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Contraire

Florissant, MO

#83776 Jun 19, 2013
If you really want to blow your mind, go google "The Inner Earth." The openings to the inner earth are at the north and south poles. Governments all over the world have those areas blocked of and guarded so nobody can have access.

Captain Byrd and another officer flew over one of the poles in 1926. His diary says that the plane was taken inside the earth via a retractor beam. He also said he saw unicorns and dinasaurs in a vast valley opening leading into the inner earth. It is reported that highly advanced civilizations live inside the earth. Have you ever heard of the Lemurians. It is also believed that reptilian races also live inside the earth and the greys. What we might think of as extraterrestrials might in fact be intraterrestrials. Go check it out. It is a fantastic subject. I am sure there are many secrets that the earth has yet to reveal.

It may be that intraterrestrials are keeping an eye on those of us on the surface to keep us from destroying the entire earth. Science research also reveals that the earth is not solid, and actually rings like a bell when stuck by asteroids. I believe it could be true. I have an open mind and am curious about everything.
Denton Melvin wrote:
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Yeah... the bible....
Because it's so peaceful... and talks about things that actually happened... pfffttt...
Isaiah 34:7 "And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness."
Fucking unicorns! Bad ass unicorns, battle unicorns.

Since: Feb 07

Rock Port, MO

#83777 Jun 19, 2013
Norton wrote:
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God the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit are one in the same. It is very clear most of these posts are people who know nothing about the Bible or clearly have been misled! Sorry but it is the truth.
CHEERS!
So. God came down, impregnated a virgin with himself, and then sacrificed himself? Isn't god supposed to be omnipotent? Couldn't he have wiped out sin with just his omnipotence?

Tell me this, if God is all powerful, why allow bad things to happen? 3 Explanations.

1. God is not all powerful, and such falls short of title "god."
2. God is all powerful, can keep bad things from happening, but doesn't because he's cold and heartless.
3. God is all powerful, and makes bad things happen, because he's evil.

Since: Feb 07

Rock Port, MO

#83778 Jun 19, 2013
Contraire wrote:
If you really want to blow your mind, go google "The Inner Earth." The openings to the inner earth are at the north and south poles. Governments all over the world have those areas blocked of and guarded so nobody can have access.
Captain Byrd and another officer flew over one of the poles in 1926. His diary says that the plane was taken inside the earth via a retractor beam. He also said he saw unicorns and dinasaurs in a vast valley opening leading into the inner earth. It is reported that highly advanced civilizations live inside the earth. Have you ever heard of the Lemurians. It is also believed that reptilian races also live inside the earth and the greys. What we might think of as extraterrestrials might in fact be intraterrestrials. Go check it out. It is a fantastic subject. I am sure there are many secrets that the earth has yet to reveal.
It may be that intraterrestrials are keeping an eye on those of us on the surface to keep us from destroying the entire earth. Science research also reveals that the earth is not solid, and actually rings like a bell when stuck by asteroids. I believe it could be true. I have an open mind and am curious about everything.
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Weren't the Lemurians wiped out by the Martians who had particpated in the Lucifer project and therefore severed all ties to love?
Contraire

Florissant, MO

#83779 Jun 19, 2013
Norton, you prove my point. If you were 100% sure your religion is the only way to Heaven, then you would not resort to calling others who threaten your system of belief names. You can call me whatever you want. Because nothing you can say threatens my beliefs. I am not offended at all. I just know all the bs christians like to argue about because I grew up as a christian and stayed a christian until I was 50 years old.

Realize this: Nobody can say, "I am saved." Nobody will know whether or not they are "saved" until one dies and crosses over to the spiritual realm.

Those things on our backs are not wings; They are shoulder blades. Calling people negative names is not very Christlike, Norton. You cannot hope to win anyone of us over by attacking us. But I would not go back to being a judgmental, backbiting christian for all the money and power in the world. I no longer fear death. I am connected to the Source of all life. Whenever IT sends the angel of death to fetch me, I will be looking forward to shedding this old flesh and moving on to a higher reality where all things are known. Our days are numbered when the soul enters the flesh. When our number is up, we are out of here whether it be willing or fighting.

