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John Doe

Sikeston, MO

#1 Mar 27, 2013
We can't have a discussion, a serious debate or even get close to compromising on anything until the time arrives when we are all willing to give up the "gotcha" attitude, the name calling, and mouthing of what is little more than political dogma. I don't care if you are left or right, up or down, gay or straight, an earthling or a martian. Unless the name calling stops, the gotcha's stop and we are willing to enter into serious discussions, then forget it. The same old crap goes on forever.

Let's make a major change in our political system. No grandfathering in on this one either. Ever elected politician gets one term and that's it, he or she is out. Once you are elected, you do the job and get out at the end of your term.

Let's get rid of these huge, fabulous retirement plans for elected officials, let's get rid of the grandiose medical health care plans, let's get rid of the so called perks.
Gene

Caruthersville, MO

#2 Mar 27, 2013
Provide me proof. Where are the facts, links or documents to support this?
Yea lets get rid of them after one term, just the Democrat ones according to you Pillsbury Doe Boy. Go sell this lie to another. You have lied more than Comrade in here
guesT

Garden City, MO

#3 Mar 27, 2013
Gene: It didn't take you long to stop the "trying to" have a serious debate. Why couldn't you agreed to have a serious debate and pick at item or subject and then everyone could start talking about the pros and cons of it. For instance, I would think both of you and other have some thoughts about pros and cons for heathcare plan. I can't believe either of you would be just con and the other pro. Maybe then we could start to understand the heathcare plan from the standpoint of what is right and what is wrong and what to look out for in the future. Forget what side of the political side of the fence you are on. Stop being black or white and work with gray for awhile and see if something is out that needs to painted to make it better. Just try......
smeeagainmargret

United States

#4 Mar 28, 2013
Gene couldnt contribute anything to a discussion . All he knows to do on any post given is to rebell .
If you say one thing he will say another..and use foul language and degrade the one who started the thread. doesn't matter who starts a thread or what the thread is about.. no one comes here anymore, these is no civil discussions.. he always cusses and pouts ..he just never gathers his toys and goes home.
You can't keep him off of any thread even if your not talkin to him.
good luck on anything you choose to talk about or debate. It ain't gonna happen as long as he trolls the threads.You should find another zipcode and go there..maybe he won't find you lol try new york or cali.lol
Gene

Caruthersville, MO

#5 Mar 28, 2013
You guys are amazing! You want to have a discussion without name calling and ALL of you are the first to call someone a name when they post ANYTHING opposite of the opinion you all have. You want to be civil, but then "DEFEND" Comrade Winston and those like him for calling me a "CHILD MOLESTER"????? LOL, you people are a running joke at hypocrisy.

Really Doe?? You want a civil conversation? Do it in public where 90%of you dont have the GUTS to call me or anyone else a name instead of hiding behind a alias in Topix.
Gene

Caruthersville, MO

#6 Mar 28, 2013
5 minutes...good morning Comrade Rove $5 gas baby WOO HOO!
Gene

Caruthersville, MO

#7 Mar 28, 2013
Doe here is some FACTS for you to eat your own words with. You want civil discussion as some of you say? Look at the name Doe, and you yourself created a thread about me alone. Hypocrite liar!

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/caruthersvill...

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/caruthersvill...

Now shove that up your fact requesting ass JACK!

“They Darker Than Us!”

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#8 Mar 28, 2013
Let Chief get this straight. John Doe want discussion about politics to be civil and without name calling.

If you want the name calling to stop, stay off Topix or as smeeagainmargaret suggested, go to another zip code and you all can have your little fun together while it lasts. Eventually you'll all turn on each other like the Republican party has.

Hmpf

“They Darker Than Us!”

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#9 Mar 28, 2013
Gene wrote:
You guys are amazing! You want to have a discussion without name calling and ALL of you are the first to call someone a name when they post ANYTHING opposite of the opinion you all have. You want to be civil, but then "DEFEND" Comrade Winston and those like him for calling me a "CHILD MOLESTER"????? LOL, you people are a running joke at hypocrisy.
Really Doe?? You want a civil conversation? Do it in public where 90%of you dont have the GUTS to call me or anyone else a name instead of hiding behind a alias in Topix.
If you were called a child molester then you should report it to authorities. Disgusting that someone would even accuse another of that when identities are private in Topix.
John Doe

Sikeston, MO

#10 Mar 28, 2013
I never said just democratic officials. I said all officials but thanks you did prove one thing.

The parasitism and name calling came out. I talked about tossing away all of that. I talked about working for real compromise.

Look at what happened. Gene, you were the first one to attack. Others came at you over that attack.

So we spin on as normal. Each side firmly entrenched. Neither side willing or wanting to give an inch. Any ideas that do offer compromise are attacked and ignored.

