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John Doe

Sikeston, MO

#22 Mar 28, 2013
1961 Alumn Rolla wrote:
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I have already responded to your comments about the Kennedy assination on other posts.
My last post to you was in response to your post #15 on this same thread.
I looked it up - and below is the way both income tax & payroll tax deductions are indicated on your paycheck.
FWH - Federal witholding (for federal income taxes)
State - State with holding (for state income taxes)
FICA -Social Security witholding(for Social Security PAYROLL TAXES)
SSHI - Medicare witholding (for Medicare PAYROLL TAXES)
** Some companies indicate both Social Security & Medicare PAY ROLL witholding under the FICA indication.
Also, some other companies have their own symbol for Medicare PAY ROLL witholding taxes.
SURELY THIS WILL MAKE YOU UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN INCOME TAXES & PAYROLL TAXES.
All you are doing is trying to spin and cloud the issue to avoid a simple question.

If Obama really wanted to put in that 2% tax cut for the middle class why didn't he include it in his bill that raised the taxes for the top 1% to 39%? he could have done both in one bill because he knew that he was going to get his 39% hike. Instead, the bill was written to raise everyone's taxes. If he says he wants to raise the taxes of the rich and lower the taxes of everyone else, that is what he should do. He had the perfect vehicle to do it and didn't. Why not?
1961 Alumni Rolla Mo

Rolla, MO

#23 Mar 28, 2013
N Th Wnd wrote:
<quoted text>Pay attention folks,this is what crack does to your brain!!!!!
Spoken like a true red-neck brain-washed Limbaugh Ditto-head!!!

Obviously you don't know who you're dealing with here! I'm a 70 yr old female who's never (in my life) drank any kind of alcholic beverages, nor have I ever smoked anything (legal or illegal). And heaven forbid I would ever ever entertain the thoughts of taking any kind of illegal drugs!!!

Yes, I do take a couple prescription medications for hypertension (that's- high-blood pressure) and medication for cholestrol & I also take (over the counter) Motrin for arthritis.

My mind is as sharp as a tack, and I'm not brain-washed to the point that I can't use my own brain to see what's going on in this country - like many of your so-called conservatives.

That's right, I think for myself - I don't have to depend on Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, Fox or any of the other right-wing noise machine to tell me what to think.

Oh, and I'm also a devout Christian & attend church regularly.

I was also married to the same man for 51 yrs (but am now a widow) I've also raised two wonderful sons & I worked full-time for 37 years.

ARE YOUR CREDENTIALS AS GOOD AS MINE???

Now, I will expect a full apology for the terrible remark you made about me...
1961 Alumni Rolla MO

Rolla, MO

#24 Mar 28, 2013
John Doe wrote:
<quoted text>
All you are doing is trying to spin and cloud the issue to avoid a simple question.
If Obama really wanted to put in that 2% tax cut for the middle class why didn't he include it in his bill that raised the taxes for the top 1% to 39%? he could have done both in one bill because he knew that he was going to get his 39% hike. Instead, the bill was written to raise everyone's taxes. If he says he wants to raise the taxes of the rich and lower the taxes of everyone else, that is what he should do. He had the perfect vehicle to do it and didn't. Why not?
This 2% payroll tax cut was for 2012 ONLY!

But in Jan 1, 2013, it went back up 2%. Obama wanted to extend this 2% payroll tax for 2013, but Republicans voted it down, so it went back up.

Those rich people in the 1% would also have got this 2% tax increase - if they are earning a paycheck - because payroll taxes would be witheld from their check to fund their Social Security & Medicare.

Lots of rich folks who own companies choose to have themselves recieve a pay check - from which their Social Security & Medicare are witheld.

Now, when payroll taxes (which fund Social Security & Medicare) are witheld from your paycheck - your employer matches it (dollar for dollar) which also goes to fund your Social Security & Medicare.

So, can you see why this payroll tax cut was not included in the 39% tax hike for the 1%?

These payroll taxes are a completely different kind of taxes that Federal income taxes - since they also involve the employer's portion of the payroll tax.

