Why Can't They Make TV This Good Any More???

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1961 Alumni Rolla MO

Rolla, MO

#1 Jun 28, 2013
Want to see one of the best skits ever seen on tv? Just go to: www.youtube.com/watchv=IqEMPYS9xm
1961 Alumni Rolla MO

Rolla, MO

#2 Jun 28, 2013
1961 Alumni Rolla MO wrote:
Want to see one of the best skits ever seen on tv? Just go to: www.youtube.com/watchv=IqEMPYS9xm
This website I gave is not working, so just key in: Dean Martin & Foster Brooks in a bar on youtube.

This is so so funny! Classic TV - just like it used to be...
1961 Alumni Rolla MO

Rolla, MO

#3 Jun 29, 2013
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tiger high

Shreveport, LA

#4 Jun 29, 2013
1961 Alumni Rolla MO wrote:
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This website I gave is not working, so just key in: Dean Martin & Foster Brooks in a bar on youtube.
This is so so funny! Classic TV - just like it used to be...
it's "just like it used to be" because it is what used to be - nothing new numnuts, just reruns for those who thought they had happier times way back when - amazing, 2 of the biggest drunks in the industry, both gone on to wherever, only reason they didn't do a doobie in those scripts is because it was illegal. both were known to have "toked" a little in their personal life - have a good 4th - we have a wild hog going - of course all of these true Cajuns down here have all kinds of pots going - afraid to ask what is in some!!
1961 Alumni Rolla MO

Rolla, MO

#5 Jun 29, 2013
tiger high wrote:
<quoted text>it's "just like it used to be" because it is what used to be - nothing new numnuts, just reruns for those who thought they had happier times way back when - amazing, 2 of the biggest drunks in the industry, both gone on to wherever, only reason they didn't do a doobie in those scripts is because it was illegal. both were known to have "toked" a little in their personal life - have a good 4th - we have a wild hog going - of course all of these true Cajuns down here have all kinds of pots going - afraid to ask what is in some!!
Tiger High,
You need to do a little research on both Dean Martin & Foster Brook's drinking habits.

Neither one of them were big drinkers. As a matter of fact, Foster Brooks quit drinking completely in 1964 (prior to that, he had had a drinking problem).

But, during the years when his "DRUNK" character was so well known - Brooks Foster didn't touch a drop! His "drunk charcter" was JUST AN ACT! He hadn't drunk alcohol since 1964.

Dean Martin gave up heavy drinking in the 1940's. It is reported he was a VERY RESPONSIBLE drinker after that. That constant drink he held in his hand on stage was actually APPLE JUICE!

Dean's son let this cat out of the bag. He said "there was no way his dad could have performed if he'd been drinking". He also said, that most of the time, Dean was drinking apple juice on stage.

Dean's heavy drinking routine was JUST AN ACT!!!

I strongly disagree with you - because TV IS NOT NEARLY AS GOOD AS IT WAS BACK IN THOSE DAYS!!! Most tv today is just trash & not worth watching - with very few exceptions. Except for Duck Dynasty. However, I've seen everyone of their episodes several times - so I don't even watch that show much any more. It might help if they didn't keep running 4-6 hrs (or more) of the same episodes over & over & over. This gets old fast...

I love to watch this skit about the "drunk pilot". Dean Martin's mannerisms remind me so much of my husband's. Dean Martin's hair also reminds me of my husband's dark dark brown hair. My husband had a full head of hair and not one gray hair - at 73 yrs old - when he died.

Lord, do people actually EAT wild hogs? I've heard they can carry diseases which could be very harmful to eat. HOPE YOU GOT A GOOD HEALTHY WILD HOG IN THE POT...

Happy 4th to you too -
and with that said

Kabul, Afghanistan

#6 Jun 29, 2013
I agree with you Alumni that television was so much better when I was younger. Television used to be a good escape for a few hours from your daily cares. Now just about everything is reality based, or these flashy competition shows. It just tells me that television producers and/or writers are getting lazy. There is still some good televsion, but depending on your cable/satellite selections, you really have to hunt for it. Then again, because of such really crappy television, could we actually see the American family go back to family time by shutting off the television and engage with each other through various family activities.