Why are people so entrenched in the parasitism? Can't the truth and the answers to fix the problems be somewhere in the middle?
1961 Alumn Rolla

Rolla, MO

#11 Mar 28, 2013
John Doe wrote:
I never said just democratic officials. I said all officials but thanks you did prove one thing.
The parasitism and name calling came out. I talked about tossing away all of that. I talked about working for real compromise.
Look at what happened. Gene, you were the first one to attack. Others came at you over that attack.
So we spin on as normal. Each side firmly entrenched. Neither side willing or wanting to give an inch. Any ideas that do offer compromise are attacked and ignored.
Why are people so entrenched in the parasitism? Can't the truth and the answers to fix the problems be somewhere in the middle?
Why are so many people entrenched in partisism?

That's very simple!

Just take Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, Fox & the rest of the right-wing propaganda off the air, internet & publications.

Then the right-wing will quit spewing hate & fear.

Then the left-wing will stop counteracting & attacking the right-wing.

This is what it will take to stop all the partisan bickering.

AND UNTIL THIS HAPPENS IT WILL CONTINUE...
John Doe

Sikeston, MO

#12 Mar 28, 2013
1961 Alumn Rolla wrote:
<quoted text>
Why are so many people entrenched in partisism?
That's very simple!
Just take Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, Fox & the rest of the right-wing propaganda off the air, internet & publications.
Then the right-wing will quit spewing hate & fear.
Then the left-wing will stop counteracting & attacking the right-wing.
This is what it will take to stop all the partisan bickering.
AND UNTIL THIS HAPPENS IT WILL CONTINUE...
What about the commentators on the left? What about Maddow and the entire MSNBC line up? Shouldn't they go too?

The left wing spews hate and fear too. "The republicans want to throw Granny off of the cliff." "The republicans health care is for the sick to die quickly."

Anyone remember those.
1961 Alumn Rolla

Rolla, MO

#13 Mar 28, 2013
John Doe wrote:
<quoted text>
What about the commentators on the left? What about Maddow and the entire MSNBC line up? Shouldn't they go too?
The left wing spews hate and fear too. "The republicans want to throw Granny off of the cliff." "The republicans health care is for the sick to die quickly."
Anyone remember those.
John Doe,

Your ignorance is getting down-right embarassing!

Obviosly you read where I said "if they took all the right-wing propaganda off the air.

But, obviously you must have stopped reading right there.

If you had gone ahead and read my whole post, you would see that I said "when the righ-wing stops spewing hate & fear - that the left wing would stop counter-attacking the right-wing.

And then the partism would stop.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU???
John Doe

Sikeston, MO

#14 Mar 28, 2013
All you talked about was what the right had to do. The left doesn't just counter attack as you phrase it, they attack. Look at what you just did over a simple question.

I asked you why only mentioned the right and never mention Maddow and the left wing crew at MSNBC. I was asking shouldn't both sides be considered and what did you do?

You spun the question and made a simple question into an attack on me. You want to say you didn't? How about this quote?

Your ignorance is getting down-right embarassing!

Why can both sides stop? Why can't you stop on here and have, reasonable, intelligence debates without the hype? I think we have proven that we are not unreasonable people and we have had some nice discussions. We've even been able to joke a bit without either side taking offense.

We have no control over MSNBC or Fox News. We have no control over the talking heads from either side. All we can do is control ourselves. If we can talk plainly, openly and leave the rhetoric behind, that's a start.

There is rhetoric on the left and there is rhetoric on the right. BOTH sides put a spin on everything.

Politician R: Boy it's a beautiful day isn't it?
Politician L: It is but we can say it will be that. I mean it could rain or worse snow.

It is a pretty sorry state on affairs when politicians can't even agree on if it is a beautiful day.

The left does what the right does and vice versa.

The truth of the matter is, in all fairness, if you are going to get rid of the commentators on the right, then you must get rid of the commentators on the left at the exact same time.

Is anything I am saying getting through?

I was lucky. I finally woke up to the truth. I saw what both sides were doing and realized it was the same thing. Can you at least see that?
guest

Steele, MO

#15 Mar 29, 2013
No lefties can't see that at all. Most of them don't know what the term compromise means, its their way or the highway. You are very right about one thing, they are quick to call names. I think they do that when they really have nothing else to say or can't think of anything else to say because the person made perfect sense to them so what else can they do. To me they are very thinned skinned, obnoxious, people that seem to hate the world especially Gene, 61 is not to bad, but the rest are.
Gene

Caruthersville, MO

#16 Mar 29, 2013
LOL ol PIllsbury Doe boy wants us all to discuss and not name call, and look who is doing the name calling...IN THE THREAD ABOUT NOT NAME CALLING lmao.....

Accused me of making a post in another thread LOL Doe not only do you need to see a eye doctor, you need to shut the hell up!

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#17 Mar 29, 2013
John, what the he!!

You have been ask before where you get your information from over and over again. I haven't seen the non partisan list.

I haven't seen you on the side of the left on any thing.

You were on here all the time before the election asking for only the left to give where they got their copy and paste from. Never the right. You got called on it all the time and I called you on it. How was that fair and non partisan?

I was shocked to see how ya'll treated an older woman, Alumni, when I first started on C'ville topix but she is able to hold her on. That name that was pinned on Gene is the worst thing I have ever read on topix. Where was your OUTRAGE and disgust for that.

