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OK Health Care Freedom Amendment, State Question 756

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Dr Jones

Memphis, TN

#72392 Jul 3, 2014
What God Has In Mind For Hobby Lobby Judges:-----Doomsday?

The Christians seem to be ruling the free world, at least in the U.S. Instead of petitioning Congress to change the Affordable Care Act (ACA) aka Obamacare, Hobby Lobby skipped over the traditional route and got downright litigious.

And the Supreme Court ruled in its favor. In the lawsuit the court said that the company’s “deeply held religious beliefs” against contraception makes Hobby Lobby an exception to Obamacare, favoring the business owner’s religious beliefs over those of its employees. Now the thousands and thousands of Hobby Lobby employees and their dependents have to bow in favor of the boss’ religious views.

The Christian judges said their ruling was,

strictly limited to women’s contraception.

But Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, in her dissent went viral,

Would the exemption…for employers with religiously grounded objections to the use of certain contraceptives extend to employers with religiously grounded objections to blood transfusions (Jehovah’s Witnesses); antidepressants (Scientologists); medications derived from pigs, including anesthesia, intravenous fluids, and pills coated with gelatin (certain Muslims, Jews, and Hindus); and vaccinations (Christian Scientists, among others)

Not so sure how the justices would feel if Hobby Lobby was Sharia ruled. But let’s just stick to the “real” Bible for this tradition group of guys. It seems all six U.S. Supreme Court Justices who favored Hobby Lobby are Roman Catholics: Samuel Alito, Anthony Kennedy, John Roberts, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas. That’s a group of good Christians fellows.

So with their strong religious foundation, these guys should know the big seven crimes that really get on God’s nerves, right? Take Proverbs 6:16-19:

Haughty eyes
A lying tongue
Hands that shed innocent blood
A heart that devises wicked plans
Feet that make haste to run to evil
A false witness who breathes out lies
One who sows discord among brothers
Oops. There is a problem right away. Check out the looks on the faces of all these justices. Don’t you see “haughty eyes” all over the place? And let’s face it. By definition any attorneys “bear false witness who breathes out lies,” which is pretty much like having a “lying tongue.”

Each of these proclaimed benchslapping justices definitely “sows discord among brothers.” Then there is the silent justice, Clarence Thomas. Since he doesn’t talk, is he really paying attention to the court? Or is he up there he who “divises wicked plans.” And we know for certain that Scalia has “feet that make haste to run to evil” aka Dick Cheney and his infamous hunting trips. And never mind how much blood they could spill with death penalty rulings.

So what is Chief Justice John Roberts‘ story?

John Roberts apparently has always taken his Catholic faith seriously…His parents took him to mass faithfully and sent him to….an all-male Catholic prep school..Assigned to prepare a 15-minute oral report for theology class, Roberts plowed through seven books, then lectured his fellow students for three consecutive days of class.

Woah – a 3-day presentation in high school? That is serious, need I say obsessive studying. So let’s give him the case of “Whoever curses his father or his mother shall be put to death.”(Exodus 21:17) Seems a little harsh, doesn’t it? But as a good Christian, Roberts should be able to pull it off.

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Dr Jones

Memphis, TN

#72393 Jul 3, 2014
Then there is Justice Samuel Alito who has to attend Catholic Mass at two different parishes. Alito’s mother tells us about her son.

Alito’s mother stated that her son grew up participating in Masses and reading from the Bible, adding that he still holds his Catholic values.

Okay, let’s give Alito a case he should be able to understand well.

…while he was going up on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him, saying,“Go up, you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!” And he turned around, and when he saw them, he cursed them in the name of the Lord. And two she-bears came out of the woods and tore forty-two of the boys.(2 Kings 2:23-24)

That sounds like something Alito could handle, conjuring up a couple of upset she-bears to tear apart little boys who teased him.

Then there is bad boy Justice Antonin Scalia. The guy is an ultra-conservative Christian!

This kid was a conservative when he was 17 years old. An archconservative Catholic. He could have been a member of the Curia (Vatican court). He was the top student in the class. He was brilliant, way above everybody else.