THIS IS THE LAST ATTEMPT I'M GOING TO MAKE TO TRY TO EXPLAIN THIS TO YOU. IF IT'S BOTHERING THIS MUCH - YOU NEED TO DO A LITTLE RESEARCH ON YOUR OWN... Good Lord, enough is enough!!!
tiger high

Monroe, LA

#25 Mar 29, 2013
1961 Alumni Rolla Mo wrote:
<quoted text>
Spoken like a true red-neck brain-washed Limbaugh Ditto-head!!!
Obviously you don't know who you're dealing with here! I'm a 70 yr old female who's never (in my life) drank any kind of alcholic beverages, nor have I ever smoked anything (legal or illegal). And heaven forbid I would ever ever entertain the thoughts of taking any kind of illegal drugs!!!
Yes, I do take a couple prescription medications for hypertension (that's- high-blood pressure) and medication for cholestrol & I also take (over the counter) Motrin for arthritis.
My mind is as sharp as a tack, and I'm not brain-washed to the point that I can't use my own brain to see what's going on in this country - like many of your so-called conservatives.
That's right, I think for myself - I don't have to depend on Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, Fox or any of the other right-wing noise machine to tell me what to think.
Oh, and I'm also a devout Christian & attend church regularly.
I was also married to the same man for 51 yrs (but am now a widow) I've also raised two wonderful sons & I worked full-time for 37 years.
ARE YOUR CREDENTIALS AS GOOD AS MINE???
Now, I will expect a full apology for the terrible remark you made about me...
I will borrow a part of NThWnd's comment and say - "Pay attention folks, this may be a good example of why you may want to take a little sip of Jack Black or a toke once-in-a-while (<;
1961 Alumni Rolla MO

Rolla, MO

#26 Mar 29, 2013
tiger high wrote:
<quoted text>I will borrow a part of NThWnd's comment and say - "Pay attention folks, this may be a good example of why you may want to take a little sip of Jack Black or a toke once-in-a-while (<;
You mean there's something wrong with being a good, sober, moral God fearing person with exceptionally common sense???

If this is the way you think - I don't see how you can have such high respect for Phil Robertson & his family

I'm beginning to wonder if drugs & alchol isn't part of the problem with this bunch of red-neck so-called conservatives these days.

Could it be that most of these Ditto-heads stay so stoned on the weed, drugs or alcohol - that they don't realize the right-wing noise machine is brain-washing them to fall in step with their right-wing agenda???
Far Away

Anchorage, AK

#27 Mar 29, 2013
1961 Alumn Rolla wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, I posted the wrong date. But I didn't miss the point that you were trying to belittle me.
HOW DO YOU KNOW - HOW CAN YOU BE 100% SURE THAT GEORGE H.W. BUSH WAS NOT INVOLVED?
Did you know about a third of Americans (or more) STILL think there was a GOVERNMENT COVER-UP IN JOHN KENNEDY'S ASSINATION.
I DON'T KNOW IF GEORGE H.W. BUSH WAS INVOLVED OR NOT (and neither do you). But, I will always believe there was a government cover-up - like millions & millions of other Americans...
It is quite possible that he was, and knowing how his son behaved in conning Americans into the Iraq war - I wouldn't be a bit surprised that GEORGE H.W. BUSH WAS INVOLVED IN THE ASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN KENNEDY!!!
Belittle you? No. Point out how ridiculous such unfounded statements are? Yes.

A for any involvement by Bush I in the assassination, I guess one can be about as sure he wasn't involved as one can be sure you weren't involved. After all, you did have a pretty elaborate alibi a couple comments back, and it sounded well rehearsed.
Red

Shreveport, LA

#28 Mar 29, 2013
1961 Alumni Rolla MO wrote:
<quoted text>
You mean there's something wrong with being a good, sober, moral God fearing person with exceptionally common sense???
If this is the way you think - I don't see how you can have such high respect for Phil Robertson & his family
I'm beginning to wonder if drugs & alchol isn't part of the problem with this bunch of red-neck so-called conservatives these days.
Could it be that most of these Ditto-heads stay so stoned on the weed, drugs or alcohol - that they don't realize the right-wing noise machine is brain-washing them to fall in step with their right-wing agenda???
,- if that's whats happening, it sure is a "good" feeling to be brain washed

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#29 Mar 29, 2013
1961 Alumni Rolla MO wrote:
<quoted text>
You mean there's something wrong with being a good, sober, moral God fearing person with exceptionally common sense???
If this is the way you think - I don't see how you can have such high respect for Phil Robertson & his family
I'm beginning to wonder if drugs & alchol isn't part of the problem with this bunch of red-neck so-called conservatives these days.
Could it be that most of these Ditto-heads stay so stoned on the weed, drugs or alcohol - that they don't realize the right-wing noise machine is brain-washing them to fall in step with their right-wing agenda???
That might explain why they follow the druggie pill head rush
John Doe

