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LIPA's solution: use less, pay less

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#21
May 5, 2008
 
All I know is....If you currently do not use enough power, they hit you with a surcharge. So what incentive do I have to save energy if I'm just going to be charged anyway ???
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#22
May 5, 2008
 
So if I understand this correctly, I will pay more now so this pilot project will allow businesses in the Hauppauge Industrial Park to manage their electric use and pay less. Is that it?
While smart grid projects are good ideas for the country to address carbon and power issues, I don't think it's fair to characterize these as money saving for consumers. By charging me for the smart grid initiative and still raising the fuel surcharge, with no end in sight, the truth is that while I might use less electric, I will never pay less. Nobody in this current environment is ever going to pay less for electricity until they move to a part of the country that has 'normal' rates. LI is saddled with paying for Shoreham. LI uses quite a bit of oil as a generation fuel. The immediate future promises legislation to tax utilities for their production of CO2. The likelihood is that each of us will pay 30% more for electricity in the near future, not less. Why the game? Why not involve rate payers in an honest dialogue about the realities of the situation? The 'selling' of this lie will just further undermine confidence in our utility and in our governmental representation.
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#23
May 5, 2008
 
The program, as designed, should be named BOHICALI.

As in:

Bend Over, Here It Comes Again, Long Island

No effin way!
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#24
May 5, 2008
 
does anyone remember when LILCO back in the '70s had a simular plan?? use less and save?? it worked for a while until they found out that there wasn't enough money comming in to them. what did they do?? you got it. RAISED THE RATES!!!! glad i moved, enjoy SUCKERS!!!
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#25
May 9, 2008
 
Watch out, New York! You are about to join the rest of the City and all of New York State, as victims of yet another flagrant moneymaking scheme for LIPA, and all the other investor-owned electric utilities in the State.

In 1992, LIPA instituted a program of “mandatory” time of use meters for the customers who were using large amounts of electricity during the months of June through September, as did the other six large NYS Utilities.
The usual rate per kilowatt hour was around 13-14 cents in the Summer months, including taxes. The new time of use rate, from the hours of ten in the morning till six at night, was 38.50 cents per kilowatt hour BEFORE taxes. Figure somewhere around 50 cents a kilowatt hour.
Everyone agreed that not only had the program not shown any energy savings, but people were being hurt financially, and big time, at that. Senator Padavan and Assemblyman Weprin wrote legislation to prevent the Public Service Commission from ever being able to institute a “mandatory” time of use program. basis. This legislation was passed in 1997.
Now, quietly, and secretly, while LIPA et al, are planning on putting these meters in “every” home. They have already managed, just last month, to get Senator Maziarz, from Upstate New York, to introduce legislation in the Senate (Bill # 7445) to allow the Public Service Commission, once more, to institute “Time of Use” metering if it feels it is in the “public good”. I have been informed that as I write, the bil is being introduced in the Assembly, as well. If the Utilities were not getting ready to implement Time of Use metering, there would be NO use for this legislation.
It was already shown in 1996, that it was NOT in the public good, and the drive to conserve energy, prevent blackouts, to be a responsible electric consumer, was the battle cry then, just as it is now. Despite that, the NYS Senate and the NYS Assembly voted to eliminate the clause from the Public Service Law which allows the mandate of these meters, after seeing the evidence.
Meanwhile, the Utilities are claiming these are NOT Time of Use Meters.
There would be no need to add the mandate back into the Law if LIPA was not planning on socking it to us with very high rates during peak and slightly off-peak hours. Judging from the history of this Time of Use Program - the failure of actual savings, and the cost to the consumer, the rates charged will be astronomical, and this time, EVERY homeowner and renter will be affected, not just the so-called “energy hogs”, as well as all the places which offer much-needed programs for the very young, and the elderly.
This is simply the back door approach to reinstating a program which is a money maker for Con Edison and the other six wealthy investor-owned Utilities. Don’t believe the hype you see in Press Releases. It is as much of a fraud as it was over ten years ago, when they said this was a program to save people money while conserving energy. Con Edison is not interested in having you save money; they want to make as much off you as possible. While obviously, there is a push to conserve energy, this program is not the answer. It has never worked, and it has been documented that it does not work. Simply more money for the stockholders.
Contact your Legislators, your Civic Groups, anyone you can think of, and insist that this Bill be killed. No one wanted it ten years ago, and no one is going to want it now, but once they put that meter in your home, you have no recourse. There is, of course, the very subtle issue of “Big Brother” here, since Con Edison et al. will be able to monitor your usage remotely, and know exactly how much electrical usage is taking place in your home, and when.
We will be contacting as many Legislators as possible, the Media, Civic Groups, Consumer groups, and the Consumer Protection Board in order to fight this highly detrimental program. We already know how people are hurt by it. We have seen it, and it has been documented.
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May 10, 2008
 
LeslieW wrote:
Watch out, New York! You are about to join the rest of the City and all of New York State, as victims of yet another flagrant moneymaking scheme for LIPA, and all the other investor-owned electric utilities in the State.
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We will be contacting as many Legislators as possible, the Media, Civic Groups, Consumer groups, and the Consumer Protection Board in order to fight this highly detrimental program. We already know how people are hurt by it. We have seen it, and it has been documented.
Devious, pathological, mendacious scheming scum!
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