Okay smart guy, this case is made for you. After all on the bench you come off as stubborn, rebellious, following your own rules

…”This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.” Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones…(Deuteronomy 21:18-21)

Yes, Scalia probably could pull up his black robes and head on out to the stone pile to cast the first stone.

Justice Anthony Kennedy was an altar boy,

As a young child, Kennedy served as an altar boy at his Catholic church.

Kennedy is the new “swing” vote. Unfortunately he swings conservative Christian most of the time. And swinging has its consequence. He can have this case,

Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.(1 Samuel 15:3)

Somehow I just can’t see Kennedy killing sheep. So swing back to the liberals on this one Justice Kennedy.

And finally there is Justice Clarence Thomas who thought about being a priest. That’s right, a priest. He,

left his black high school after two years to attend St. John Vianney Minor Seminary, an all-white boarding school located just outside of Savannah dedicated to training priests.

The man of few words might find this case interesting enough to hold his interest,

When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman’s husband shall impose on him, and he shall pay as the judges determine. But if there is harm, then you shall pay life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.(Exodus 21:22-25)

Thomas could probably handle this case. But it is hard to tell. I understand that he is capable of speech, though few have actually seen him speak.

But Justices, judge ye not lest ye be judged.(Matthew 7:1-3) You’re in big trouble now judgers, because the Bible has a pretty hefty sentence for such a dire crime.

And if your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life crippled or lame than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into the eternal fire.(Matthew 18:8)

Sounds as if these good Christians are going to be in for tough time for a time.

But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.(2 Peter 3
Helen

Memphis, TN

#72394 Jul 3, 2014
It will reflect..
Dr Jones

Memphis, TN

#72395 Jul 3, 2014
CNN Blast Hobby Lobby For Investing In Birth Control While They Deny It To Their Female Employees

Conservative Christians often engage in blatant hypocrisy, but Hobby Lobby is a Christian-owned business that takes it to a whole new level.
On Monday, five male conservative Supreme Court Justices ruled that Hobby Lobby- a Christian owned business- can force their religious beliefs down the throats of their female employees. The company now doesn’t have to provide contraception coverage in their employee health insurance plan. But Hobby Lobby is run by a family of hypocrites and their hypocrisy proves that their “sincerely held” religious beliefs are full of crap.

Earlier this year, it was revealed that Hobby Lobby has investments in manufacturers that make birth control. That includes Tevo Pharmaceutical Industry, which makes Plan B, and Actavus, the makers of the generic version of Plan B and the distributor of Ella, another birth control medication. In addition, Hobby Lobby also invests in healthcare insurance companies that cover abortion and has many of its products made in China where the government funds abortion and birth control with taxpayer dollars. They also used to offer birth control in their insurance plan. For all the whining Hobby Lobby’s owners have done against Obamacare’s contraception mandate, they sure do have their money deep tied up in the contraception industry. They never complained about birth control before it became a mandate to protect women’s health. And that’s why CNN blasted Hobby Lobby on Wednesday.

CNN Legal View host Ashleigh Banfield called out Hobby Lobby for being hypocrites.

“I don’t even know where to begin on this one. I kept thinking to myself, this had to be an accident. But then I thought, it’s no accident when you are in the middle of the biggest political storm — all the way to the Supreme Court — and, yet, your guys aren’t aware of what your investments are in your very, very large 401(k)?”

CNN Business Correspondent Alison Kosik agreed and delivered the knockout punch in the process. While it’s a slight possibility that the owners made an error and could pull those investments immediately so that their portfolio is in line with their beliefs,

“It would mean that Hobby Lobby employees would most likely have higher fees. But if you ask me, my thought is, if they’re that fervent about upholding their biblical principles, maybe that should include their investments too. That’s putting their money where their mouth is.”

The owners of Hobby Lobby are certainly hypocrites. While they invest in the very birth control that prevents the abortions they despise, they deny the women who work for them from preventing themselves from having unwanted pregnancies. But the bigger villain here is the Supreme Court.