Sikeston, MO

#30 Mar 29, 2013
1961 Alumni Rolla MO wrote:
<quoted text>
This 2% payroll tax cut was for 2012 ONLY!
But in Jan 1, 2013, it went back up 2%. Obama wanted to extend this 2% payroll tax for 2013, but Republicans voted it down, so it went back up.
Those rich people in the 1% would also have got this 2% tax increase - if they are earning a paycheck - because payroll taxes would be witheld from their check to fund their Social Security & Medicare.
Lots of rich folks who own companies choose to have themselves recieve a pay check - from which their Social Security & Medicare are witheld.
Now, when payroll taxes (which fund Social Security & Medicare) are witheld from your paycheck - your employer matches it (dollar for dollar) which also goes to fund your Social Security & Medicare.
So, can you see why this payroll tax cut was not included in the 39% tax hike for the 1%?
These payroll taxes are a completely different kind of taxes that Federal income taxes - since they also involve the employer's portion of the payroll tax.
THIS IS THE LAST ATTEMPT I'M GOING TO MAKE TO TRY TO EXPLAIN THIS TO YOU. IF IT'S BOTHERING THIS MUCH - YOU NEED TO DO A LITTLE RESEARCH ON YOUR OWN... Good Lord, enough is enough!!!
Back up the boat here.

You and others on the left are trying to blame that 2% tax hike on the Republicans. If it just naturally expired, why are all of you trying to blame it on Republicans?
1961 Alumni Rolla MO

Rolla, MO

#31 Mar 29, 2013
Far Away wrote:
<quoted text>
Belittle you? No. Point out how ridiculous such unfounded statements are? Yes.
A for any involvement by Bush I in the assassination, I guess one can be about as sure he wasn't involved as one can be sure you weren't involved. After all, you did have a pretty elaborate alibi a couple comments back, and it sounded well rehearsed.
Are you 100% certain that George H.W. Bush was not involved in Pres. Kennedy's assination???

If so, how can you be so sure?
1961 Alumni Rolla MO

Rolla, MO

#32 Mar 29, 2013
John Doe wrote:
<quoted text>
Back up the boat here.
You and others on the left are trying to blame that 2% tax hike on the Republicans. If it just naturally expired, why are all of you trying to blame it on Republicans?
I really think you're trying to pull my chain about this 2% payroll tax hike.

This 2% payroll tax hike on Jan. 1, 2013 WAS NOT A PART OF THE BUSH TAXES that expired at the end of last year!!!

This 2% payroll tax hike on Jan. 1, 2013 HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BUSH TAX CUTS! The Bush tax cuts involved FEDERAL INCOME TAXES (not PAYROLL TAXES)!

You ignoramous! The 2% payroll tax hike on Jan 1, 2013 was the result of Republicans & some Democrats voting to raise the payroll tax (which is only used to fund Social Security)

This payroll tax is witheld from employees paycheck & their employer also matches this payroll tax (dollar for dollar).

THIS PAYROLL TAX HAS NOTHING TO TO WITH FEDERAL INCOME TAXES!!!

Now, in Dec 2011, Obama passed a bill to lower the payroll taxs by 2%.(for one year only). However, because of economic conditions, Obama tried to get congress to extend this payroll tax for one more year.

However, Republicans & some Democrats (in congress) voted against it - and the payroll tax went back up by 2% on Jan 1, 2013!

Good God, John Doe - you are as dumb as a rock!!!

If I were you, I'd be ashamed to come on this forum and make such a blatent display of ignorance.

This is the 5th or 6th time I have explained this to you!
John Doe

Sikeston, MO

#33 Mar 29, 2013
First of all I never said a word about the Bush tax cuts.

Second I know how payroll taxes work, I happen to have a degree in business management.

I am not being obtuse here. My point is and which you can't seem to grasp is that Obama and company talked about a cut in taxes for the middle class, and hiking the taxes on the "rich". Instead a tax hike that was only supposed to affect the rich has affected all of us.