It really matters not what you believe. God is interested in what we do. Do you act like a body with a soul, or do you act like a soul with a body. We are all spiritual beings, whether we realize it or not. Everything God Created has a spark of HIM inside it. Even the rocks that you believe are inanimate objects have a spark of God and are aware of themselves. We cannot escape God, because we are all inside of HIM as HIS Creation. So be good to nature and do good works. Because in doing so, we are connecting with HIM.
Norton wrote:
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I don't believe God is showing you your so-called spiritual path. I believe you are a sucker for Satan. Good luck!
CHEERS!
Contraire

Florissant, MO

#83780 Jun 19, 2013
There was no "Luciferian project." In the prediluvian period before the flood, there was a group of Watcher Angels who asked God if they could come to earth and dwell among man. They were so convinced that they would not be influenced by mankinds' weaknesses. The other angels told God that these Watchers would not succeed. But God already knew that and allowed them to descend to earth incarnate.

This group of Watchers, often referred to as the "sons of man" thought human women were beautiful and began taking them as wives. These women gave birth to giants who pillaged the earth and after every animal and plant were eaten up, they began eating humans. This is the reason God destroyed the earth by flood.

These are the angels that God has chained up in the bowels of the earth for millennia. It is not hell or anything of the likes. During judgment, God will cast these bad angels into a lake of fire that HE has created just for these evil ones. It will be as if they never existed.

I think these are the teachings that christians have been confused about. This lake of fire is not for humans. It is for evil entities like demons and the renegade Watcher angels. These angels had God's permission to descent. There was no war between good and evil.

Look up the Book of Enoch online. Enoch explains it all. He even gives the names of these Watcher angels.
Denton Melvin wrote:
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Weren't the Lemurians wiped out by the Martians who had particpated in the Lucifer project and therefore severed all ties to love?
Contraire

Florissant, MO

#83781 Jun 19, 2013
The Lemurians supposedly live underneath a mountain range in Californa. They are a race of blonde, white-skinned, blue-eyed people. Orsen Wells' movie, "The Time Machine" was based upon this theory. Some people also beleive that Hitler escaped inside the earth. Hitler was using technology that almost conquered the world. And it is theorized that Hitler was using some sort of alien technology.

These races that live in inner earth are said to be much more higly advanced than the human race.
Denton Melvin wrote:
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Weren't the Lemurians wiped out by the Martians who had particpated in the Lucifer project and therefore severed all ties to love?
Contraire

Florissant, MO

#83782 Jun 19, 2013
God has a Divine Plan. HIS ways are not our ways. God allows things to be as they are because HE is directing all these events for purposes that we cannot phathom. But be assured, that in the end, God will destroy all evil. God can see the Big Picture. We cannot.

Many times we blame God for things that we humans are responsible for. Human behavior controls the intensity of natural disasters. For example, the more evil mankind behaves, the more intense the storms are getting. Can you see the correlation? And we ain't seen nothing yet. It always gets the darkest just before dawn. God is allowing all of this for HIS Divine purposes. God's Divine Providence rules the cosmos, even though we often think we are in control. However, we can change our own destiny by improving our behavior from negative to positive.
Denton Melvin wrote:
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So. God came down, impregnated a virgin with himself, and then sacrificed himself? Isn't god supposed to be omnipotent? Couldn't he have wiped out sin with just his omnipotence?
Tell me this, if God is all powerful, why allow bad things to happen? 3 Explanations.
1. God is not all powerful, and such falls short of title "god."
2. God is all powerful, can keep bad things from happening, but doesn't because he's cold and heartless.
3. God is all powerful, and makes bad things happen, because he's evil.

“KC's Son got a Meal Ticket!”

Since: Sep 09

Now the basement is clean!

#83783 Jun 19, 2013
Norton wrote:
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So what is your point? We breathe air to live! We receive salvation to live eternally....... or not receive salvation and live in Hell eternally.
Arf! Arf!...
If the open air is not free, what is the price you are forced to pay for it, "Norton"?

“KC's Son got a Meal Ticket!”

Since: Sep 09

Now the basement is clean!

#83784 Jun 19, 2013
Norton wrote:
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The more you talk the nuttier you get!...
The more points I make, the less able you are to answer ANY of them. Just admit it, "Norton." You have NO answers to my questions. Like you are totally unable to answer any of the numerous questions I have asked you about your Bible.

Denial will no longer work, "Norton." You should try "acceptance" -- of the fact that you cannot answer any of the questions I have asked you.
Contraire

Florissant, MO

#83786 Jun 19, 2013
Norton, can you explain to me why the geneology of Jesus in Matthew and Mark disagree?

Matthew takes the geneology of Mary through the Jeconian lineage. However, God cut off the lineage of Jeconia from the Throne of Dovid HaMelech (King David), which automatically cuts Jesus off from the Throne of David. Your NT declares that Jesus will return and sit on the Throne of David. Not according to God he won't.

