Massachusetts D.S.S. Gets Nearly Failing Grade

Apr 30, 2008 Full story: www.cbs3springfield.com 53

It's been over two years since Haleigh Poutre entered Massachusetts Department of Social Services custody, and clutching her daughters' picture is as close as biological mother, Allison Avrett, can get to her.

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Ginger Roberson

Birmingham, AL

#21 Apr 30, 2009
Mark, I would like to talk to you about your son and my nephew. I am Ginger Roberson, Debra Baggett's only sister. Jubal is my only nephew and he is still is foster care while my sister sits in Chicopee Women's Correctional Facility to awaiting trial. Email me at gingroberson@yahoo.com and I will reply with my telephone number.
mark wrote:
you think you have stories. call us, we will fill you in. we need help, our 3 yr. old was taken amongst false allegations. since,he has been bitten severely in the head by a foster parents dog, which was checked by vet, and determined prior by dss that it was safe. the injury required40 or more stitches to close. he was bitten at temple on left side. they still have custody with no, not one confirmation of abuse or neglect. every time trial time for adjudication comes up, amazingly something happens and dss delays once again. we have atty's, but there seems to be no loophole of any kind to get in front of a judge. please somone help.. only other alternative is the media...and that is risky...
Ginger Roberson

Birmingham, AL

#22 Apr 30, 2009
Besides a excellant attorney, may I suggest you read MassOutrage. I just read it moments ago and it tells of all the sneaky tricks and reasons DSS ploy to steal children. All I can say is "seek alliance" with others. May God Bless You and Your Child.
bchang07 wrote:
god well be with you all,I sorry to hear that each child has been take from a loving family to some foster parent thatthey don't even know. yes,I deep feel for everybody. As a parent we love our kids so much but when dss take them it like so hard. My five has been taking away from me by dss and it like they took pice of my heart.
Now my oldest daugther is not even in school.please help me if anyone has gone through my pain.I can affor a good layer because it cost alot.please could anyone give adives to help me.you could reach at bao_chang07@yahoo.com thanks
Ginger Roberson

Birmingham, AL

#23 Apr 30, 2009
Mark, Go to the Media. My sister did and I have faith that things will work out for her (Debra Baggett) and my nephew (Jubal Heath Baggett). Search your heart, take a chance, have courage. May God Guide Your Ways and be with your family.
gingroberson@yahoo.com Miss Ginger Roberson
mark wrote:
you think you have stories. call us, we will fill you in. we need help, our 3 yr. old was taken amongst false allegations. since,he has been bitten severely in the head by a foster parents dog, which was checked by vet, and determined prior by dss that it was safe. the injury required40 or more stitches to close. he was bitten at temple on left side. they still have custody with no, not one confirmation of abuse or neglect. every time trial time for adjudication comes up, amazingly something happens and dss delays once again. we have atty's, but there seems to be no loophole of any kind to get in front of a judge. please somone help.. only other alternative is the media...and that is risky...
C Michael Davis

Candler, NC

#24 Dec 24, 2009
Isaac wrote:
Does anybody know how I can help my kids mother get custody back of my son Nathan? How can I get the court to get him out of Providence Behavioral Health Hospital in Holyoke,MA.?
Contact your Senator, your Congressman and the Governors office; do not pay an attorney to do what your elected officials were elected to do and that is to protect you from big government.
C Michael Davis

Candler, NC

#25 Dec 24, 2009
Contact your Senator, your Congressman and the Governors office; do not pay an attorney to do what your elected officials were elected to do and that is to protect you from big government.
curious

United States

#27 Dec 28, 2009
I would just like to addd a few things. I live in Mo. True there are a lot of things wrong with Dss and Dfs, but they do not take away your parental rights for no reason. My niece had her son taken because her house was filthy and no food for him and had a lot of people staying there. They told her all she needed to do was clean, get food and get rid of the people by 4pm. that day. She did not and they came back and took him. They wanted her to take parenting classes and she was also supposed to have unannounced visits by them to make sure everything was being done. She was also supposed to visit him in foster care at least once a week, she did none of these because she said no one was going to tell her how to raise her child. So 1 yr. later they termanted her rights. It was her own fault. How can your sister act like she did not do anything, but she is in jail. I also know that if she knew things were going on in those homes she could have had something done about it. She and some of the others on here had to have done something for them to take the child away. They do not just take them away for nothing. It sounds to me that you guys got caught doing something wrong and do not want to admit it and it is sad for the children. GROW UP DO NOT HAVE KIDS IF YOU REALLY DO NOT WANT THEM
farkle

