Transgender bill stokes fears

[Annaleigh]

Katherine wrote:

<quoted text> Please remember I have not said people are selfish for being who they are- gay, lesbian, transgender- I said I believe it is selfish only to teach false meanings of words. By definition a woman cannot be an Uncle.
Wow, interest in my reincarnation theory...Yea!!
I am a woman, I believe I hold spirit(s) that were previously(before I was born) in these 8 male bodies:
Jesus, A. Hitler, Jim Morrison, Yukikazu Sakurazawa, Gutzon Borglum, Thomas Allen, Fyodor Dostoevsky, M. Gandhi..
I believe gay, lesbian, transgender people, attract both male/female spirits.. I believe most people are living in unconscious states while awake and therefore unable to hold and nurture the spirits that are attracted to them.
Also because historically women have been kept in positions of obscurity and submission by males, because of gender stereotypes and because men do not want to share power with women, heterosexual men do not admit to holding and do not nurture the spirits that are attracted to them.

Here is my thought.. And a very simplified view.
First of all we are spirit not the physical body. Our spirit enters this body at the one point during the creation of the physical body. Our spirit will leave our body at one point.
Our spirit is capable of leaving our bodies but there must be a connection kept or the body would die.(but this part is a different discussion)

Being purely in the spirit world, we are limited as to our understanding of many things, if we stayed solely in the spirit world, limited as to how we learn and the rate at which we learn.

Just as in the physical world we are limited to these same things…

Both in spirit world and in physical world we have an ego that plays a huge part in the making of who we are. In spirit we control this Ego much better or in a different way due to our vast experiences and understandings. In the physical world our Ego drives us in most everything we do because we have no understanding of it or the results, It is a very powerful tool in our learning…

What better school then for the spirit to come to this place in the physical, without clear knowledge of what we truly are, without knowing the vast knowledge we know in the awakened spirit, and live a life in the physical such as we do.

Since we are in a trans thread I will try to relate it in this way…(one could use which ever example they are here to understand)

But what if I wanted to understand compassion and hatred. What if I chose to come here to this place and live in the physical world at this time as transgender.

What I experience in this life I would take with me back to the spirit world when I leave this body. Back in the spirit world I would have much greater understanding of compassion and the results of hate. An understanding that I could not have gained solely in spirit..

It is my believe that we are here to learn.

It is documented through cultural stories and through science that human societies in small groups as well as human society as a whole has been destroyed here on earth several times and started over again. Each time a small handful of people have survived to start over. Each time another beginning season is recorded..

According to many and according to the condition of the earth due to mans destructive ways, perhaps we are getting close to the end of this school season?

[Wolfgang E B]

Katherine wrote:

..."Uncle Sarah" -by definition a woman cannot be an Uncle- that to me, the reasons for doing so seem selfish-...

Language is a living thing, continuously evolving. "Gay" once meant "happy," but now it is used almost exclusively in reference to a homosexually oriented person.

As women have gained greater equality with men, the need for rigidly gendered titles in our language has lessened. This Uncle Sarah may not see herself or himself as exclusively one gender or the other--perhaps somewhere in between, or a combination of both, or neither. Or she could be a radical feminist who has merely chosen to claim the power that a male title holds in a society that is still dominated by men.

[Annaleigh]

Wolfgang E B wrote:

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Or she could be a radical feminist who has merely chosen to claim the power that a male title holds in a society that is still dominated by men.