Yeah, people actually hunt and eat wild hogs. And most folks cook them in the ground....sort of a BBQ pit....and slow cook them for a day. Quite tasty if you got someone who knows how to do it right.
1961 Alumni Rolla MO

Rolla, MO

#7 Jun 30, 2013
and with that said wrote:
I agree with you Alumni that television was so much better when I was younger. Television used to be a good escape for a few hours from your daily cares. Now just about everything is reality based, or these flashy competition shows. It just tells me that television producers and/or writers are getting lazy. There is still some good televsion, but depending on your cable/satellite selections, you really have to hunt for it. Then again, because of such really crappy television, could we actually see the American family go back to family time by shutting off the television and engage with each other through various family activities.
Yeah, people actually hunt and eat wild hogs. And most folks cook them in the ground....sort of a BBQ pit....and slow cook them for a day. Quite tasty if you got someone who knows how to do it right.
And With That Said,
Another thing that's hurting the quality of tv shows - is we have too many choices! The original three networks, CBS,NBC & ABC have to compete with the hundereds of other networks for those sponsor's dollars.

Back when we had just the three networks, was when all the really good shows were created. That is why we STILL see these classic shows playing today like - Gunsmoke, Bonanza, Little House on the Prairie, The Waltons, Andy Giffith, I Love Luch etc.

But, I think the underlying problem is that there's a different standard of morality on tv today. Those classic shows mentioned above - are the kinds of shows viewers REALLY WANT! But, if you'll notice every one of those shows (that have been around for decades) follow a strict code of morality - no cussing, no indecency, no immorality.

Everyone of those shows are something you'd be proud to let your kids to watch. And, in a way - they were/are role models of how life should be lived. They actually set the standard for us & our kids to copy & a goal to try to live up to.

This is very different from what we see today. How many shows today have a moral message? Very, very few - if any...

You'd think some smart writer/producer would take a clue from those classic shows & pattern their writing & production into a product the American people are craving for - that will be around for generations.

I don't know of any shows that have come out in the last few years that will still be playing 50 years from now...

I've heard that in some parts of the country wild hogs are a real problem for farmers & others because there are so many of them. You'd think - if wild hogs were that good to eat, more people would be hunting & eating them.

But, it's true, I've heard you must be careful when you decide to eat a wild hog, because some of them DO carry dangerous diseases. I heard that from a former USDA meat inspector & grader (my son).
tiger high

Shreveport, LA

#8 Jun 30, 2013
1961 Alumni Rolla MO wrote:
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And With That Said,
Another thing that's hurting the quality of tv shows - is we have too many choices! The original three networks, CBS,NBC & ABC have to compete with the hundereds of other networks for those sponsor's dollars.
Back when we had just the three networks, was when all the really good shows were created. That is why we STILL see these classic shows playing today like - Gunsmoke, Bonanza, Little House on the Prairie, The Waltons, Andy Giffith, I Love Luch etc.
But, I think the underlying problem is that there's a different standard of morality on tv today. Those classic shows mentioned above - are the kinds of shows viewers REALLY WANT! But, if you'll notice every one of those shows (that have been around for decades) follow a strict code of morality - no cussing, no indecency, no immorality.
Everyone of those shows are something you'd be proud to let your kids to watch. And, in a way - they were/are role models of how life should be lived. They actually set the standard for us & our kids to copy & a goal to try to live up to.
This is very different from what we see today. How many shows today have a moral message? Very, very few - if any...
You'd think some smart writer/producer would take a clue from those classic shows & pattern their writing & production into a product the American people are craving for - that will be around for generations.
I don't know of any shows that have come out in the last few years that will still be playing 50 years from now...
I've heard that in some parts of the country wild hogs are a real problem for farmers & others because there are so many of them. You'd think - if wild hogs were that good to eat, more people would be hunting & eating them.
But, it's true, I've heard you must be careful when you decide to eat a wild hog, because some of them DO carry dangerous diseases. I heard that from a former USDA meat inspector & grader (my son).
there is a possibility of dangerous diseases in all meats -most who eat wild meats (hogs, squirrel, deer, bear, beaver, raccoon, fish, birds and many more) know how to ensure the meat is ok - risk may be higher, but that's a chance many of us take - small one at that -
and with that said