The Supreme Court has outlived its usefulness as a judicial institution. It no longer stands for justice and equality. It has become a partisan panel in which five so-called puppet “judges” force extreme religious conservatism upon the nation on behalf of wealthy right-wingers. The Bible is not the law of this land, and last time I checked, the Constitution protects everyone and forbids placing one religion over another. But they consistently shred the Constitution to do this, which is worse than anything Hobby Lobby has done. This ruling basically gives conservative Christians a way to use religion to do anything they want, despite what the law is. Therefore, the five “judges” who opened Pandora’s Box should be drummed out from behind their hiding place behind the bench and forced to hand over their robes in disgrace for completely destroying the rule of law and Constitutional values they swore to defend.
Dix

Memphis, TN

#72396 Jul 3, 2014
Money trumps "christian values" every time. They want high returns, which Big Pharma provides, so when comes the day that Abortion-Mandate China-Lobby, I mean Hobby Lobby, goes belly up, they will be able to rob a richer retirement fund on the way out, leaving their flock of former-employees n the dust. And they'll claim it's god's will.
Matty

Memphis, TN

#72398 Jul 3, 2014
Any company that restricts contraceptive choice should be required to provide maternity and paternity leave to all employees. It's only fair.
Donnie

Memphis, TN

#72399 Jul 3, 2014
It’s not just Hobby Lobby’s investments in pharma companies that make birth control pills that is outrageous. They buy heavily from China.
China where the workers are paid a pittance to work in unsafe conditions for long hours. Hobby Lobby supports that by buying Chinese goods. China suppresses religious freedom. HL a “Christian” company contributes to that buy their involvement in being a consumer of Chinese goods. China often forces mandatory abortions on its female citizens as a form of birth control. HL is apparently OK with that, too, as they continue to buy cheaply made goods from China.

So, birth control is OK, as long as HL can make a profit. Birth control ISN’T OK when HL has to pay for it. And THEN it becomes an issue about religious freedom, not economics. Suppression of religion in China, the same. Virtual slavery of Chinese workers, well slavery is OK in the bible so it’s OK in China. And keeps those prices down. Mandatory abortions, sure, no problem, as long as our corporate greed is satisfied, says religious Hobby Lobby. And the Corporate Supreme Court agrees. Disgusting and hypocritical on so many levels
Linda

Memphis, TN

#72400 Jul 3, 2014
BOYCOTT HOBBY LOBBY
Joyce

Memphis, TN

#72401 Jul 3, 2014
Law professor: Ted Cruz is knowingly lying about bill to ‘repeal’ the First Amendment

Thursday, July 3, 2014 11:08 EDT

The dean of the University of California, Irvine’s law school wrote that Texas Senator Ted Cruz should be “ashamed” of his repeated claim that a Senate bill designed to regulate campaign spending would “repeal the free speech protections of the First Amendment.”

Writing at The Hill, Erwin Chemerinsky argued that Sen. Cruz has “lied about what the amendment would do.” The amendment in question, currently being debated in the Senate Judiciary Committee, would undo the damage to campaign finance law inflicted by the Supreme Court in its 2010 Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission decision.

In that decision, the Court claimed that it was unconstitutional to prohibit corporations from contributing unlimited amounts of money to election campaigns because donations are a form of protected speech. The proposed amendment before the Senate Judiciary Committee would merely allow federal and state governments to regulate campaign contributions.

According to Chemerinsky, the amendment would merely state that,“[t]o advance democratic self-government and political equality, and to protect the integrity of government and the electoral process, Congress and the States may regulate and set reasonable limits on the raising and spending of money by candidates and others to influence elections.”

Cruz has portrayed the proposed amendment differently, telling the crowd at the Watchmen on the Wall conference that “I’m sorry to tell you, but this year, the United States Senate is going to be voting on a constitutional amendment to repeal the First Amendment.”

“Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) has announced the Senate Democrats are scheduling a vote on a constitutional amendment to give Congress the authority to regulate political speech,” Cruz continued,“because elected officials have decided they don’t like it when the citizenry has the temerity to criticize what they’ve done.”