Luke deliberately tried to cover up this problem by taking Jesus' geneology through Joseph's lineage. It does not work.

In Judaism, the father's lineage decides only inheritence, not bloodline. The mother's bloodline is what makes you Jewish. If your mamma ain't Jewish, you ain't Jewish.

As a christian throughout the years, I asked different pastors about this flaw. I was accused of being a backsliding doubter. Imagine that.

Judaism encourages questions and debate. That is how one learns.

There are many discrepancies in the New Testament like the one above I discussed. This problem renders the New Testament as flawed, thus invalidated. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. That is exactly what Luke tried to do--fool the readers. But I caught the hoax right away. Can you understand now why many christians in all denominations are leaving the church. People are finally researching and realizing they have been duped.

Norton, God does not care what we think or believe, but HE does care what we do. How can you, in good faith, trust the New Testament. It was written to deceive, not to save. I gave you an example of deliberate deception in Matthew and Luke.

I don't understand how anyone who truly researches the roots of a religion cannot see such religion for what it is and why it is. It appears that all christians want to do is argue. I can understand that. I used to be just like you. But your comments prove that you have never researched anything or think for yourself. You just sit back and allow others to think for you. God Forbid!

So do yourself a favor and start looking outside the box that your parents or you placed yourself in. I grew up in christianity and remained in it until I was 50 years old. I have already been there and done that. You will never find what you do not search for. God said, "In the day that you seek me with your mind, body, and soul, in that day you will fine ME."

Smiles!
Contraire

Florissant, MO

#83787 Jun 19, 2013
Yellow Dog,

We have proven that politics and religion do not mix. I think we have scard all the political posters of the original thread away.

There is nothing Norton can say that I cannot rebutt. What can he tell an ex well-versed christian like myself about Jesus and the New Testament that I do not already know.

I wonder if he has figured out that we are using him for sport? He seems to be taking the bait hook and sinker.

We should be ashamed of ourselves. But he just ain't smart enough to let it go. So I guess this entertainment shall continue by us experienced debaters.

Don't you just love it when christians get so mad that they start calling us enlightened ones misled satanists. If he knew a tidbit of what he believes he knows, he would almost be a genious. lol
Concerned

United States

#83788 Jun 20, 2013
Contraire wrote:
Yellow Dog,

We have proven that politics and religion do not mix. I think we have scard all the political posters of the original thread away.

There is nothing Norton can say that I cannot rebutt. What can he tell an ex well-versed christian like myself about Jesus and the New Testament that I do not already know.

I wonder if he has figured out that we are using him for sport? He seems to be taking the bait hook and sinker.

We should be ashamed of ourselves. But he just ain't smart enough to let it go. So I guess this entertainment shall continue by us experienced debaters.

Don't you just love it when christians get so mad that they start calling us enlightened ones misled satanists. If he knew a tidbit of what he believes he knows, he would almost be a genious. lol
He might even know how to spell genius, unlike you DFS.
Black Bean Brenda

United States

#83789 Jun 20, 2013
Yellow Dawg Democrat wrote:
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So you don't know your math from a hole in the ground, huh? hehehehe
You need to just blow it out your as.s. You are obviously one of those internet warriors that has little to no sex life and probably has a small pecker LOL
In fact your probably some silly kid that lives in his Moms basement
the REAL Truth

Saint Louis, MO

#83790 Jun 20, 2013
Contraire wrote:
The evidence I have seen does support the Exodus as an actual event. However, the place where the Hebrews crossed the water was not the Red Sea, but the Sea of Reeds. I need to do some more research.
And, the walls of Jericoh are still partially standing. The inner walls reveal that the city was burned, which could have been by the army of Joshua. I have also watched documentaries that explained that the 10 plagues could have very well been natural events.
But could you post some links so I can go take a look. I really enjoy archeological matters. I should have been an archeologist. Discovering ancient artifacts would be an excellent experience.
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Just google it...the isralites grew up out of the social upheavel that occurred at the end of the Bronze age they moved into the hill country when the great caananite city state failed.

Archaeology]A century of research by archaeologists and Egyptologists has found no evidence which can be directly related to the Exodus captivity and the escape and travels through the wilderness,[3] and most archaeologists have abandoned the archaeological investigation of Moses and the Exodus as "a fruitless pursuit".[4] A number of theories have been put forward to account for the origins of the Israelites, and despite differing details they agree on Israel's Canaanite origins.[24] The culture of the earliest Israelite settlements is Canaanite, their cult-objects are those of the Canaanite god El, the pottery remains in the local Canaanite tradition, and the alphabet used is early Canaanite, and almost the sole marker distinguishing the "Israelite" villages from Canaanite sites is an absence of pig bones, although whether even this is an ethnic marker or is due to other factors remains a matter of dispute.[25] There is archeological evidence of the Caananite Hyksos people moving into and out of northern Egypt, though the relation of their dates to the biblical account is debated by scholars.