Dubai, UAE

#9 Jul 1, 2013
Naw i disagree....I don't think it's too many choices that is the problem. A commercial television company will put out what the public wants to see, or what it thinks we want to see. I think the more choice the better. Maybe it will start making some of these channels to really work for your veiwership.

I personally don't want to go back to the limits of just three channels. I like it now, that if i don't like the crap on one channel, i can flip the channel and find something i do like.
tiger high

Shreveport, LA

#10 Jul 1, 2013
and with that said wrote:
Naw i disagree....I don't think it's too many choices that is the problem. A commercial television company will put out what the public wants to see, or what it thinks we want to see. I think the more choice the better. Maybe it will start making some of these channels to really work for your veiwership.
I personally don't want to go back to the limits of just three channels. I like it now, that if i don't like the crap on one channel, i can flip the channel and find something i do like.
you must be a ditto head republican, as you disagree with 61!!!(<;
1961 Alumni Rolla MO

Rolla, MO

#11 Jul 1, 2013
and with that said wrote:
Naw i disagree....I don't think it's too many choices that is the problem. A commercial television company will put out what the public wants to see, or what it thinks we want to see. I think the more choice the better. Maybe it will start making some of these channels to really work for your veiwership.
I personally don't want to go back to the limits of just three channels. I like it now, that if i don't like the crap on one channel, i can flip the channel and find something i do like.
And with that said,
I dont' mean we need to go back to just three channels! But, do we really need over a HUNDRED CHANNELS???

But, I do agree - they need to do some surveys & find out what people REALLY WANT TO WATCH!!! Right now, TV is catering to the tastes of people in the 15-35 (or younger) age market.

Trouble is, these people don't watch tv that much - because they're always on their computers, cell phone, texting or whatever hi-tech communication there is out there. Besides, these 15-35 yr olds don't have that much money to spend anyway!

Now, if they really want to attract an audience that's got the money to buy their sponsors products - why don't they starting paying attention to the tastes of people in the 45-65 age bracket (or older). There's where the money is...

What they need to do is FIRE all these young know-it-all people who make the decisions about what tv shows are produced, and get people who are a little older with A LITTLE COMMON SENSE ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE REALLY WANT TO WATCH!!!

Then when the decision is made to produce a quality show, they should FIRE their young writers & get some middle-age or older writers (who've lived long enough to know a little something about life) to do the writing!!!

A few years ago it was reported that tv networks would NOT hire a writer who was OVER 40 YEARS OLD!!! Now if that doesn't tell you a lot about WHY the quality of tv shows has declined, I don't know what will...

A good writer must have experienced life for a few years - before they know enough about life to be a good writer. Yes, a person's got to have some years & milage (and experienced some hard times along the way) in order to produce something that's got soul - that will really touch people's hearts.

Until, tv producers wise up and quit catering to the very young - we will continue to have hundreds of channels - with nothing but a bunch of trash (which is not worth watching)!!!

Yes, I too have many many channels on my tv - but the quality of MOST OF THESE TV PROGRAMS is so poor - I have to resort to entertaining myself on C'ville Topix forum...