Vero Beach, FL

#28 Dec 31, 2009
i agree curious i was wondering why she was in jail and going to trial??? she had to do something wrong. maybe drugs?? if so they have every right to take the kid away if you take drugs how can you be responsible for a child, when your not responsible for yourself
farkle

Vero Beach, FL

#29 Dec 31, 2009
oh forgot i was from massachusetts and dss have a long way to go to fix the system there are cases where they don't move fast enough to take a child out of the home and the child ends up dead the system need a lot of work
amr

AOL

#30 Jan 24, 2010
or they take kids away from there parents for something DCF did wrong and when you ask what you did to have your child taken from you they have all these so called 51 A that where never filed. all made up lies.there is no way to stop these animals from taking your children from you I only wish I new then what I know now I would have never let DCF get this far they never once looked into the 51A because it came from the south Boston health center and because of that reason DCF supported the 51A that was filed on me its a sick report that came from the SBHC any moron would know that its a bold lie but once again because it came from a Dr office they supported it. well Dr's are not always right I don't know any 4 month old baby that has had 28 Dr appointments here's the best part of it all I supposedly missed 21 of 28 Dr appointments from Feb 14 2007 to July 9 2007 ( my baby was born Feb 14 2007) that would mean in that short time of my baby's life that I took her to 7 of them appointments that's so far from the truth I didn't have my newborn to no Dr 7 times and if I did I was in a straight black out may I add I don't drink or do drugs my almost 3 year old is not my only child I have 3 other children my oldest being 21 years old he still hasn't had 28 Dr appointments I don't even know why my case was still open after 2 years well yes I do my so called worker Danielle didn't bother with me or my children for 8 months then called to make an appointment to come bye so I could sign a service plan I didn't question Danielle on it I just signed it then a month later her boss Pam and her co worker Nicole showed up at my house with another service plain at first I didn't think nothing of it and was going to sign it then I stopped and ask why I had to sign a second service plain when I had just signed one the month before they couldn't give me a straight answer I then asked if I could talk to my lawyer and Pam being the ring leader as I call her started to get a little upset that I wanted to talk to my lawyer she then tried to get me to sign that service plain right then and when I said I think I need to talk to my lawyer she then said well you have until Thursday to have it signed well things happened I didn't get a hold of my lawyer bye thursday that next Monday DCF was in court filing for custody of my two youngest children saying my children where in need of a C/P that's when I figured out everything the service plain that Danielle had me sign was from the year before.the dates on the service plain where oct 20 2008.and i was seeing this service plain for the very first time its been 3 months and DCF still have my two youngest children I don't seem to be getting any where I am now being told bye my lawyer that I am not getting my children back on my next court date I don't feel I have any one fighting for me at all I did nothing wrong on top of it all I got a dirty DCF judge who didn't read not one of my
letters from Dr, Schools, etc,etc that judge is Judge Terry M. Craven I'm not the only one she has done this too she had my case prejudged before I even walked into the courtroom i didn't have a chance in the world i just feel lost about it all
LAP1026

Holyoke, MA

#31 Feb 16, 2010
Allie wrote:
how old do you have to be to get taken by the dss
They can take a child straight from the hospital delivery room if they have a warrant in hand. They can get any judge to sign one by telling any little white lie. THE SYSTEM IS REALLY BAD NOW. There is an attorney who has a website that tells parents the laws and also lets people know what they can legally do when confronted with DSS. I will post the website here if I find the address.
LAP1026

