#43 Apr 7, 2013
Camelot? Yes I heard the news media describe the Kennedy years as Camelot. I could never figure out why. Oh and when John Jr died they called him a prince. I didn't get that either.
#44 Apr 7, 2013
To: Guest (from Steele MO)
The word "Camelot" is used to refer, admiringly to the presidency of John F. Kennedy - because his term in office was said to have potential & promise for the future & many people were inspired by Kennedy's speechs, vision & policies. Kennedy's Presidency was referred to as "The New Frontier".
Actually, it was Jackie Kennedy who said, after, her husband Pres. Kennedy's death, "There will be great presidents again, but there will never be another CAMELOT again...it will never be that way
There was an aristocratic aura about the first family in the Kennedy administration. The Kennedy's were looked at as almost royalty.
Camelot was the famous castle in the mideval legend of King Arthur - and the musical score "Camelot" (in the play of the same name)- was Pres. Kennedy's favorite song.
There is one part of the song Camelot that says "Don't let it be forgot, that once there was a spot - for one brief shining moment - that was known as Camelot".
It was because of Pres. Kennedy'a love of King Arthur & the knights of the round table that Jackie Kennedy came up with the term of CAMELOT.
It was because of this aristocraic aura of the Kennedy family (which almost made them seem like royalty) that John Jr (or John John as he was know as a little boy) that he was called a prince...
#45 Apr 7, 2013
Guest2,(part 2 continued)
I'm relieved to say I didn't loose any relatives in the Viet Nam War. All my family members had either finished their stints in the Army or were too young when the Viet Nam came along.
I really don't have much to say about the Viet Nam War. About all I know is that it was fought to try to stop the spread of communism in Asia. I was too busy working & raising young children during most of that war. Of course, I often wonder if ANY WAR is worth losing thousands of Americans. I don't like war - and I think we should avoid war - unless it is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.
But, I do have a whole lot to say about both George H.B ("Poppy") & George Bush Jr!
I became disillusiond with the both of the Bushs' in 1988 when "Poppy" Bush was running for president. His famous interview with Dan Rather was when my eyes were opened about what kind of an evil deceptive man he was.
He sat there & treated Dan Rather in the most disrespectful manner I had ever witnessed (at the time) Of course, now-days this type of behavior is common place for Republicans/Conservatives.
Not only did "Poppy" Bush act like an arrogant disrespectful baffon - but he also sat there & LIED HIS HEAD OFF ABOUT THE COVER UP IN THE IRAN CONTRA AFFAIR!
Instinctly, I knew this was an evil man to be feared - down deep inside - I knew this was NOT a man who should be elected president.
Up until that time (that inerview to be exact)- I never gave much though to whether I was a Democrat or Republican - even though I had huge admiration for the Kennedys.
Anyway, my apprehension about "Poppy" Bush came true - because when he became president (when his ratings started tanking) he got us into the Gulf War. It's true during all the flag waving of this war, "Poppy" Bush's ratings soared. However, this was short lived.
When George Bush Jr. first came in office, he gave big tax cuts (which benefited the wealthest greatly). Then he LIED & STRONG-ARMED CONGRESS & THE AMERICAN WAR THAT DIDN'T HAVE TO BE FOUGHT!
The Iraq was was fought because of Bush Jr's personal private vandetta with Hussain. There never were any WMD's. Bush also wanted cheap oil from Iraq.
The Bush Jr started the Afghanastan war. Both of these wars were unfunded. Yes, Bush put them both on the tax payer's credit card. Never in the history of this country has a president started a war without raising taxes to pay for it.
Then, in order to jack up his ratings & give a BIG GIFT to the drug companies - Bush Jr started the Part D Medicare prescription drug program. This program was also unfunded (Bush didn't raise any taxes to pay for it).
(to be continued)
#46 Apr 7, 2013
Guest2,(part 3 continued)
While Bush Jr was president, the housing bubble burst. Now, I know you're going to say this was Clinton's bill which allowed people who didn't have good credit to buy homes. But, if you will look on Youtube, you will see that Bush was pushing for people to buy homes (even if they didn't have good credit) in speeches he made around the country.
However, when the housing bubble started to crumble (under Bush's watch) he did NOTHING to try to stop or slow it down. He did not pass any regulations on the lending & financial sectors or anything. BUSH DID NOTHING!
Because of the horrendous policies of the Bush admin, our country had billions & billions going out & not enough tax dollars coming in.
So, as a result - when Bush Jr left office - he left Obama with the worst financial mess & ecomonic conditions since THE GREAT DEPRESSION!!!
Because of his failed policies & presidency - GEORGE BUSH JR WILL GO DOWN AS THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY!!!
When Obama came in office, he passed measures which would stabilize our financial sector & try to save our country from going into the depts of another Great Depression. But, with NO HELP FROM REPUBLICANS!!!
In the last 2-3 years - instead of trying to help Obama put this country back together, the Republican led congress has been the most obstructive in the history of this country. They are doing much more harm to this country than they are helping.
With the big mess George Bush Jr left this country - it will take decades to try to put our country back on track. NO HUMAN BEING IN THE WORLD (OR WHO HAD EVER LIVED COULD HAVE CLEANED UP GEORGE BUSH'S MESS IN JUST 4-5 YEARS!!!