The big bucks I pay the cable company every month is just like pouring money down a drain... I don't know why I keep doing it???
and with that said

Dubai, UAE

#12 Jul 1, 2013
But who decides what we need? I don't want some authority appointed by God who knows saying what channels we can have and what not to have. Screw that. Now, even though I agree that a lot of television is crap, I just choose not to watch what I think is crap. I don't think it's my business if you or anyone else wants to watch it or not. I am a believer in the free market. If these television companies and/or shows didn't get the viewers, then they would be forced to change programming. And until some of these stations do, I will just continue not to watch them.
1961 Alumni Rolla MO

Rolla, MO

#13 Jul 1, 2013
and with that said wrote:
But who decides what we need? I don't want some authority appointed by God who knows saying what channels we can have and what not to have. Screw that. Now, even though I agree that a lot of television is crap, I just choose not to watch what I think is crap. I don't think it's my business if you or anyone else wants to watch it or not. I am a believer in the free market. If these television companies and/or shows didn't get the viewers, then they would be forced to change programming. And until some of these stations do, I will just continue not to watch them.
And With That Said,
Do you really think the ones who selected what we watched on tv back in the 50's - 80's were appointed by God??? Some of them may have even been atheists.

But, they at least had enough decency & common sense to put shows on the air that would stand the test of time. And you know what - there wasn't any profanity, sex, vulgarity or lewd suggestive deviant behavior scenes in any of those shows.

Why do you think so many of those shows are held in such high esteem today - and probably always will be??? Because, that's what people want to see!!!

Now, by the tone of your post - I get that you WANT ALL THAT PROFANITY, SEX, VULGARITY or LEWD SUGGESTIVE SCENES ON TV FOR ALL THE WORLD TO SEE.

That kind of filth should be banned from regular tv and only available on special channels that can be BLOCKED FROM FAMILY VIEWING!!! Then for ADULTS who want that kind of filth in their homes - they can pay for it for their own private viewing.
and with that said

Abilene, TX

#14 Jul 3, 2013
Now I get by your response to my post that you don't know what the hell you are talking about. And you like to yell a lot....isn't that what it means in internet etiquette when you use all capitals. If so, use your inside voice please.

Do you even know what the phrase "by God who knows" means? Apparently not. It means basically you're guess is as good as mine. Where you went off about actually God appointing people to television positions and some of these guys being atheists is....well I really don't know what place you just visited there, but you got a little lost. May I suggest to lay off a little on the medical cannabis.

Now to address the allegations of me wanting to watch all this neato stuff you mentioned in your response.....well....like I eluded to before...none of your damn business. But if I do want to watch it and there is a market for it and I am able to pay for it with my own money, then so be it. The point I was driving across is let the free markets decide...not government. Whether you believe it or not, you can actually decide what you want to watch.....you don't need big brother deiding all this or you.

Learn a new word for today....."Liberty". ..look it up and actually digest in your unused brain what the word really means.
tiger high

Shreveport, LA

#15 Jul 4, 2013
and with that said wrote:
Now I get by your response to my post that you don't know what the hell you are talking about. And you like to yell a lot....isn't that what it means in internet etiquette when you use all capitals. If so, use your inside voice please.
Do you even know what the phrase "by God who knows" means? Apparently not. It means basically you're guess is as good as mine. Where you went off about actually God appointing people to television positions and some of these guys being atheists is....well I really don't know what place you just visited there, but you got a little lost. May I suggest to lay off a little on the medical cannabis.
Now to address the allegations of me wanting to watch all this neato stuff you mentioned in your response.....well....like I eluded to before...none of your damn business. But if I do want to watch it and there is a market for it and I am able to pay for it with my own money, then so be it. The point I was driving across is let the free markets decide...not government. Whether you believe it or not, you can actually decide what you want to watch.....you don't need big brother deiding all this or you.
Learn a new word for today....."Liberty". ..look it up and actually digest in your unused brain what the word really means.
have a happy Independence Day
1961 Alumni Rolla MO

Rolla, MO

#16 Jul 4, 2013
and with that said wrote:
Now I get by your response to my post that you don't know what the hell you are talking about. And you like to yell a lot....isn't that what it means in internet etiquette when you use all capitals. If so, use your inside voice please.
Do you even know what the phrase "by God who knows" means? Apparently not. It means basically you're guess is as good as mine. Where you went off about actually God appointing people to television positions and some of these guys being atheists is....well I really don't know what place you just visited there, but you got a little lost. May I suggest to lay off a little on the medical cannabis.
Now to address the allegations of me wanting to watch all this neato stuff you mentioned in your response.....well....like I eluded to before...none of your damn business. But if I do want to watch it and there is a market for it and I am able to pay for it with my own money, then so be it. The point I was driving across is let the free markets decide...not government. Whether you believe it or not, you can actually decide what you want to watch.....you don't need big brother deiding all this or you.
Learn a new word for today....."Liberty". ..look it up and actually digest in your unused brain what the word really means.
And With That Said,
I was just answering you earlier post when you said "I don't want some person appointed by God making the selection of what should & should not be on tv"