Holyoke, MA

#32 Feb 16, 2010
C Michael Davis wrote:
<quoted text>
Contact your Senator, your Congressman and the Governors office; do not pay an attorney to do what your elected officials were elected to do and that is to protect you from big government.
Unfortunately, I have to disagree. It is crucial that he hire his own attorney! His elected officials will sleep soundly while his child rots in foster care!
LAP1026

Holyoke, MA

#33 Feb 16, 2010
Observer wrote:
<quoted text>
You need a GOOD attorney. But...they don't come cheap. I've heard that there is one down around Hamden Street in downtown Springfield, but I don't remember his name.
You might try calling a lawyer. Perhaps they can refer you to him. GOOD LUCK!
Absolutely...ANYONE who is fighting DSS MUST hire an attorney. If you call the Mass Bar Association they will give you a referral for lawyers in your county who will represent you on a sliding scale fee. If you are not happy with one lawyer, keep trying until you find one that will FIGHT for you and your family.
LAP1026

Holyoke, MA

#34 Feb 16, 2010
Ginger Roberson wrote:
Besides a excellant attorney, may I suggest you read MassOutrage. I just read it moments ago and it tells of all the sneaky tricks and reasons DSS ploy to steal children. All I can say is "seek alliance" with others. May God Bless You and Your Child.
<quoted text>
AGREED!!! LEGAL KIDNAPPING!
I'm sure there are many cases where DSS or CPS has a legitimate neglect or abuse case. There are, however, so many cases in which Child Protective Services legally "kidnap" peoples children. No one can really believe this actually goes on. It does sound SO UNBELIEVABLE. The truth is that Massachusetts DSS (or whatever they call themselves these days) tries to get babies into their custody without getting warrants because once they have "physical" custody, a judge will allow them to have "LEGAL" custody when it goes to court. The court ALWAYS rules in favor of DSS unless parents have enough knowledge and MONEY to go into court with a good lawyer to speak for them in order to have the child placed back with the mother(family). All it takes is for someone (and that means it can be anyone with a grudge or wanting to cause trouble) to make a complaint and any story will do. It can even be the parent themselves asking for help and not knowing any better. DSS wants young children, especially babies, because once in their legal custody, a baby will remain in the system for a year, at which time DSS hopes to adopt out that baby and the organization is rewarded with hundreds of thousands of dollars in some cases. Recently there was the woman who went on fertility drugs to try to get pregnant. She ended up having 6 babies. The last I heard, Childrens Services were trying to get custody of the 6 babies because they felt that she did not use good judgement when trying to get pregnant since she was on welfare at the time! No issues of neglect or abuse...just poor judgement! They could have made a bundle of money from "6" BABIES! I spoke with the DSS lawyer they had on the case. She was so Gung Ho on getting those babies from that Mother. She refused to speak to me further when I let her know what I thought of their plans. Sure, that Mom was not too bright using fertility drugs when she was having trouble supporting the two kids she already had but where do they draw the line!! You can't just go into someones home and take their children because they are STUPID or "maybe someday" life might not be soooo perfect for the family. God forbid, they've started taking peoples children from them because they are POOR! That is happening right now, under our noses, since they target poor single women who cannot afford to fight in court and judges will not allow a woman to speak for herself if she goes in without a lawyer. I know, it happened to my daughter and myself! Her "EX" and his Mother wanted custody of my granddaughter. While my daughter was working DSS showed up at my door with a Policeman while I was babysitting. I was terrified and confused. I handed over my 6 month old grandbaby, not knowing that I didn't have to without a warrant. Once they had my granddaughter in their arms it was too late! I began doing a tremendous amount of research on this subject with particular emphasis on Massachusetts DSS. My daughter sobbed and moaned for months while I researched to try to contain my RAGE. If it hadn't happened in my family, I sure wouldn't have believed it either! By the way, it took about 6 months but once my daughter found a good lawyer she and her daughter were back together! Babynapping is a crime against humanity!
LAP1026