Chemerinsky noted that the amendment “does nothing of the sort.”

“It gives no authority to the government to ban or limit anyone’s speech,” he wrote.“It does not change in any way the long-standing First Amendment principle that the government cannot restrict speech based on the content of the message or the views expressed. The amendment would do no more than allow the government to regulate spending in election campaigns.”

Cruz’s attempt to portray it otherwise, Chemerinsky wrote, is “intended to scare people into opposing the proposed constitutional amendment.”

“Ted Cruz is a lawyer who had a very distinguished career in government and private practice,” he concluded.“I have debated him on several occasions and know that he is a person of great intelligence. He knows exactly what the proposed amendment would do and yet has chosen to vilify it by misrepresenting it.”
Max

Memphis, TN

#72402 Jul 3, 2014
This man is an unabashed fascist... No one with a modicum of intelligence should listen to anything he says...

*** CORRECTION ***

If his lips move, he's lying!
Jenks

Memphis, TN

#72403 Jul 3, 2014
First and foremost, Ted Cruz knows how stupid and easily manipulated his tea party audience is.
Lea

Memphis, TN

#72404 Jul 3, 2014
Right-Wingers are in love with this self-centered, fraud, and liar.

-- Ted Cruz hates government while working for the same government collecting his pay checks, BEST health care, retirements plan, and so many other benefits, his staff salaries and benefits, this is the easiest way for him to collect contributions from lobbyists and special interest groups.
-- Ted Cruz committed ethics violations in 2012 Senate campaign.
-- Ted Cruz lied during his 21-hour fake filibuster on the Senate floor about John Connelly the student cited by him as proof of Obama's failure, actually the student said on an interview that he was grateful for ACA (Obamacare).
-- Ted Cruz lied about his Budget Standoff and Government Shutdown, because later he admitted it was all about building Fundraising Lists.
-- Ted Cruz lied about caring for American people because he ONLY cares for Rafael Ted Cruz.
-- Ted Cruz broke the law by breaking through the barricades at the WWII Memorial, and disrespecting our President.
MistyGirl

Memphis, TN

#72405 Jul 3, 2014
As near as I can tell Cruz's pants must be in a constant blaze.
Packing Heat

Memphis, TN

#72406 Jul 3, 2014
low info fox and fool viewers will be voting, in droves in nov, based on rethug lies like this. fox and fool viewers, and right wing rellgious nuts are imperious to facts
Dr Jones

Memphis, TN

#72407 Jul 3, 2014
Corporations race into Ginsburg’s ‘minefield’ to claim post-Hobby Lobby religious exemptions
By Travis Gettys
Thursday, July 3, 2014 13:40 EDT
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The 5-4 majority in the Supreme Court’s ruling in the Hobby Lobby case claimed the decision was narrowly focused on closely held corporations that objected to the Affordable Care Act’s contraception mandate on religious grounds.

Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg warned in a scathing, 35-page dissent that her colleagues had “ventured into a minefield” with their ruling, arguing that the majority had invited “for-profit entities to seek religion-based exemptions from regulations they deem offensive to their faith.”

It took only one day to prove her predictions accurate.

The court on Tuesday, the day after its ruling, ordered three appeals courts to reconsider challenges by corporations that objected to providing insurance that covers any contraceptive services – not just the four contraception methods covered in the Hobby Lobby case.

The plaintiffs in all three of those cases are Catholic business owners, including the Michigan-based organic food company Eden Foods.

“I don’t care if the federal government is telling me to buy my employees Jack Daniel’s or birth control,” said Michael Potter, founder of Eden Foods.“What gives them the right to tell me that I have to do that?”

The appeals court that rejected Potter’s motion argued the business owner’s claims more closely resembled “a laissez-faire, anti-government screed” than a religious objection – although the Supreme Court has asked the lower court to reconsider his arguments.

The Supreme Court also declined to review a government petition to overturn lower court rulings that upheld religiously based challenges to all preventative services under the Obamacare mandate.