My question is why? If Obama and company wanted to give the tax to the middle class why wasn't it done? Why did they add a 2% tax hike?
John Doe

Sikeston, MO

#34 Mar 29, 2013
Alumni,

All I have done is ask simple questions and all you have done have clouded the issue with these rambling, stumbling explanations that have nothing to do with the question

The Obama administration was talking about a tax cut for the middle class and instead the middle class got a 2% tax hike. So If the Obama administration wanted that tax cut for the middle class, why wasn't it included in the same bill that hiked the taxes on the "rich"?

Now that is a simple enough of a question and should a simple be able to answer it.
N Th Wnd

Lees Summit, MO

#35 Mar 29, 2013
1961 Alumni Rolla Mo wrote:
<quoted text>
Spoken like a true red-neck brain-washed Limbaugh Ditto-head!!!
Obviously you don't know who you're dealing with here! I'm a 70 yr old female who's never (in my life) drank any kind of alcholic beverages, nor have I ever smoked anything (legal or illegal). And heaven forbid I would ever ever entertain the thoughts of taking any kind of illegal drugs!!!
Yes, I do take a couple prescription medications for hypertension (that's- high-blood pressure) and medication for cholestrol & I also take (over the counter) Motrin for arthritis.
My mind is as sharp as a tack, and I'm not brain-washed to the point that I can't use my own brain to see what's going on in this country - like many of your so-called conservatives.
That's right, I think for myself - I don't have to depend on Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, Fox or any of the other right-wing noise machine to tell me what to think.
Oh, and I'm also a devout Christian & attend church regularly.
I was also married to the same man for 51 yrs (but am now a widow) I've also raised two wonderful sons & I worked full-time for 37 years.
ARE YOUR CREDENTIALS AS GOOD AS MINE???
Now, I will expect a full apology for the terrible remark you made about me...
News Flash!!! I know who im talking to a crazy old bat that needs to seek help for her nut case issues.Your so called credentials have nothing to do with you being off your rocker.My remark was not terrible unless you call the truth terrible so therefore you will recieve no apology.Don't reply to me until you get clean and sober.Good luck in your recovery!!!!!
1961 Alumni Rolla MO

Rolla, MO

#36 Mar 29, 2013
John Doe wrote:
First of all I never said a word about the Bush tax cuts.
Second I know how payroll taxes work, I happen to have a degree in business management.
I am not being obtuse here. My point is and which you can't seem to grasp is that Obama and company talked about a cut in taxes for the middle class, and hiking the taxes on the "rich". Instead a tax hike that was only supposed to affect the rich has affected all of us.
My question is why? If Obama and company wanted to give the tax to the middle class why wasn't it done? Why did they add a 2% tax hike?
I don't know why the middle class wasn't given a tax cut. But I do know why the payroll taxes went up by 2%- because I have explained it to you 6 TIMES ALREADY!

When Obama talked about giving middle class a tax cut - he was talking about IMCOME TAXES - NOT PAYROLL TAXES!!!

It is so EMBARASSING THAT YOU KEEP ASKING THIS SAME DUMB QUESTION OVER & OVER & OVER.

OK - SO NOW I'VE EXPLAINED TO YOU 7 TIMES WHAT THIS 2% TAX HIKE IS?
SO, DON'T ASK AGAIN!!!

THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN HAVE A DEGREE IN BUSINESS MANAGMENT & KEEP ASKING THIS IGNORANT QUESTION ABOUT THE 2% TAX HIKE OVER & OVER & OVER & OVER & OVER & OVER & OVER & OVER!!!
tiger high

Monroe, LA

#37 Mar 30, 2013
1961 Alumni Rolla MO wrote:
<quoted text>
You mean there's something wrong with being a good, sober, moral God fearing person with exceptionally common sense???
If this is the way you think - I don't see how you can have such high respect for Phil Robertson & his family
I'm beginning to wonder if drugs & alchol isn't part of the problem with this bunch of red-neck so-called conservatives these days.
Could it be that most of these Ditto-heads stay so stoned on the weed, drugs or alcohol - that they don't realize the right-wing noise machine is brain-washing them to fall in step with their right-wing agenda???
nothing wrong with the type person you identified - drugs and alchol have no political party - they are amongst all parties - your comment about having no respect for phil robertson probably describes your personality as good as any comments you have made - i told you about duck dynasty long before your son "turned you on to the show" - you said you had not watched but would check it out - only when you found out that they were church of christ, did you decide they were great and worth watching - the reason so many people dislike you on here is because you think you, and only you, have the answer - if someone disagrees with you, they must be a dumb ass republican who is brain washed by the far right or some dip-shit druggie - in most cases, to you, they are all the same - wait till you see a duck dynasty episode revealing 2 acres of cultivated marijuana on the robertson land and who finally confesses - let's see if it's a right winged, brain washed, druggie republican with a beard - i am sure you will blame the directors of the show - you know how all those hollywood folks are - one of these days you will realize that the church of christ denomination is not the only group to have the correct answers to the bible - it may be when you are in line at the gates of heaven and in front of you is a baptist and a lutheran and right behind you is a methodist, pentecostal,catholic etc. i know you have said you get on here just to get people heated, or words to that effect. so do i, but difference is, i know i am full of shit - you haven't figured out that you drop a whole lot of "heat" and it really smells
Gene