Holyoke, MA

#35 Feb 16, 2010
amr wrote:
or they take kids away from there parents for something DCF did wrong and when you ask what you did to have your child taken from you they have all these so called 51 A that where never filed. all made up lies.there is no way to stop these animals from taking your children from you I only wish I new then what I know now I would have never let DCF get this far they never once looked into the 51A because it came from the south Boston health center and because of that reason DCF supported the 51A that was filed on me its a sick report that came from the SBHC any moron would know that its a bold lie but once again because it came from a Dr office they supported it. well Dr's are not always right I don't know any 4 month old baby that has had 28 Dr appointments here's the best part of it all I supposedly missed 21 of 28 Dr appointments from Feb 14 2007 to July 9 2007 ( my baby was born Feb 14 2007) that would mean in that short time of my baby's life that I took her to 7 of them appointments that's so far from the truth I didn't have my newborn to no Dr 7 times and if I did I was in a straight black out may I add I don't drink or do drugs my almost 3 year old is not my only child I have 3 other children my oldest being 21 years old he still hasn't had 28 Dr appointments I don't even know why my case was still open after 2 years well yes I do my so called worker Danielle didn't bother with me or my children for 8 months then called to make an appointment to come bye so I could sign a service plan I didn't question Danielle on it I just signed it then a month later her boss Pam and her co worker Nicole showed up at my house with another service plain at first I didn't think nothing of it and was going to sign it then I stopped and ask why I had to sign a second service plain when I had just signed one the month before they couldn't give me a straight answer I then asked if I could talk to my lawyer and Pam being the ring leader as I call her started to get a little upset that I wanted to talk to my lawyer she then tried to get me to sign that service plain right then and when I said I think I need to talk to my lawyer she then said well you have until Thursday to have it signed well things happened I didn't get a hold of my lawyer bye thursday that next Monday DCF was in court filing for custody of my two youngest children saying my children where in need of a C/P that's when I figured out everything the service plain that Danielle had me sign was from the year before.the dates on the service plain where oct 20 2008.and i was seeing this service plain for the very first time its been 3 months and DCF still have my two youngest children I don't seem to be getting any where I am now being told bye my lawyer that I am not getting my children back on my next court date I don't feel I have any one fighting for me at all I did nothing wrong on top of it all I got a dirty DCF judge who didn't read not one of my
letters from Dr, Schools, etc,etc that judge is Judge Terry M. Craven I'm not the only one she has done this too she had my case prejudged before I even walked into the courtroom i didn't have a chance in the world i just feel lost about it all
MY GOD. Reading your story brought me back a year and a half when my daughter was going through this same mess. It didn't seem like anyone was on her side. She felt sooo helpless. The judge wouldn't even look at all of the paperwork she had brought to prove her case! Totally ignored this evidence that would have shown him that the baby was taken for no reason! Just awful!!!! You have our sympathies. Neither of us will ever get over what went on. And I will always be the first to understand the hopeless feelings that a parent has when their child or children have been stolen from their mother. I truly wish I could help you in some way. If I come across any information which might help you even in a small way, I'll post it here for you.
shelly

United States

#36 Mar 10, 2010
my issue is with the greenfield dss office but the situation of false allegations are the same. i am a criminal justice student and am building my case against them. if n e 1 would like to help me my e-mail is dk34ssssj@yahoo.com please contact me. united we stand... divided we fall!!
shelly

United States

#37 Mar 10, 2010
hey curious... have u ever lived in mass? here dcf are able to act as though they are above the law! being a criminal justice student i know the laws and i know they have broken them. one allegation that was put on me was that i punch a 5 yr old fist... have u ever given ur buddies dabs? yeah well, when he came home from school he said he had a good day... i said good job buddy and gave him dabs... the dcf worker presented to a judge that i punch him... not what happened!! changing the context or a simple word in a sentence can completely change how people look at things!! maybe ur niece had some issues but that is NOT always the case!!
curious wrote:
I would just like to addd a few things. I live in Mo. True there are a lot of things wrong with Dss and Dfs, but they do not take away your parental rights for no reason. My niece had her son taken because her house was filthy and no food for him and had a lot of people staying there. They told her all she needed to do was clean, get food and get rid of the people by 4pm. that day. She did not and they came back and took him. They wanted her to take parenting classes and she was also supposed to have unannounced visits by them to make sure everything was being done. She was also supposed to visit him in foster care at least once a week, she did none of these because she said no one was going to tell her how to raise her child. So 1 yr. later they termanted her rights. It was her own fault. How can your sister act like she did not do anything, but she is in jail. I also know that if she knew things were going on in those homes she could have had something done about it. She and some of the others on here had to have done something for them to take the child away. They do not just take them away for nothing. It sounds to me that you guys got caught doing something wrong and do not want to admit it and it is sad for the children. GROW UP DO NOT HAVE KIDS IF YOU REALLY DO NOT WANT THEM
shelly