It's obvious you don't understand what I said. I was just saying that NO, the people who made decisions about what was on tv in the past (from the 1950'-1970's were NOT appointed by God & that some of them might even have been athiests! But, that they had the decency & common sense to produce programs without all the filth that we see on tv today.

I think it is YOU who might have been UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF SOMETHING when you made this last post - alchol drugs, who knows???

If you don't have enough sense to see the morality of many people over the last 40 years has steadily declined - then you must be blind or very young (and don't know any better) or just don't give a hoot about MORALITY.

Why do you think there are so many unwed mothers today??? Lots of the filth on tv actually encourages this type of immoral behavior.

Now, if we want to do a little mixing of politics with the moral decay in this country - you might want to consider because of the influence of some of the filth on tv, movies internet, etc,- there are NOW millions more unwed mothers - THAT THE U.S. TAXPAYER ARE HAVING TO SUPPORT.

So, do you still think we should let the market decide if they keep broadcasting filth that has a very negative effect on the moral behavior of teens & young people??? REMEMBER, THIS IMMORAL BEHAVIOR IS HITTING YOU IN POCKETBOOK - IN THE FORM OF TAXES...

But, it seems obvious - you have no concern for the morality of this country - so, just let the free market decide if we should have filth on tv for kids to watch, huh?

Do you really want your kids being negatively influenced by all the filth that's on tv, movies, internet today???
and with that said

Abilene, TX

#17 Jul 5, 2013
Again, and read this very slowly....I never once sais anything about people in the television industry being appointed by God. Did you not even read the post that you had just esponded to? I said that "by God knows who" is a phrase....a play on words. The phrase is used as a sarcastic way of saying "you're guess is as good as mine".
I understood completely what you were saying about some being atheists, people of faith or whatever, but you said all of that in response to what I had posted earlier, which had nothing to with the conversation.
And why the allegations of drug and alcohol abuse...with the implication that maybe I accused you of it? Again, I don't know what places you are visiting in your mind when you start to type, but if you do this with actual face to face conversations, some may find it disturbing.
Yes I do agree that the free markets, which are governed by one thing....consumers....should decide what is on television.
Not sure about all of the government subsidies that the television industry gets, except for PBS, but I think none of it should be subsidised. So, not only PBS but also NPR needs to get off the government teet. So you will have to enlighten me on how our taxes is supporting all of this crap you are talking about.
And as far as my kids bing negatively influenced by the entertainment industry, well that is my job as a parent to decide what they watch or not watch on television, movies, etc. And even though it is impossible to shelter children from every aspect of indecency, immorality, etc....it is the responsibility of parents to develop the moral character of their children and no one else.
1961 Alumni Rolla MO

Rolla, MO

#18 Jul 5, 2013
and with that said wrote:
Again, and read this very slowly....I never once sais anything about people in the television industry being appointed by God. Did you not even read the post that you had just esponded to? I said that "by God knows who" is a phrase....a play on words. The phrase is used as a sarcastic way of saying "you're guess is as good as mine".
I understood completely what you were saying about some being atheists, people of faith or whatever, but you said all of that in response to what I had posted earlier, which had nothing to with the conversation.
And why the allegations of drug and alcohol abuse...with the implication that maybe I accused you of it? Again, I don't know what places you are visiting in your mind when you start to type, but if you do this with actual face to face conversations, some may find it disturbing.
Yes I do agree that the free markets, which are governed by one thing....consumers....should decide what is on television.
Not sure about all of the government subsidies that the television industry gets, except for PBS, but I think none of it should be subsidised. So, not only PBS but also NPR needs to get off the government teet. So you will have to enlighten me on how our taxes is supporting all of this crap you are talking about.
And as far as my kids bing negatively influenced by the entertainment industry, well that is my job as a parent to decide what they watch or not watch on television, movies, etc. And even though it is impossible to shelter children from every aspect of indecency, immorality, etc....it is the responsibility of parents to develop the moral character of their children and no one else.
And With That Said,
I'm going to make one more attempt to explain to you what I was saying in response to our post.

