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Oct 16, 2013
 
With all the mess going on at the hospital, it makes me wonder. If they didn't pay the employees' income taxes into the state and federal governments, what will happen in January when these employees file their taxes?
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Oct 17, 2013
 
They will have to pay them out of their own pocket else they go to jail. Didn't teach you much about income tax obligations at OSSM I see.
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Oct 17, 2013
 

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ossmpossm wrote:
With all the mess going on at the hospital, it makes me wonder. If they didn't pay the employees' income taxes into the state and federal governments, what will happen in January when these employees file their taxes?
We will never know because the newspapers (media) will not tell us. The Southeast Times and the McCurtain Daily Gazette could connect the dots, and there are a lot of dots here to connect with very little investigation. They will never connect the dots because they lead in a very straight line to lawyers, bankers, politicians, good old boys and girls here in the county.

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#4
Oct 18, 2013
 
duh wrote:
They will have to pay them out of their own pocket else they go to jail. Didn't teach you much about income tax obligations at OSSM I see.
Actually I was thinking more along the lines of a class action lawsuit by all of the employees.
Bruce Willingham

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Oct 18, 2013
 
Outlaw wrote:
<quoted text>We will never know because the newspapers (media) will not tell us. The Southeast Times and the McCurtain Daily Gazette could connect the dots, and there are a lot of dots here to connect with very little investigation. They will never connect the dots because they lead in a very straight line to lawyers, bankers, politicians, good old boys and girls here in the county.
Sorry, Outlaw, but I must disagree. If you will go back and check, it was our newspaper that first reported, after going back and checking several years of records, that the hospital had lost almost $4 million in the last five years. We reported that even as the management board president was bragging about what a tremendous job the CEO was doing. It was our reporting that spurred county commissioners into a much more active role. They have since been doing a lot of study on their own and are now fully engaged in trying to help turn things around - to the extent they are allowed to by the way the hospital is set up and managed.
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Oct 18, 2013
 
Bruce Willingham wrote:
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Sorry, Outlaw, but I must disagree. If you will go back and check, it was our newspaper that first reported, after going back and checking several years of records, that the hospital had lost almost $4 million in the last five years. We reported that even as the management board president was bragging about what a tremendous job the CEO was doing. It was our reporting that spurred county commissioners into a much more active role. They have since been doing a lot of study on their own and are now fully engaged in trying to help turn things around - to the extent they are allowed to by the way the hospital is set up and managed.
Thanks for what you have reported. Gossip is not news that can be reported as fact and I need to be reminded of that fact. Just wishing for more transparency and I just don't think that will happen. Hope you prove me wrong!
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Oct 20, 2013
 
Who was managing the hospital? Was it a management corporation or an individual hired to run the hospital? From what I understand it has been having trouble for years upon years.
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Oct 21, 2013
 
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Who was managing the hospital? Was it a management corporation or an individual hired to run the hospital? From what I understand it has been having trouble for years upon years.
An individual with either no supervision or possibly a band of merry thieves.....bad all around.
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Oct 22, 2013
 
Disturbed wrote:
<quoted text>An individual with either no supervision or possibly a band of merry thieves.....bad all around.
I would guess "band of thieves"!
rpp

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Oct 22, 2013
 
Sounds like someone didnt pay in the money or it just magically dissapeared??The article i read kept trying to point the finger @ the last ceo messner but guess he would just make a good scapgoat..probably will never learn the truth & they will probably want another tax increase, then same thing will happen again..same ole same ole
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Oct 29, 2013
 

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Sounds like someone didnt pay in the money or it just magically dissapeared??The article i read kept trying to point the finger @ the last ceo messner but guess he would just make a good scapgoat..probably will never learn the truth & they will probably want another tax increase, then same thing will happen again..same ole same ole
Already a cover up and pay off are progressing. If the Idabel Development Authority had not paid the IRS, the IRS would have put a lien on the CEO, CFO, and all those responsible for making sure these employee taxes were paid. Now the taxpayers through the Idabel Development Authority will again pay. I am a little bit tired of paying for other people's greed.
Bruce Willingham

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Oct 29, 2013
 
Outlaw wrote:
<quoted text>Already a cover up and pay off are progressing. If the Idabel Development Authority had not paid the IRS, the IRS would have put a lien on the CEO, CFO, and all those responsible for making sure these employee taxes were paid. Now the taxpayers through the Idabel Development Authority will again pay. I am a little bit tired of paying for other people's greed.
IIDA has sufficient collateral to make the loan. As you will see, the prospects for the hospital become much brighter Jan. 1, no matter who's running it.
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Oct 30, 2013
 
