeting the immediate withdrawal of one thousand soldiers and to say that we would probably withdraw all American forces from Vietnam by the end of 1965. When McNamara was leaving the meeting to talk to the White House reporters, the President called to him, "And tell them that means all of the helicopter pilots, too" (O'Donnell, p. 17).
Source: http://govt.eserver.org/gulf-war/jfk-lbj-and-...
well, topix censored my latest comments, so let me clean it up for the wholesome, outstanding person you pretend to be - we were assisting the french, in nam, during truman's term - using your ike logic, that makes him the king of nam, sorta like you being the king of do-do distribution - get the right facts, oh kind sir
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Rolla, MO

#75 Apr 10, 2013
tiger high wrote:
<quoted text>ooooh, goody! now give him a milk bone and pat his wittle head
Tiger High,
Do I detest a bit of sour grapes here?
1961 Alumni Rolla MO

Rolla, MO

#76 Apr 10, 2013
1961 Alumni Rolla MO wrote:
<quoted text>
Tiger High,
Do I detest a bit of sour grapes here?
Oops!
That should read: "Do I detect a bit of sour grapes here?

Tiger High, you might also get a compliment if you'd ever post something that made sense & wasn't always bashing the left.
John Doe

Poplar Bluff, MO

#77 Apr 10, 2013
1961 Alumni Rolla MO wrote:
<quoted text>
Oops!
That should read: "Do I detect a bit of sour grapes here?
Tiger High, you might also get a compliment if you'd ever post something that made sense & wasn't always bashing the left.
And what about you, always bashing the right?

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#78 Apr 10, 2013
tiger high wrote:
<quoted text>ooooh, goody! now give him a milk bone and pat his wittle head
lol

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#79 Apr 10, 2013
tiger high wrote:
<quoted text>we were helping the french, in nam, during truman's term - using your "ike" logic, that would make truman the nam king, sorta like you being the king of shit distribution - learn your facts, fatso
Dayum... didn't know I was that fat... but hey, I agree with your point. Truman was one of the sorriest SOBs to occupy the White House. I hold him in the same contempt as Bush Jr... two unprepared imbeciles who had no value for humanity. But as you said, we were helping the French rather than taking the reins. That said, the blame for the war lies with LBJ for lying us into it and Nixon for keeping it going.

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#80 Apr 10, 2013
tiger high wrote:
<quoted text>well, topix censored my latest comments, so let me clean it up for the wholesome, outstanding person you pretend to be - we were assisting the french, in nam, during truman's term - using your ike logic, that makes him the king of nam, sorta like you being the king of do-do distribution - get the right facts, oh kind sir
Next time, give your post time to show up instead of pulling a "censorship" whine. lol

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#81 Apr 10, 2013
1961 Alumni Rolla MO wrote:
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Carlton,
Thank's so much for your last two posts! Are you the same Carlton who was debating with me so fiercly just a couple of years ago? All I can say is - you've come a long way baby!!! You've either finally grown up - or - you've finally had your eyes opened up - to all that right-wing noise, garbage & nonsense.
Whatever the reason for your clear-headed thinking - I'm grateful & I just want to say how proud of you I am. It is NOW a true pleasure to read your posts!
Keep those great posts coming - YOU ARE REALLY A VERY INTELLIGENT PERSON!
Physical suffering and the VA bureaucracy tend to change one's outlook on life... and everything else.

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#82 Apr 10, 2013
BTW, to whom do I owe the pleasure of the failing insults? And how often do you get high, Tiger? It seems to be effecting your cognitive/debating skills. No judgement though. >.<

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