Here are your exact words on post #12 of this same thread:
"But who decides what we need? I don't want some authority appointed by God who knows what saying what channels we watch & what not to watch".

And what I'm saying to you is that tv producers & writers in the 50's-70's were NOT APPOINTED by God - but they produced quality tv viewing that was clean & wholesome & something you wouldn't be afraid or ashamed for your kids to watch.

I was also saying - WHY are today's tv producers & writers not as concerned for the unwholesome & negative influence their shows are having on people? Yes, kids, teens, young adults & and yes, even dirty old me & women are negatively effected by some of today's tv viewing?

Yes, I wholeheartly agree - morality is learned at home from the child's mother & father. But, you must be terribly niave to believe all this FILTH ON tv, movies, internet etc. does not have a negative effect on kids who are raised in even the most strict &
religious backgrounds.

And, I guess its alright for you to take cheap pot-shots at me (because I'm 70 years old) as to whether I've over-medicated. But, when I remind you that (by your strange response to my posts)
- that you yourself might be "under the influence" - you come UNGLUED!!! What is WRONG with you?

In answer to you question about - how is taxes supporting all this crap I'm talking about? When a kid, teen or young person constantly watchs all this crap on tv which CONDONES IMMORAL BEHAVIOR like - sleeping around or hopping to bed (or the backseat of a car) with anybody & everybody - WE WIND UP WITH PREGNANT YOUNG GIRLS, TEENS & YOUNG WOMEN!!!

Most of the time - the boyfriend or the "one night stand" won't live up to his responsibility & THE PREGNANT GIRL HAS TO DEPEND ON WELFARE TO PAY HER DOCTOR & MEDICAL BILLS & SUPPORT HER & THE BABY OR OTHER ILLIGITIMATE CHILDREN SHE MAY HAVE.

Why do you think there are so many young girls & women with babies on welfare??? Welfare is paid by YOUR TAX DOLLARS...

Good Lord, how blind can you be???
and with that said

Abilene, TX

#19 Jul 10, 2013
70 yrs old? I had no idea. Well I want you to be assured that the cheap pot shots that I do are in the spirit of Equal Opportunity.

That's right...I will pass a cheap pot shot to any idiot regardless of race, age, color, religion, national origin or ancestry, sex, gender, disability, vetern status, genetic information, sexual orientation, or gender identity or expression.

But hey, congratulation on achieving 70 yrs old. You must have one over worked guardian angel.
1961 Alumni Rolla MO

Rolla, MO

#20 Jul 10, 2013
and with that said wrote:
70 yrs old? I had no idea. Well I want you to be assured that the cheap pot shots that I do are in the spirit of Equal Opportunity.
That's right...I will pass a cheap pot shot to any idiot regardless of race, age, color, religion, national origin or ancestry, sex, gender, disability, vetern status, genetic information, sexual orientation, or gender identity or expression.
But hey, congratulation on achieving 70 yrs old. You must have one over worked guardian angel.
And With That Said,
Guardian Angel??? Maybe so. But, I've always tried to help my own cause by working hard, playing by the rules, never drinking alcholic beverages, never smoking, taking care of my health, always living a good decent life, always trying to live up the teachings of the bible & I attending church every Sunday.

I just assumed you were aware of my age - because of so many references by other posters on this forum. Many of these uncouth posters seem to take great pleasure in trying to paint me as suffering from dementia, being over-medicated & any number of mean spirited hateful insults.

I guess it makes some of these posters feel BIG & IMPORTANT to beat up on a little ole lady who is old enough to be their grandmother. Go figure...

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