AnachronismsSeveral details point to a 1st millennium date for the Book of Exodus: Ezion-Geber,(one of the Stations of the Exodus), for example, dates to a period between the 8th and 6th centuries BCE with possible further occupation into the 4th century BCE,[26] and those place-names on the Exodus route which have been identified - Goshen, Pithom, Succoth, Ramesses and Kadesh Barnea - point to the geography of the 1st millennium rather than the 2nd.[27] Similarly, Pharaoh's fear that the Israelites might ally themselves with foreign invaders seems unlikely in the context of the late 2nd millennium, when Canaan was part of an Egyptian empire and Egypt faced no enemies in that direction, but does make sense in a 1st millennium context, when Egypt was considerably weaker and faced invasion first from the Persians and later from Seleucid Syria.[28]

The mention of the dromedary in Exodus 9:3 also suggests a later date of composition, as domesticated camels had not been introduced to Egypt until Cambyses II's invasion in 525 BCE.[29]
the REAL Truth

Saint Louis, MO

#83791 Jun 20, 2013
Contraire wrote:
The evidence I have seen does support the Exodus as an actual event. However, the place where the Hebrews crossed the water was not the Red Sea, but the Sea of Reeds. I need to do some more research.
And, the walls of Jericoh are still partially standing. The inner walls reveal that the city was burned, which could have been by the army of Joshua. I have also watched documentaries that explained that the 10 plagues could have very well been natural events.
But could you post some links so I can go take a look. I really enjoy archeological matters. I should have been an archeologist. Discovering ancient artifacts would be an excellent experience.
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No credible archeological data exisit for the Exodus...or Lemurians ...LOL

The real truth man arose in Africa...and at teh end of the last Ice age was living along the Indian Ocean in South Africa...that is the real Garden of Eden...from there we began our journey OUT OF AFRICA ...DNA tells us that...we we not the only inteligent species Neanderthal was living in Europe at the same time.

You at first sounded sane...but you are just as NUTS as Norton!

Here this disproves your bullshit on Jericho

what you need to do is READ scientific reearch papers , instead of Edgar Cacey...LOL

In the first half of the 20th century the Exodus was dated on the basis of 1 Kings 6:1, which states that the Exodus occurred 480 years before the construction of Solomon's Temple, the fourth year of Solomon's reign. Equating the biblical chronology with dates in history is notoriously difficult, but Edwin Thiele's widely accepted reconciliation of the reigns of the Israelite and Judahite kings would imply an Exodus around 1450 BCE, during the reign of Pharaoh Thutmose III (1479-1425 BCE).[36] By the mid-20th century it had become apparent that the archaeological record made this date impossible. The mummy of Thutmoses III had already been discovered in 1881,[37] and Egyptian records of that period do not mention the expulsion of any group that could be identified with over two million Hebrew slaves, nor any events which could be identified with the Biblical plagues. In addition, digs in the 1930s had failed to find traces of the simultaneous destruction of Canaanite cities c.1400 BCE—in fact many of them, including Jericho, the first Canaanite city to fall to the Israelites according to the Book of Joshua, were uninhabited at the time.
1961 Alumni Rolla MO

Rolla, MO

#83792 Jun 20, 2013
Norton wrote:
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It doesn't say anything about being baptized with water!!!!!
You know not what you are talking about.
CHEERS!
Norton,
I have given you scripture after scripture in a previous posts that SPECIFICALLY SHOWS THE EARLY CHRISTIANS WERE BAPTISED IN WATER!!! They were not sprinkled - they were TOTALLY IMMERCED IN WATER. BAPTISM IS NOT SPRINKLING!!!

I doubt seriously you even took the time to read the scriptures I've given you - because YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH!

Your knowledge of the WORD OF GOD (in the bible) is so almost non-existant it is even FRIGHTENING!

You know just enough about the bible to be DANGEROUS!

That is why I cannot understand why you come on this forum & spout a bunch of half-truths & OUTRIGHT LIES!!!