Should religious beliefs be subject to challenge?

The ruling takes claims of religious scruples for granted, wrote columnist Michael Hiltzik of the Los Angeles Times.

“But how are government agencies or the courts to know when claims of religious piety are just pretexts for some other viewpoint, such as libertarianism or misogyny?” Hiltzik continued.
Dr Jones

Memphis, TN

#72408 Jul 3, 2014
A federal judge in one of those cases reopened by the Supreme Court wrote in her opinion that the sincerity of the plaintiff’s religious beliefs were “unchallenged,” while the theology behind Catholic teachings on contraception were “unchallengeable.”

Hiltzik argued that those religious claims should, however, be subject to challenge.

“Shouldn’t the courts, at the very least, determine if a family-owned company follows its religious precepts consistently?” Hiltzik asked.“If this were the test, by the way, Hobby Lobby itself might fail: its 401(k) plan for employees has invested via its mutual funds in companies that manufacture and distribute precisely those drugs and devices that it objects to providing via its health insurance plan.”

That investment could violate teachings in a Catholic moral manual cited by Hobby Lobby’s own attorneys and noted by Justice Samuel Alito in his opinion to show the contraception mandate placed a “substantial burden” on their religious expression, and therefore violated the Religious Freedom Restoration Act.

Legal argument rebutted by moral theology

Alito cited Father Henry Davis’s 1935 Moral and Pastoral Theology to demonstrate “the circumstances under which it is wrong for a person to perform an act that is innocent in itself but that has the effect of enabling or facilitating the commission of an immoral act by another.”

The conservative Catholic justice concluded the court had no authority to determine whether that burden was substantial or not, and should instead defer to the moral judgment of Hobby Lobby’s owners.

“Yet interpreting statutory language like ‘substantial burden’ is precisely what the Court is supposed to do,” wrote Leslie C. Griffin, a law professor at the University of California, Irvine, and the University of Nevada, Las Vegas.

Ginsburg described the Hobby Lobby ruling as “a decision of startling breadth”— and that might be an understatement.

Already, the Becket Fund, a religious law firm that represented Hobby Lobby, lists 49 pending federal cases involving for-profit companies claiming religious objections to the ACA and another 51 that involve nonprofit organizations.

Critics have said the majority based its ruling on faulty science, arguing that IUDs and emergency contraceptives do not cause abortion – as Hobby Lobby’s owners claimed to justify their religious objection.

Alito ruled that courts had no authority to tell the craft store’s owners “their beliefs are flawed,” although he insisted the ruling offered no similar “shield” to other forms of discrimination.

However, a group of religious leaders on Wednesday asked the Obama administration to exempt them from an executive order barring federal contractors from discriminating against LGBT workers.

Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church in California, signed on to a letter sent by Catholic Charities and other faith-based groups seeking a religious exemption to the order.

“Without a robust religious exemption, like the provisions in the Senate-passed [Employment Non-Discrimination Act], this expansion of hiring rights will come at an unreasonable cost to the common good, national unity and religious freedom,” the faith-based group wrote.
Donnie

Memphis, TN

#72409 Jul 3, 2014
What the hell is happening to our country?

Christians.

It's called going to Hell in a handbasket.
Mark

Memphis, TN

#72410 Jul 3, 2014
Back in 1960 folks were all worried about electing a Catholic president because he might be influenced by the Pope. Turned out it wasn't a problem. But now we have replaced our Supreme Court with a college of cardinals and all the old fears are becoming a reality.
TAMARA

Memphis, TN

#72412 Jul 3, 2014
We now have the worst Congress in the United States history and the worst Supreme Court in United States history.

The nation is in a state of dysfunction. It is the right wing's push to ruin the nation that caused it.

This nation is well and truly screwed because it has been Blessed by the Christian God.

As Christopher Hitchens warned, Religion Poisons EVERYTHING.
Ace

Memphis, TN

#72413 Jul 3, 2014
Unemployment rate falls to near six-year low of 6.1 percent

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