Caruthersville, MO

#38 Mar 30, 2013
tiger high wrote:
<quoted text>nothing wrong with the type person you identified - drugs and alchol have no political party - they are amongst all parties - your comment about having no respect for phil robertson probably describes your personality as good as any comments you have made - i told you about duck dynasty long before your son "turned you on to the show" - you said you had not watched but would check it out - only when you found out that they were church of christ, did you decide they were great and worth watching - the reason so many people dislike you on here is because you think you, and only you, have the answer - if someone disagrees with you, they must be a dumb ass republican who is brain washed by the far right or some dip-shit druggie - in most cases, to you, they are all the same - wait till you see a duck dynasty episode revealing 2 acres of cultivated marijuana on the robertson land and who finally confesses - let's see if it's a right winged, brain washed, druggie republican with a beard - i am sure you will blame the directors of the show - you know how all those hollywood folks are - one of these days you will realize that the church of christ denomination is not the only group to have the correct answers to the bible - it may be when you are in line at the gates of heaven and in front of you is a baptist and a lutheran and right behind you is a methodist, pentecostal,catholic etc. i know you have said you get on here just to get people heated, or words to that effect. so do i, but difference is, i know i am full of shit - you haven't figured out that you drop a whole lot of "heat" and it really smells
Idiot,....dont you know Comrade Winston will be the only one in that line? We're all going to hell on an expressway except him! YEEEHII! Enjoy the ride peeps!
Gene

Caruthersville, MO

#39 Mar 30, 2013
$5 gas by election day 2012 baby!!!! WOO HOO!!!!
Gene

Caruthersville, MO

#40 Mar 30, 2013
John Doe wrote:
Alumni,
All I have done is ask simple questions and all you have done have clouded the issue with these rambling, stumbling explanations that have nothing to do with the question
The Obama administration was talking about a tax cut for the middle class and instead the middle class got a 2% tax hike. So If the Obama administration wanted that tax cut for the middle class, why wasn't it included in the same bill that hiked the taxes on the "rich"?
Now that is a simple enough of a question and should a simple be able to answer it.
Yea thats about all you do Pillsbury Doe is ask question and when a question is asked at you... you ignore or lie you're way out of it. Then again you're ignoring me remember? Why is Pillsbury we never see you asking the right anything on issues? Why is it we always read you blaming the left? You say you want the name calling to stop but in turn name call in the same discussion you made about stopping the name calling.....yea that was classic!

You say you're bi partisan. I say your a damn liar.
John Doe

Sikeston, MO

#41 Mar 30, 2013
1961 Alumni Rolla MO wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know why the middle class wasn't given a tax cut. But I do know why the payroll taxes went up by 2%- because I have explained it to you 6 TIMES ALREADY!
When Obama talked about giving middle class a tax cut - he was talking about IMCOME TAXES - NOT PAYROLL TAXES!!!
It is so EMBARASSING THAT YOU KEEP ASKING THIS SAME DUMB QUESTION OVER & OVER & OVER.
OK - SO NOW I'VE EXPLAINED TO YOU 7 TIMES WHAT THIS 2% TAX HIKE IS?
SO, DON'T ASK AGAIN!!!
THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN HAVE A DEGREE IN BUSINESS MANAGMENT & KEEP ASKING THIS IGNORANT QUESTION ABOUT THE 2% TAX HIKE OVER & OVER & OVER & OVER & OVER & OVER & OVER & OVER!!!
When are you going to realize that that income taxes are part of payroll taxes. When are you going to realize that Obama talked about a 2% tax cut for the middle class and instead he gave us a 2% tax increase?

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