Now, Guest2, do you want to continue this discussion about how bad the policies of the Democratic party are???
Do you really think it was bad Democratic policies which put this country in the shape it's in???
#47 Apr 7, 2013
george h.w. bush probably got that name poppy from when he was in the cia poppy comes from opium .
#48 Apr 7, 2013
If you'd like to view a little film clip of why the Kennedy years was called "Camelot" just key in "President Kennedy - Camelot Youtube.
I tried to answer your question (on another post) of why the Kennedy years as "Camelot".
O Fallon, MO
#49 Apr 7, 2013
The only reply that I have is I think you live in never never Land.
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#50 Apr 7, 2013
Why would I want to disregard this? I consider myself a student of history and have the utmost respect for President Kennedy, much more than any Democrat of recent history. That said, I consider myself an RFK liberal and it's unfortunate that we were cheated from that Presidency only to be replaced by Nixon's racist Southern strategy, his expansion of Vietnam and for laying the foundation of Reagan's conservative movement which bankrupted the country and put us on the road to austerity, class inequality and serfdom. The Democrat Party and the Kennedy family did not lose on November 22, 1963 and June 5, 1968; America did... and some people wanted it that way.
Despite Carter's best efforts, he inherited a failing welfare state bankrupted by a decade of war and conservative malfeasance, rather than an era of progress that started with JFK and could have continued with the hope of an RFK administration.
#51 Apr 8, 2013
Thanks 61, for the history lesson. I don't agree with what you say but appreciate where camelot came from. I knew it was from knights of the round table stuff but didn't know how it connected with Kennedy.
#52 Apr 8, 2013
Bless your heart! If I were close enough, I'd give you a big hug for your wonderful post!
President Kennedy's assassination was one of the most tramatic moments of my life! I cried for days - and still mist up whenever I think about it.
Yes, America has never been the same since Pres. Kennedy was killed. And you are so right - the Kennedy family & the Democrats weren't the biggest losers oN Nov 22, 1963 - BECAUSE THE BIGGEST LOSER - WAS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!
It's also a tradgy that Robert Kennedy didn't live to occupy the white house - THERE'S NO DOUBT, AMERICA WOULD HAVE BEEN MUCH BETTER OFF...
Carlton, if if you keep posting kind words like this post - you can post on this thread anytime you choose.
You've made an old woman very happy...
#53 Apr 8, 2013
Looks like you've taken the COWARD'S WAY OUT by trying to paint me as mentally unstable.
When a person starts attacking you - you know they've been backed into a corner & have no logical answer or come-back. It's just the tired ole "don't like the message. so - attack the messenger" stratagy.
Or maybe just just don't have the ability to defend your position - or maybe you're just too lazy - whatever...
Anyway, if I choose to reminisce & return to "Camelot" occassionally - that is my perogative! If I choose to read a book or play on my computer till (3:00am) that is also my perogative!
It's just sad that you seem to have lived an empty life - not being able to see, hear or experience the beauty & finer things that make life so worth living. So sad...
Just because a person wants to reminisce & return occassionally to "Camelot" doesn't mean they go through life with rose-colored glasses on.
That is what the ARTS are all about! They are a brief escape from the reality of the humdrum of life. Just a brief shining moment of untold beauty that enriches your life beyond measure... You can fine this in music, theatre, literature, art, etc...
I suggest you try to find your own "Camelot" in life before it's too late...
#54 Apr 8, 2013
How many times must I tell you that you have no right to tell people where they can and can't post.
As far as your vague, spun answer to guest2, I think I shall leave that to her.
#55 Apr 8, 2013
When are you going to realize - I HAVE A RIGHT TO DO ANYTHING I WANT TO DO (as long as I don't break the law)?
#56 Apr 8, 2013
I see that you have joined a certain other person in the playground insults. A very mature action for a woman of you age and alleged maturity.
You don't own this site or a single thread on it. Ordering people off of "your" threads or telling them that they cannot stay is not within you power.
#57 Apr 8, 2013
This remark (of yours) sounds like it came from someone about 8 or 9 years old (or even younger)! Why don't you grow up & act like a man?
#58 Apr 8, 2013
what are you doing on a girl thread anyway john doe you aint gay are something are you? over here arguing with these women.
#59 Apr 8, 2013
Troll Doe .....the catholic alter boy WOO HOO!
$5 gas bitches!
#60 Apr 8, 2013
Might I ask you one question? Why don't you ever consider that there is validity to any point that doesn't agree with you. Why do you only see part of what the left does, what you consider to be the good and never see anything bad that the left might do? You talk of Camelot. Do you honestly think it was right for all of the affairs that Jack Kennedy had while he was in office?
#61 Apr 9, 2013
Why are you constantly blaming the left John Doe? We never read you EVER blaming the right for anything except that you feel the right has faults too. So, what are those faults by the right John? Provide links and proof that the right has done wrong to show the validity you seek? Like you will, because you know this game you play so well, its your turn Pillsbury.
#62 Apr 9, 2013
By the way...you're getting better at ignoring me, but I wont go away. Thats why I told you I know how to play you're game too....but you tried to spin it that I was playing games.
All those years of military intel and you have to ask questions, doesnt add up Pillsbury. Is that another lie you have told in here?
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