Women have always held great power within American Indian peoples.
Here is a list of a few of them,,
Bowdash, Kootenai two-spirit warrior
Chrystos (born 1946), Menominee two-spirit poet
Rebecca Cummings (born 1970), part Osage LGBT rights activist
Shana Cozad (born 1971), Kiowa Tribe of Oklahoma HIV/AIDS Activist and Noted Public Speaker
Kinipai, Navajo two-spirit
Sahaykwisa, Mohave two-spirit
Alice Brown Davis (1852–1935), chief of the Seminoles
Dahteste, Apache fighter and compatriot to Geronimo
Sally Ainse, Oneida fur trader, land owner, and diplomat
Queen Alliquippa (died 1754), Seneca nation leader
Queen Anne (c. 1650–c. 1725), chief of the Pamunkey tribe
Awashonks, chief of the Sakonett tribe
Geri Small, former president of the Northern Cheyenne Indian Reservation
Pauline Small (1924–2005), first female leader of the Crow Nation
Tacumwah (c. 1720 – c. 1790), chief of the Miami tribe and businesswoman
Nancy Ward (c. 1738 – 1822 or 1824), Cherokee leader
Weetamoo (c. 1635 – 1676), Wampanoag chief
Wenona, woman chief of the Crow
Alma Ransom, former chief of the St. Regis Mohawks
Charlotte Hallmark, chief of the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama
Robbie Hedges, first elected woman chief of the Peoria tribe
Wilma Mankiller (born 1945), first female Principal Chief of the Cherokee Nation
Catherine Montour (1710–1804), Seneca leader
G. Anne Richardson, chief of the Rappahannock tribe
Toby Riddle (1848–1920), Modoc interpreter and diplomat
Running Eagle, Blackfoot war chief
Cecilia Fire Thunder (born 1946), former president of the Oglala Sioux in South Dakota
Glory of the Morning (born 1709), Ho-Chunk chief
Mary Musgrove, Creek interpreter, trader, and political leader
Susan La Flesche Picotte (1865–1915), first female Native American physician, Omaha tribe
Ruth Muskrat Bronson, Cherokee specialist in American Indian affairs and former executive secretary of the National Congress of American Indians
Minnie Spotted-Wolf, first female Native American Marine
Pine Leaf, Crow warrior
Pohaha, Tewa warrior and kachina
Gouyen, Apache warrior
Minnie Hollow Wood, Sioux woman who fought at the Battle of Little Big Horn
One Who Walks With the Stars, a fighter in the Battle of Little Bighorn
The Other Magpie, Crow fighter at the Battle of the Rosebud
Kuiliy, Pend d'Oreille warrior
Lozen, warrior, spiritual leader, and compatriot to Geronimo
Hate Woman, Blackfoot warrior
Moving Robe Woman, a Hunkpapa Sioux fighter in the Battle of Little Bighorn
Hanging Cloud, Ojibwa warrior
Yvonne Kauger (born 1937), Cheyenne/Arapaho Oklahoma Supreme Court justice
Emma Baker, Mohegan elder and medicine woman
Claudine Bates-Arthur, Chief Justice of the Navajo supreme court
Gloria Benedict, Six Nations Mohawk Medicine Woman
Eagle of Delight (died 1822), Otoe tribe emissary
Chief Earth Woman, Ojibwa warrior
Ehyophsta, Cheyenne warrior
Mary Brant, Mohawk leader
Joyce Dugan, first female elected chief of the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians
Ada Deer, Menominee author, activist, and the first Native American woman to head the Bureau of Indian Affairs
Lyda Conley (born 1874-1946)(Elizabeth Burton Zane Conley) First Native American female attorney, and first Native American woman admitted to argue a case before the U.S. Supreme Court. Wyandot Nation activist and attorney
Mildred Cleghorn (1910–1997), former Chairwoman of the Fort Sill Apache Tribe of Oklahoma
Delphine Red Shirt, Oglala writer and chair of Nongovernmental Organization Committee on the International Decade of the World's Indigenous Peoples at the United Nations

[Ms Tara]

Katherine wrote:

<quoted text><quoted text> Well, I think having to cover ourselves at the beach while men walk the world over shirt-free is something that should be addressed. I have written extensively on the page and links I directed you to here, so I won't repeat myself, except to say for me it is a predominant issue. Being required by Law to wear a top at the beach doesn't drop me into a horrible depression but it does make me mad on a daily basis..

I certainly wouldn't deny you your cause and I hope you make headway in furthering that cause.

Addressing gender roles and gender stereotypes are a large part of the transgendered community. Our community is quite aware of disparities between the genders and support causes that bring about gender equality.

You may enjoy reading from the following sites. the first of which, I was lead onto by one of my transgendered sisters, Roxanne.(Thanks Roxy!)

http://www.ontheissuesmagazine.com

http://www.feministe.us/blog/

[Katherine]

Ms Tara wrote:

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I certainly wouldn't deny you your cause and I hope you make headway in furthering that cause.
Addressing gender roles and gender stereotypes are a large part of the transgendered community. Our community is quite aware of disparities between the genders and support causes that bring about gender equality.
You may enjoy reading from the following sites. the first of which, I was lead onto by one of my transgendered sisters, Roxanne.(Thanks Roxy!)
http://www.ontheissuesmagazine.com
http://www.feministe.us/blog/

Thanks to you who responded to me kindly, Wolfgang EB, Annaleigh, Ms Tara, it means alot to be able to contribute to controvercial topics and return to see respectful replies..
I will sleep well tonight...