Why don't you stay off the comptuer a while & use that time diligently studying the word of God - before coming on this forum and making a FOOL OF YOURSELF AGAIN???
1961 Alumni Rolla MO

Rolla, MO

#83793 Jun 20, 2013
Yellow Dawg Democrat wrote:
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Interesting logic. But false. Nice try, "1961."
Yellow Dawg Democrat,
Can you show me in the bible where this scripture is false. This is a direct statment from Jesus Christ (himself). Are you calling Christ a liar???
The REAL Truth

Saint Louis, MO

#83794 Jun 20, 2013
Contraire wrote:
If you really want to blow your mind, go google "The Inner Earth." The openings to the inner earth are at the north and south poles. Governments all over the world have those areas blocked of and guarded so nobody can have access.
Captain Byrd and another officer flew over one of the poles in 1926. His diary says that the plane was taken inside the earth via a retractor beam. He also said he saw unicorns and dinasaurs in a vast valley opening leading into the inner earth. It is reported that highly advanced civilizations live inside the earth. Have you ever heard of the Lemurians. It is also believed that reptilian races also live inside the earth and the greys. What we might think of as extraterrestrials might in fact be intraterrestrials. Go check it out. It is a fantastic subject. I am sure there are many secrets that the earth has yet to reveal.
It may be that intraterrestrials are keeping an eye on those of us on the surface to keep us from destroying the entire earth. Science research also reveals that the earth is not solid, and actually rings like a bell when stuck by asteroids. I believe it could be true. I have an open mind and am curious about everything.
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If you really wnat to blow your mind...read some REAL scientific reasearch papers...you are as BATSHITCRAZY as Norton!

Here is your link to PBS (NOVA) on the Bible and the Exodus...
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/ancient/archeolo...

You and Norton have no lives!!!!!
The REAL Truth

Saint Louis, MO

#83795 Jun 20, 2013
1961 Alumni Rolla MO wrote:
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Norton,
I have given you scripture after scripture in a previous posts that SPECIFICALLY SHOWS THE EARLY CHRISTIANS WERE BAPTISED IN WATER!!! They were not sprinkled - they were TOTALLY IMMERCED IN WATER. BAPTISM IS NOT SPRINKLING!!!
I doubt seriously you even took the time to read the scriptures I've given you - because YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH!
Your knowledge of the WORD OF GOD (in the bible) is so almost non-existant it is even FRIGHTENING!
You know just enough about the bible to be DANGEROUS!
That is why I cannot understand why you come on this forum & spout a bunch of half-truths & OUTRIGHT LIES!!!
Why don't you stay off the comptuer a while & use that time diligently studying the word of God - before coming on this forum and making a FOOL OF YOURSELF AGAIN???
Well that's our Norton ...making himself a FOOL on a daily basis..he's like Old Faithful ...you can set you watch to his stupidity!!!!

ask him about the Rapture...LOL
1961 Alumni Rolla MO

Rolla, MO

#83796 Jun 20, 2013
Norton wrote:
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Baptism in water will not save you.......period! For by one spirit we are baptized into one body.
So you can have your name on as many church rolls as you wish but unless you are in the BODY OF CHRIST you are doomed. The scripture makes it so plain.
Romans 6:3 KNOW YE NOT, THAT SO MANY OF US AS WERE BAPTIZED INTO (not a denomination or church but rather into) JESUS CHRIST WERE BAPTIZED INTO HIS DEATH.
Ephesians 4:4-5
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism.
There is not a drop of water in this verse. It is the work of the Holy Spirit. We have all been made to drink into one Spirit!
I believe in being baptized with water BUT water has nothing to do with salvation! Water is a symbolic way of saying you believe in Jesus Christ and that he died for your sins. Why was Jesus baptized? He didn't have to be!!!!!
No, don't take my word for it! Study the Bible and you will certainly find the answers that you are confused about.
CHEERS!
Norton,
I am 70 years old & I've been studing the bible all my life!!!

It is you who needs to diligently study the bible & not get your information from some tv preacher or demonational church. Yes, I realize many many people have been led astray & do not believe that water baptism is necessary for salvation - but, unless they repent of their sins & confess that Jesus in the son of God & are baptized in water - they will be lost! Yes, they will go to hell!

When you are BAPTIZED INTO CHRIST - you are BAPTIZED INTO HIS DEATH & then Christs adds you to his church.- And in order to baptized into Christ - you must be baptized in water (your whole body completely immerced in water).

And yes, God, Jesus & the Holy Spirit are all the same person. They are known as the trinity.

Don't you know the bible tells that very very very few people will be saved???

On the day of judgment, many will cry out to the Lord - "Have we not done many good works in your name, have we not prophacied in your name.- And then the Lord will say to them - depart, ye workers of iniquity...I never knew you....

You better give this some serious thought, Norton!

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