NOW you want the name calling to stop! Can't put the past back into the tube.

Look we all have something in common, we hide behind a computer and post our opinions. You are no better than anyone on topix.

I beginning to think you want someone to start a post about you "how great thou are among topix people"

I ask again, what the he!! lying John.
1961 Alumni Rolla MO

Rolla, MO

#18 Mar 29, 2013
John Doe wrote:
All you talked about was what the right had to do. The left doesn't just counter attack as you phrase it, they attack. Look at what you just did over a simple question.
I asked you why only mentioned the right and never mention Maddow and the left wing crew at MSNBC. I was asking shouldn't both sides be considered and what did you do?
You spun the question and made a simple question into an attack on me. You want to say you didn't? How about this quote?
Your ignorance is getting down-right embarassing!
Why can both sides stop? Why can't you stop on here and have, reasonable, intelligence debates without the hype? I think we have proven that we are not unreasonable people and we have had some nice discussions. We've even been able to joke a bit without either side taking offense.
We have no control over MSNBC or Fox News. We have no control over the talking heads from either side. All we can do is control ourselves. If we can talk plainly, openly and leave the rhetoric behind, that's a start.
There is rhetoric on the left and there is rhetoric on the right. BOTH sides put a spin on everything.
Politician R: Boy it's a beautiful day isn't it?
Politician L: It is but we can say it will be that. I mean it could rain or worse snow.
It is a pretty sorry state on affairs when politicians can't even agree on if it is a beautiful day.
The left does what the right does and vice versa.
The truth of the matter is, in all fairness, if you are going to get rid of the commentators on the right, then you must get rid of the commentators on the left at the exact same time.
Is anything I am saying getting through?
I was lucky. I finally woke up to the truth. I saw what both sides were doing and realized it was the same thing. Can you at least see that?
John Doe,
If you've ever watched MSNBC you will see that most of what is discussed is bringing to light all the lies, hate & fear the right-wing is spewing out - setting the record straight (so to speak).

Yes, the right-wing noise machine, Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, Fox ect (in the last 10-15 years) have become so brazen, loud, vocal & outlandish with their lies, hate & fear mongering that it became necesary for MSNBC & others to rise up in defense of all their attacks.

Even though, for decades there have been conservative & liberal radio talk shows. They all pale in comparison with what Rush Limbaugh started & then all the conservative copy-cats who followed suit over the last decade or so.

So, I stand by my statement...

GET RID OF ALL THE RIGHT-WING PROPAGANDA MACHINE ON TV & RADIO...

AND ALL THE LEFT-WING TV & RADIO SHOWS WILL DIE ON THE VINE.

And THEN (and only then) WILL ALL THE PARTISAN BICKERING STOP...
well

Amherst, OH

#19 Mar 29, 2013
JD, you should tell the republican party 2 stop name calling. C if that will do any good.

Rep. Don Young (R-Alaska) turned heads on Thursday, using a racial slur to describe Latinos.

Addressing the United States' jobs situation in a radio interview with KRBD-FM, Young admitted that technology has impacted the market. In the process, he chose the term "wetbacks" to describe the workers his father employed.

My father had a ranch; we used to have 50-60 wetbacks to pick tomatoes, Young said.It takes two people to pick the same tomatoes now. Its all done by machine.

A little less than two weeks ago, word broke that Young is under investigation for alleged ethics violations that include failure to report gifts on financial disclosure forms and lying to federal officials.

U can e mail all the republicans and tell them 2 stop calling Obama, muslim, Nazi, communist, just to name a few.

How about telling them Not to call Obama girls MONKEY CHILDREN.

C if the republicans stop. What do u think. Can u stop them?
John Doe

Sikeston, MO

#20 Mar 29, 2013
Alumni,

If you want to end all of the right wing commentary then all of the left wing commentary must start at the same time. You are so blinded by the left dogma that you can't even see either both go at once or none of it goes. There can't be this get rid of the right wing commentary because the left wing commentary will die on the vine. It doesn't work that way.

Well, you're right. What young said was reprehensible and it was wrong for him to say. I wouldn't even thing of proposing any different.

Your comment about someone call the Obama children monkey children would be just as wrong. I don't know who said that, I haven't heard about it before now. Would you please tell me where you saw it so I can read up on it?

You have mentioned two vile attacks from the republicans. Well one came from a Republican and those comments are usual chastised by the rest of the party. When Todd Aiken made his ridiculous statements he was chastised had all RNC funding terminated.

What do you have to say about the attacks made by Democrats on Romney's religion. You might not agree with his religion but he certain has the right to whatever religious beliefs he has.

Catfish, you're right. I did say some vile things about Alumni in the past. I hung back at first by one day, I was in a bad mood and I saw the insults that were being hurled at me and I fired back. Was it right? No, I was wrong to do it.

I had nothing to do with the name that was pinned on Gene. If you want to know why, you will have to ask the person who called the name.

I have made my mistakes in the past but isn't a person allowed to change? That is what I am trying to do. I am trying to change, to focus on the issues, discussing the issues and to see what sort of a compromise those on here could reach.

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