United States

#38 Mar 10, 2010
well said farkle... however... there are also cases where they pull children from loving homes and place them in unfit foster care where the child ends up dead as well!!
farkle wrote:
oh forgot i was from massachusetts and dss have a long way to go to fix the system there are cases where they don't move fast enough to take a child out of the home and the child ends up dead the system need a lot of work
Been There

Shelburne Falls, MA

#39 Mar 11, 2010
LAP1026 wrote:
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Unfortunately, I have to disagree. It is crucial that he hire his own attorney! His elected officials will sleep soundly while his child rots in foster care!
From experience...I am aware of someone who asked for help from a state senator and the attorney general. That was close to 2 years ago. Silence, zilch, nothing, not a word.

What folks have to understand is that they're all part of the same club i.e. state employees. It's about jobs and careers. They will not cross each other unless it is in their interest to do so.
Alysssa Davenport

Lufkin, TX

#40 Mar 11, 2010
Jasonsmom wrote:
Debra, I can sure relate to you! I'm sorry you and your son have been through the wringer at the hands of DSS. My now 3 year old son and I have too. I'm going through a TPR trial, as we speak. My baby, Jason, was taken from me in December. The reason has changed many times. First they took him and put him in "respite" for the weekend. That weekend is still going on and now I'm going to lose him. The reasons are rediculous and extremely frivolous. I never abused him. I never neglected him. I love the ground he walks on, and even though he's been away from me 10+ months, he knows it!
Yes, everything is a big secret. That way, when they go to terminate your parental rights, you have no clue what you're defending yourself against, if you are unfortuanate enough, like me, to have things get that out of hand. It sucks, to say the very least. I learned, after the fact, that my son, who has a speech delay, was placed in a predominantly spanish speaking home. Imagine how frightening and traumatic that must've been for my poor baby? You want to fight? So do I. How can we get together and do something about DCF and their crimes against humanity? Anyone who has experience with this, please, let's talk and see what we can do.
so my daughter is almost 15 months and her father picked her up from our house in mass and brought her to his house in ny for the weekend... with no call and no show the nday after he was supposed to bring her home he got on a plane and took her to texas.. i fought and got her back after police and cps in texas got involed i got my baby back... now dss in mass is involved for something her father did... and now my daughter is going to be taken away what can i do?!?!?!
LAP1026

Holyoke, MA

#41 Mar 13, 2010
Alysssa Davenport wrote:
<quoted text>
so my daughter is almost 15 months and her father picked her up from our house in mass and brought her to his house in ny for the weekend... with no call and no show the nday after he was supposed to bring her home he got on a plane and took her to texas.. i fought and got her back after police and cps in texas got involed i got my baby back... now dss in mass is involved for something her father did... and now my daughter is going to be taken away what can i do?!?!?!
I am so sorry to hear what has happened to you and, unfortunately, you are not alone. I've heard here in town, a story about a parent who went to DCF/DSS to try to get some parenting help and ended having them remove her kids. It happened about 6 months after my daughter had her 6 month old removed through illegal means and lies. I hope you have or can get your hands on enough money to put up as a retainer for a lawyer. Shop around. Try to find one who knows the underhanded things that child services does to take and keep kids. Try to find one from a different county or one who is not friends with the DCF lawyer or the lawyer who will be choosen to represent your baby/child. You need a lawyer who is as ruthless as the lawyers who will fight against you. Good luck. Please keep us informed as to what develops.

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