No, the IRS would not have placed liens on individuals. Loaning money to the hospital is in line with the scope of the IUDA. No hospital=no industry. Companies falling behind on payroll taxes is pretty common actually. I think wondering is just obsessed with sending people to jail. Its just not going to happen.
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Oct 30, 2013
 
watching wrote:
No, the IRS would not have placed liens on individuals. Loaning money to the hospital is in line with the scope of the IUDA. No hospital=no industry. Companies falling behind on payroll taxes is pretty common actually. I think wondering is just obsessed with sending people to jail. Its just not going to happen.
IRS WARNS BUSINESSES, INDIVIDUALS TO WATCH FOR QUESTIONABLE EMPLOYMENT TAX PRACTICES April 5, 2004: The Internal Revenue Service issued a consumer alert today for schemes when federal employment taxes are not properly withheld or paid by employers from their employees paychecks. The IRS alert to business owners and other taxpayers follow a string of recent CONVICTIONS and court rulings involving employer tax schemes. "FAILURE TO PAY EMPLOYEE TAXES IS STEALING FROM EMPLOYEES OF THE BUSINESS," said IRS commissioner. "THE IRS PURSUES BUSINESS OWNERS WHO DON'T FOLLOW THE LAW, AND THOSE WHO EMBRACE THESE SCHEMES FACE CIVIL OR CRIMINAL SANCTIONS. "Pyramiding" is the scheme McCurtain Memorial Medical Management was practicing. Withholding was made from the employees check, but this money was spent to pay other liabilities. THE IRS HAS A NUMBER OF CIVIL ACTIONS IT CAN TAKE LIKE FILING TAX LIENS AGAINST PROPERTY OWNED BY THE EMPLOYEES, CEO, CFO, OFFICE MANAGER, RESPONSIBLE FOR PAYING THESE TAXES.
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Oct 30, 2013
 
Nope. The hospital is not owned by anyone. Probably the tax was not paid and the money was used to pay urgent bills. They would have been paid by the end of the year with other revenue coming in. Very common accounting practice. Outlaw, you are just dying to see people in jail. Or maybe see the hospital close down? Things are getting on the right track st the hospital.
Outlaw

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Oct 30, 2013
 
Bruce Willingham wrote:
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IIDA has sufficient collateral to make the loan. As you will see, the prospects for the hospital become much brighter Jan. 1, no matter who's running it.
Bruce, what is this information you have that makes the hospital prospects brighter?
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Oct 30, 2013
 
Besides, the withholding tax is due YEARLY. It may be taken from each pay period, but employers usually pay FICA and the IRS on a quarterly if not yearly basis.
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Oct 30, 2013
 
The moral and team efforts have certainly improved already with new management. I speak as someone who is there frequently. I think not only do the employees in general want to keep their jobs but really want to do a good job and help make the hospital a good facility for the county, economy, and themselves. Seems employees are coming as a team and appreciate the board members who are supportive of their efforts to improve the quality of care and give us time to recover from the last 10 yrs of bad management.
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Oct 30, 2013
 
watching wrote:
Nope. The hospital is not owned by anyone. Probably the tax was not paid and the money was used to pay urgent bills. They would have been paid by the end of the year with other revenue coming in. Very common accounting practice. Outlaw, you are just dying to see people in jail. Or maybe see the hospital close down? Things are getting on the right track st the hospital.
How can a corporation (McCurtain Memorial Medical Management Corp.) or a COUNTY OWNED hospital not be owned by anyone?
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Oct 30, 2013
 

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watching wrote:
Nope. The hospital is not owned by anyone. Probably the tax was not paid and the money was used to pay urgent bills. They would have been paid by the end of the year with other revenue coming in. Very common accounting practice. Outlaw, you are just dying to see people in jail. Or maybe see the hospital close down? Things are getting on the right track st the hospital.
The tax not being paid and used to pay urgent bills is AGAINST THE LAW! The IRS calls this scheme pyramiding and will file civil or criminal charges. Yes I want someone to go to jail. Someone other than your average joe or jill working hard everyday and suddenly life throws them a curve and they end up in jail. So next time some average citizen does something illegal lets see if Idabel Development Authority will buy them out!

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